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[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
You all are acting like the Mod accounts are the only thing that has changed here.
Does anyone remember when Evadman was fired form his job because of what he posted here and someone sent a link to his employer?
The Mods take on an increased responsibility that the regular members don't have. The Mods are open to attack because of their actions here. If they feel they need another layer between the forums and their personal lives because of that increased responsibility, we as a group have decided that is fine. That is our job and we take it seriously.
If there are complaints against Mod, they will be handled by us as a group. We fully expect to be attacked and harassed by the members here. Personally, I voted to stay clocked but HQ wanted the identities revealed. We are not going to throw away a good Mod because they needed the separation for whatever reason they saw fit.
This hasn't even had a chance to set in, it will be fine. If not, we will deal with it.

Um...

You really don't see this as a problem?

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
You all are acting like the Mod accounts are the only thing that has changed here.
Does anyone remember when Evadman was fired form his job because of what he posted here and someone sent a link to his employer?
The Mods take on an increased responsibility that the regular members don't have. The Mods are open to attack because of their actions here. If they feel they need another layer between the forums and their personal lives because of that increased responsibility, we as a group have decided that is fine. That is our job and we take it seriously.
If there are complaints against Mod, they will be handled by us as a group. We fully expect to be attacked and harassed by the members here. Personally, I voted to stay clocked but HQ wanted the identities revealed. We are not going to throw away a good Mod because they needed the separation for whatever reason they saw fit.
This hasn't even had a chance to set in, it will be fine. If not, we will deal with it.

Does anyone remember when a Mod, posting under his own username, told me that I should be on my knees, "doing what I do best"? Where were the other moderators then, standing up for what's best for the forum?

And we're just supposed to forget that, and trust you as a group now? That's a bit much to ask, IMHO.

 

[iRONic]

It's quite simple;

The new "AnandTech Forum Guidelines" are spelled out in black and white. The fact that there are multiple-aliased moderators renders these guidelines useless at best, a sham at worst.

 

[Kaervak]

Originally posted by: waggy
it really does not matter. this sham is not going to rebuild trust. i feel it will do more to hurt it.

Agreed. "We want the members to know we're on their side, so here's everyone that's a moderator. Well, almost everyone, some didn't want to be known so we created new accounts for them so they can stay anonymous." Honestly, why even bother making the identities known when a few are still anonymous, does nothing to build trust, only cause suspicion.

 

[Fourier Transform]

From my experience, it is the uncommon for forum moderators to be hidden under the cloak of a moderator account and I found that fairly surprising to see that here. However, I'm glad to see that people can finally be held accountable for their actions. Hopefully now the rules will apply equally across the board. It is evident that some members can get away with more than others can but I hope to see that change with this news.

+1 for having some clear cut rules that can be referenced as opposed to knowing the 'unwritten' ones. Things can be resolved MUCH more quickly and efficiently this way. If a member complains about something, the mod can refer them back to the rules and vice versa.


As far as Common Courtesy and the other anonymous moderators go, I believe it goes against the spirit of revealing the identity of moderators. Having one rule that applies to everyone seems to work best. Either have all moderators known or none at all. I have no doubts that Common Courtesy and the other un-named mods are outstanding members (which is why they were invited to become moderators in the first place), but they should be subject to the same rules that other moderators and members are subject to. Perhaps this may be brushed off as "Give them an inch and they'll ask for a mile" but this is just my view on the matter.

In any event, I'm glad to see that AT is evolving and hopefully for the better.

 

[Skacer]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
You all are acting like the Mod accounts are the only thing that has changed here.
Does anyone remember when Evadman was fired form his job because of what he posted here and someone sent a link to his employer?
The Mods take on an increased responsibility that the regular members don't have. The Mods are open to attack because of their actions here. If they feel they need another layer between the forums and their personal lives because of that increased responsibility, we as a group have decided that is fine. That is our job and we take it seriously.
If there are complaints against Mod, they will be handled by us as a group. We fully expect to be attacked and harassed by the members here. Personally, I voted to stay clocked but HQ wanted the identities revealed. We are not going to throw away a good Mod because they needed the separation for whatever reason they saw fit.
This hasn't even had a chance to set in, it will be fine. If not, we will deal with it.

You might not throw away a good mod, and that may even be the right decision, but it won't improve the trust that the guidelines seem to state as the goal of all this. You also may not find other good mods that are hiding out there amongst the user community while you stick by one with a possible conflict of interest.

Like I said originally, you guys can choose whichever path you decide to go down, I can't force anything, but it sticks out like a sore thumb and trivializes this entire effort. So why even bother doing it at all? If this one moderator is ok having a second account to post in. What is stopping another moderator from creating a new account to post with? In other words, most now know that you, Oldsmoboat, are a moderator, but if it's ok to start new accounts, you might also be xSephirothx the dude that joined in 2007 who keeps posting ridiculous YAGT stories. And once you realize this, you can read Pliablemooses' post and laugh.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: sixone
Does anyone remember when a Mod, posting under his own username, told me that I should be on my knees, "doing what I do best"? Where were the other moderators then, standing up for what's best for the forum?

And we're just supposed to forget that, and trust you as a group now? That's a bit much to ask, IMHO.

No shit? That would get a normal member perma'd.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Kaervak

Originally posted by: waggy
it really does not matter. this sham is not going to rebuild trust. i feel it will do more to hurt it.

Agreed. "We want the members to know we're on their side, so here's everyone that's a moderator. Well, almost everyone, some didn't want to be known so we created new accounts for them so they can stay anonymous." Honestly, why even bother making the identities known when a few are still anonymous, does nothing to build trust, only cause suspicion.

yeap. sadly i have a feeling it will end like "change of culture" thread. mass banning and nothing changed.

 

[iamwiz82]

What a bunch of drama queens we have here.

How is this going to affect your posting habits or your overall forum experience? Why get all bothered that some chose to remain hidden?

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: Skacer

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
You all are acting like the Mod accounts are the only thing that has changed here.
Does anyone remember when Evadman was fired form his job because of what he posted here and someone sent a link to his employer?
The Mods take on an increased responsibility that the regular members don't have. The Mods are open to attack because of their actions here. If they feel they need another layer between the forums and their personal lives because of that increased responsibility, we as a group have decided that is fine. That is our job and we take it seriously.
If there are complaints against Mod, they will be handled by us as a group. We fully expect to be attacked and harassed by the members here. Personally, I voted to stay clocked but HQ wanted the identities revealed. We are not going to throw away a good Mod because they needed the separation for whatever reason they saw fit.
This hasn't even had a chance to set in, it will be fine. If not, we will deal with it.

You might not throw away a good mod, and that may even be the right decision, but it won't improve the trust that the guidelines seem to state as the goal of all this. You also may not find other good mods that are hiding out there amongst the user community while you stick by one with a possible conflict of interest.

Like I said originally, you guys can choose whichever path you decide to go down, I can't force anything, but it sticks out like a sore thumb and trivializes this entire effort. So why even bother doing it at all? If this one moderator is ok having a second account to post in. What is stopping another moderator from creating a new account to post with? In other words, most now know that you, Oldsmoboat, are a moderator, but if it's ok to start new accounts, you might also be xSephirothx the dude that joined in 2007 who keeps posting ridiculous YAGT stories. And once you realize this, you can read Pliablemooses' post and laugh.

Great post. Certain rules should apply to everyone, specifically the rule limiting accounts to one per person.

 

[iRONic]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
What a bunch of drama queens we have here.

How is this going to affect your posting habits or your overall forum experience? Why get all bothered that some chose to remain hidden?

Why even bother to post new "AnandTech Forum Guidelines" when they are contradictory? Is it that hard to understand?

 

[aircooled]

Did Sundog step down?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
What a bunch of drama queens we have here.

How is this going to affect your posting habits or your overall forum experience? Why get all bothered that some chose to remain hidden?

the idea behind the new change was to improve the trust etc. when many feel it is going to do the oppisot.

will it change my posting habits? hell no. if one of hte mods post a stupid argument i will say its a stupid argument (now that i know they are a mod).

 

[markgm]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
What a bunch of drama queens we have here.

How is this going to affect your posting habits or your overall forum experience? Why get all bothered that some chose to remain hidden?

I think from the other posts above, a few of us feel like it defeats the whole purpose of naming the mods. I don't think anyone is saying it is going to change our ability to post or our forum experience, just that it's a bit hypocritical that some users are allowed multiple accounts.

Even if it's not a conflict of interest, it can create the appearance of a conflict of interest to an outsider. But as others have mentioned, no one ever said AT was a democracy. That said, I kind of liked hidden moderator accounts, though it is kind of funny to read some old posts and see what mods posted as users in forums such as forum issues.

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: sixone
Does anyone remember when a Mod, posting under his own username, told me that I should be on my knees, "doing what I do best"? Where were the other moderators then, standing up for what's best for the forum?

And we're just supposed to forget that, and trust you as a group now? That's a bit much to ask, IMHO.

No shit? That would get a normal member perma'd.

Sorry, I misquoted it. The comment was that "the only time you should have your mouth open is when you're on your knees in front of me."

My mistake.

 

[Fourier Transform]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: sixone
Does anyone remember when a Mod, posting under his own username, told me that I should be on my knees, "doing what I do best"? Where were the other moderators then, standing up for what's best for the forum?

And we're just supposed to forget that, and trust you as a group now? That's a bit much to ask, IMHO.

No shit? That would get a normal member perma'd.

Sorry, I misquoted it. The comment was that "the only time you should have your mouth open is when you're on your knees in front of me."

My mistake.

Link to the Mod comment?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
What a bunch of drama queens we have here.

How is this going to affect your posting habits or your overall forum experience? Why get all bothered that some chose to remain hidden?

the idea behind the new change was to improve the trust etc. when many feel it is going to do the oppisot.

will it change my posting habits? hell no. if one of hte mods post a stupid argument i will say its a stupid argument (now that i know they are a mod).

Trust is a two way street.

Common Courtesy stated there are some members of AT that did not act proper related to business decisions

We have all seen how some members react to some Moderator decisions that they do not like.

He may feel that to expose the business as a Moderator is tossing gasoline on the fire.

If people have a complaint with the way he moderates; then take it up with the Mods and let them decide.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: sixone
Does anyone remember when a Mod, posting under his own username, told me that I should be on my knees, "doing what I do best"? Where were the other moderators then, standing up for what's best for the forum?

And we're just supposed to forget that, and trust you as a group now? That's a bit much to ask, IMHO.

No shit? That would get a normal member perma'd.

Sorry, I misquoted it. The comment was that "the only time you should have your mouth open is when you're on your knees in front of me."

My mistake.

Wow. That's fucked up. There is no excuse for a comment like that.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: sixone
Does anyone remember when a Mod, posting under his own username, told me that I should be on my knees, "doing what I do best"? Where were the other moderators then, standing up for what's best for the forum?

And we're just supposed to forget that, and trust you as a group now? That's a bit much to ask, IMHO.

No shit? That would get a normal member perma'd.

Sorry, I misquoted it. The comment was that "the only time you should have your mouth open is when you're on your knees in front of me."

My mistake.

You guys are in for a shock if you think we are supposed to change our posting habits as regular members because of this change.
As oldsmoboat, I'll still call that jihad guy a tard.
As a Mod, I'll roll my eyes and move his thread.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: sixone
Does anyone remember when a Mod, posting under his own username, told me that I should be on my knees, "doing what I do best"? Where were the other moderators then, standing up for what's best for the forum?

And we're just supposed to forget that, and trust you as a group now? That's a bit much to ask, IMHO.

No shit? That would get a normal member perma'd.

Sorry, I misquoted it. The comment was that "the only time you should have your mouth open is when you're on your knees in front of me."

My mistake.

Wow. That's fucked up. There is no excuse for a comment like that.

Yea, they should be quatered.

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: Fourier Transform

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: sixone
Does anyone remember when a Mod, posting under his own username, told me that I should be on my knees, "doing what I do best"? Where were the other moderators then, standing up for what's best for the forum?

And we're just supposed to forget that, and trust you as a group now? That's a bit much to ask, IMHO.

No shit? That would get a normal member perma'd.

Sorry, I misquoted it. The comment was that "the only time you should have your mouth open is when you're on your knees in front of me."

My mistake.

Link to the Mod comment?

He edited it out, after several hours.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
What a bunch of drama queens we have here.

How is this going to affect your posting habits or your overall forum experience? Why get all bothered that some chose to remain hidden?

the idea behind the new change was to improve the trust etc. when many feel it is going to do the oppisot.

will it change my posting habits? hell no. if one of hte mods post a stupid argument i will say its a stupid argument (now that i know they are a mod).

Trust is a two way street.

Common Courtesy stated there are some members of AT that did not act proper related to business decisions

We have all seen how some members react to some Moderator decisions that they do not like.

He may feel that to expose the business as a Moderator is tossing gasoline on the fire.

If people have a complaint with the way he moderates; then take it up with the Mods and let them decide.

I agree trust is a 2 way street. right now its not flowing that way. This is not going to help it.

IF someone is messing with his business because he is a mod and banne dhim then a few thing sshould happen. one the people should be banned. 2nd he should not be a mod. if its going to cause trouble and mistrust then something needs to change.

Only time i have had trouble with the mods (from waht i can remeber heh) is with the "change of colture" thread a while ago. otherwise they have been great. maybe nto always fair or consistant at times..

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: sixone
Does anyone remember when a Mod, posting under his own username, told me that I should be on my knees, "doing what I do best"? Where were the other moderators then, standing up for what's best for the forum?

And we're just supposed to forget that, and trust you as a group now? That's a bit much to ask, IMHO.

No shit? That would get a normal member perma'd.

Sorry, I misquoted it. The comment was that "the only time you should have your mouth open is when you're on your knees in front of me."

My mistake.

You guys are in for a shock if you think we are supposed to change our posting habits as regular members because of this change.
As oldsmoboat, I'll still call that jihad guy a tard.
As a Mod, I'll roll my eyes and move his thread.

No, but you need to change your posting habits to a level that is acceptable for a common, non-moderator member. Posting what that mod posted would get anyone else instantly perma-banned. Mods shouldn't be allowed to say such filth; it is sexual harassment, plain and simple.

That mod needs to be called out, demoted, and banned.

 

[manowar821]

I agree, the secondary account thing is pretty rediculous. Also, am I wrong to believe that the mods don't actually own this forum? That means they don't make the rules, they only enforce them. The rule making is the administrators right, correct?

Now if the admins are also mods, and those are the ones making secondary accounts, that's a different beast entirely (and still a slightly frustrating one).

Also, sixone, that's a disturbing story. I hope he got his ass perma-banned, hard. But there isn't much of a way for us to know, for sure, right?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: sixone
Does anyone remember when a Mod, posting under his own username, told me that I should be on my knees, "doing what I do best"? Where were the other moderators then, standing up for what's best for the forum?

And we're just supposed to forget that, and trust you as a group now? That's a bit much to ask, IMHO.

No shit? That would get a normal member perma'd.

Sorry, I misquoted it. The comment was that "the only time you should have your mouth open is when you're on your knees in front of me."

My mistake.

You guys are in for a shock if you think we are supposed to change our posting habits as regular members because of this change.
As oldsmoboat, I'll still call that jihad guy a tard.
As a Mod, I'll roll my eyes and move his thread.

I don't believe that's her point. I believe her point is that the Mod in question may have received special treatment for being a mod.

Either way, I don't care anymore. At one time I did, but that was my fault for being naive. The forums are what they are and it's doubtful these new guidelines are going to change anything.