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halik

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Requiring community service is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I also seriously doubt that most people can spare 100 hours for community service while in college. Obama is just not in reality on this one. He majored in Political Science so perhaps he thinks all college experiences are like his, but some people major in something that requires hard work where the loss of 100 hours is a serious issue.

Bingo! Same goes for his economic policies - it's always the people that never had to work for real that have no problems redistribution money. I did double BS in 2 top-10 programs in 4 years while working to pay for my housing/car/phone/*... I did not have time for 100hr lib circle jerks.
 

TallBill

Lifer
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Originally posted by: 43st
Originally posted by: charrison
The assault weapons ban only banned mean looking semi automatic rifles. Functonaly not much different than any hunting rifle.

Full auto weapons always have legislation that controls them that was passed in the 1930s.

So the goal is to get the real assault weapons, from this original ban, back on the streets? That's the party platform in other words? I think they have that in Somalia.

Actually, it'd still be illegal to have loaded firearms in public unless with a concealed carry card which would have certain restrictions.

You clearly still don't have a fucking clue about what a semi-automatic rifle is. They are legal right now in various forms with few restrictions.
 

charrison

Lifer
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Originally posted by: 43st
Originally posted by: ehhhh
I have no problem with requiring high school and college students to do community service if they need government assistance for tuition. Nothing wrong with that. But I do have a problem with it if they get nothing for it.

Yeah, it's been mentioned before. $4000 tax credit per 100 hours per year.


$40/hour for volunteering...sounds a bit much...
 

ehhhh

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Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: ehhhh
I have no problem with requiring high school and college students to do community service if they need government assistance for tuition. Nothing wrong with that. But I do have a problem with it if they get nothing for it.

Maybe for free money, right now I pay interest on my federal grad school loans and I don't have time for hippie fantasies.


I should have said it's a good idea for those who receive pell/tap grants ( not loans). 100 hours a year isn't bad. Get their asses off the computer and do some good.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: jpeyton

2012 is going to be extremely tough for the GOP. Obama will start with his already impressive Electoral College win in 2008, a campaign machine that was light years ahead of McCain and will only get stronger with 4 years at the top, and the GOP won't be able to use Wright, Ayers or Khalidi again.

The GOP doesn't win campaigns when they're reduced to talking about the issues.

If Obama does such fucking great job that he dominates again in 2012, then I don't see anyone rational would have a problem with it. If he doesn't do so great, then we'll have a heated race. Simple as that. Arguing about is is pointless.
 

charrison

Lifer
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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: charrison

The assault weapons ban only banned mean looking semi automatic rifles. Functonaly not much different than any hunting rifle.

Full auto weapons always have legislation that controls them that was passed in the 1930s.

I'm fully aware of the 1934 and 1986 National Firearm Acts. The last assault weapons ban reduced national deaths by zero. Typically fully automatic weapons are no more dangerous then the same version of the weapon in semi automatic. If you don't believe me, find a trained shooter.

Another Brady Bill would be just to inspire people, when the lawmakers know full well that they are passing total crap.

I was not disagreeing with you. That ban was very pointless.
 

halik

Lifer
Oct 10, 2000
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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Landslide, here we come.
Indeed; I think Obama tops 375 EV in 2012 after he flips GA and MO. Maybe a cherry on top if he flips MT, too.

Ya right,
despite your libby delusions, people will not support a candidate that's making them do community service for the "greater good". It's eerily similar to all the mandatory things I had to do as a kid, growing up behind the iron curtain. You'll see push for change of his vision of "change".

How about we make "Change Parades" every November 4 to commemorate the election of our great, benevolent leader? Sheesh :roll:
2012 is going to be extremely tough for the GOP. Obama will start with his already impressive Electoral College win in 2008, a campaign machine that was light years ahead of McCain and will only get stronger with 4 years at the top, and the GOP won't be able to use Wright, Ayers or Khalidi again.

The GOP doesn't win campaigns when they're reduced to talking about the issues.

It will depend what's gonna happen - if Obama actually tries to implement policies like the community services debacle, I wouldn't even bother moving to the white house.

He has the potential to be well liked and implement sounds policy much like Bill Clinton (e.g. Wellfare reform) and if that's the case, he'll be around for 8 years.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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While I know it's not my finest hour, so far I'm really enjoying the flailing, pathetic boasting, and frothy anger from the right so far. It's only been two days and Ocguy is already going nuts. He's not even sure why, but a random website has him dreaming of a return to Republican dominance. If that's not pathetic, I don't know what is.

Keep it up guys! You are just making it all the sweeter for those of us who helped throw the right out of power.
 

bob4432

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i know the gun show/awb stuff was in writing as of 08/13/08, but hadn't heard the other info.....

Renewing America's Promise

i like this one too (page 56-57) -

Voting Rights Voting rights are fundamental rights because they are protective of all other rights. We will work to fully protect and enforce the fundamental Constitutional right of every American vote?to ensure that the Constitution?s promise is fully realized. We will fully fund the Help America Vote Act and work to fulfill the promise of election reform, including fighting to end long lines at voting booths and ensuring that all registration materials, voting materials, polling places, and voting machines are truly accessible to seniors, Americans with disabilities, and citizens with limited English proficiency. We will call for a national standard for voting that includes voterverified paper ballots. We will ensure that absentee ballots are accessible and accurately counted. We will vigorously enforce our voting rights laws instead of making them tools of partisan political agendas; we oppose laws that require identification in order to vote or register to vote, which create discriminatory barriers to the right to vote and disenfranchise many eligible voters; and we oppose tactics which purge eligible voters from voter rolls. We are committed to passing the Count Every Vote Act. Finally, we will enact legislation that establishes harsh penalties for those who engage in voter intimidation and creates a process for providing accurate information to misinformed voters so they can cast their votes in time.
 

OCGuy

Lifer
Jul 12, 2000
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Originally posted by: eskimospy
While I know it's not my finest hour, so far I'm really enjoying the flailing, pathetic boasting, and frothy anger from the right so far. It's only been two days and Ocguy is already going nuts. He's not even sure why, but a random website has him dreaming of a return to Republican dominance. If that's not pathetic, I don't know what is.

Keep it up guys! You are just making it all the sweeter for those of us who helped throw the right out of power.

This article should help brighten up your night even more ;)
 

charrison

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: eskimospy
While I know it's not my finest hour, so far I'm really enjoying the flailing, pathetic boasting, and frothy anger from the right so far. It's only been two days and Ocguy is already going nuts. He's not even sure why, but a random website has him dreaming of a return to Republican dominance. If that's not pathetic, I don't know what is.

Keep it up guys! You are just making it all the sweeter for those of us who helped throw the right out of power.


Just consider it a warning. If he goes to far left he will lose starting 2010. Same thing happened to clinton in 94. He went to far left and got correct by congressional loses. Does this mean it will happen again, no but it is defiantly a warning that should be listened too.
 

TallBill

Lifer
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Originally posted by: charrison
I was not disagreeing with you. That ban was very pointless.

Yeah, just backing it up a bit.

If no ID is required to vote, what keeps people from registering 50 times under fake names in different counties?

 

Balt

Lifer
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Originally posted by: ehhhh
I have no problem with requiring high school and college students to do community service if they need government assistance for tuition. Nothing wrong with that. But I do have a problem with it if they get nothing for it.

I agree with this.
 

charrison

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: charrison
I was not disagreeing with you. That ban was very pointless.

Yeah, just backing it up a bit.

If no ID is required to vote, what keeps people from registering 50 times under fake names in different counties?

Not a thing. Just make the state IDs free, if people think paying for a id is too high of barrier. I am willing to give out free IDs in exchange for honest elections.
 

halik

Lifer
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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: charrison
I was not disagreeing with you. That ban was very pointless.

Yeah, just backing it up a bit.

If no ID is required to vote, what keeps people from registering 50 times under fake names in different counties?

Not a thing. Just make the state IDs free, if people think paying for a id is too high of barrier. I am willing to give out free IDs in exchange for honest elections.

You don't have to be a U.S. citized to get an ID... how are you gonna prevent non-citizens from voting?
 

alien42

Lifer
Nov 28, 2004
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Originally posted by: ehhhh
I have no problem with requiring high school and college students to do community service if they need government assistance for tuition. Nothing wrong with that. But I do have a problem with it if they get nothing for it.

Obama has said repeatedly that college educations are becoming too expensive and that every American child should have the opportunity for an affordable education via community service.
 

Mill

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Requiring community service is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I also seriously doubt that most people can spare 100 hours for community service while in college. Obama is just not in reality on this one. He majored in Political Science so perhaps he thinks all college experiences are like his, but some people major in something that requires hard work where the loss of 100 hours is a serious issue.

You probably spent 100 hours masturbating in college each year, so I am sure most people can find 2 hours a week to do some service. Hell, most could do it over a couple of weekends or as part of an internship. A lot of it could be done from home or in correlation with someone's concentration or major.
 

NoStateofMind

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Oct 14, 2005
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Don't just read that part of this site. Check this out, this is scary!

http://www.change.gov/agenda/homelandsecurity/

Improve Intelligence Capacity and Protect Civil Liberties
#

Improve Information Sharing and Analysis: Barack Obama will improve our intelligence system by creating a senior position to coordinate domestic intelligence gathering; establishing a grant program to support thousands more state and local level intelligence analysts and increasing our capacity to share intelligence across all levels of government.

Gestapo anyone? All the BS about how the telco immunities were wrong, then flipping the script, and now IMPLEMENTING MORE DOMESTIC SURVEILLANCE shows you he isn't removing government power/intrusion but EXPANDING IT. Thank you and have a good day.
 

charrison

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: charrison
I was not disagreeing with you. That ban was very pointless.

Yeah, just backing it up a bit.

If no ID is required to vote, what keeps people from registering 50 times under fake names in different counties?

Not a thing. Just make the state IDs free, if people think paying for a id is too high of barrier. I am willing to give out free IDs in exchange for honest elections.

You don't have to be a U.S. citized to get an ID... how are you gonna prevent non-citizens from voting?

I am sure we can figure out a way for every legal US to get an ID so they can register to vote.

At the very least we can require that registration systems require a SSN and an address, This would at least cut down fraud very quickly.
 

alien42

Lifer
Nov 28, 2004
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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Don't just read that part of this site. Check this out, this is scary!

http://www.change.gov/agenda/homelandsecurity/

Improve Intelligence Capacity and Protect Civil Liberties
#

Improve Information Sharing and Analysis: Barack Obama will improve our intelligence system by creating a senior position to coordinate domestic intelligence gathering; establishing a grant program to support thousands more state and local level intelligence analysts and increasing our capacity to share intelligence across all levels of government.

Gestapo anyone? All the BS about how the telco immunities were wrong, then flipping the script, and now IMPLEMENTING MORE DOMESTIC SURVEILLANCE shows you he isn't removing government power/intrusion but EXPANDING IT. Thank you and have a good day.

news flash, the 9/11 terrorists trained within the United States. this is also relevant...

"Give Real Authority to the Privacy and Civil Liberties Board: Created by Congress and recommended by the 9/11 Commission, the Privacy and Civil Liberties Board needs to be substantially reformed and empowered to safeguard against an erosion in American civil liberties. As president, Barack Obama will support efforts to strengthen the Board with subpoena powers and reporting responsibilities, will give the Board a robust mandate designed to protect American civil liberties and will demand transparency from the Board to ensure accountability."
 

charrison

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Requiring community service is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I also seriously doubt that most people can spare 100 hours for community service while in college. Obama is just not in reality on this one. He majored in Political Science so perhaps he thinks all college experiences are like his, but some people major in something that requires hard work where the loss of 100 hours is a serious issue.

You probably spent 100 hours masturbating in college each year, so I am sure most people can find 2 hours a week to do some service. Hell, most could do it over a couple of weekends or as part of an internship. A lot of it could be done from home or in correlation with someone's concentration or major.

Getting paid 40/hour to volunteer is not exactly volunteer work....

Hell if we are going to pay people to volunteer, why dont we start with those that are taking unemployment and other such programs.
 

OCGuy

Lifer
Jul 12, 2000
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Originally posted by: alien42
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Don't just read that part of this site. Check this out, this is scary!

http://www.change.gov/agenda/homelandsecurity/

Improve Intelligence Capacity and Protect Civil Liberties
#

Improve Information Sharing and Analysis: Barack Obama will improve our intelligence system by creating a senior position to coordinate domestic intelligence gathering; establishing a grant program to support thousands more state and local level intelligence analysts and increasing our capacity to share intelligence across all levels of government.

Gestapo anyone? All the BS about how the telco immunities were wrong, then flipping the script, and now IMPLEMENTING MORE DOMESTIC SURVEILLANCE shows you he isn't removing government power/intrusion but EXPANDING IT. Thank you and have a good day.

news flash, the 9/11 terrorists trained within the United States.



Ah, so using terrorism to expand government monitoring?

Who is this sounding like?
 

charrison

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: alien42
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Don't just read that part of this site. Check this out, this is scary!

http://www.change.gov/agenda/homelandsecurity/

Improve Intelligence Capacity and Protect Civil Liberties
#

Improve Information Sharing and Analysis: Barack Obama will improve our intelligence system by creating a senior position to coordinate domestic intelligence gathering; establishing a grant program to support thousands more state and local level intelligence analysts and increasing our capacity to share intelligence across all levels of government.

Gestapo anyone? All the BS about how the telco immunities were wrong, then flipping the script, and now IMPLEMENTING MORE DOMESTIC SURVEILLANCE shows you he isn't removing government power/intrusion but EXPANDING IT. Thank you and have a good day.

news flash, the 9/11 terrorists trained within the United States.



Ah, so using terrorism to expand government monitoring?

Who is this sounding like?

I can only the outrage we would hear if it was proposed by the current admin...
 

bamacre

Lifer
Jul 1, 2004
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Originally posted by: alien42
news flash, the 9/11 terrorists trained within the United States.

And our government had all the info they needed to prevent the attacks.
 

babylon5

Golden Member
Dec 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Don't just read that part of this site. Check this out, this is scary!

http://www.change.gov/agenda/homelandsecurity/

Improve Intelligence Capacity and Protect Civil Liberties
#

Improve Information Sharing and Analysis: Barack Obama will improve our intelligence system by creating a senior position to coordinate domestic intelligence gathering; establishing a grant program to support thousands more state and local level intelligence analysts and increasing our capacity to share intelligence across all levels of government.

Gestapo anyone? All the BS about how the telco immunities were wrong, then flipping the script, and now IMPLEMENTING MORE DOMESTIC SURVEILLANCE shows you he isn't removing government power/intrusion but EXPANDING IT. Thank you and have a good day.

Bush and Cheney would approve of this