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I would grab a GTX 750 Ti. Perfect card for turning those box store PC's into something that can game decent @ 1080p.

This is the one PCPER tested and got some great OC results, even out the box it boosts pretty high.

http://www.amazon.com/PNY-GeForce-75...rds=GTX+750+ti

I will get that GTX 750ti. My friend has it on his laptop and he can runs most the games I play on ultra with aa off and vertical sync. But I will eventually want a monster computer that can run crysis 3 on full on ultra v sync and everything. Those are the dreams my friends... Most of you are in heaven while I am in hell. soon.
 

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If you have a Micro Center in your area, I strongly suggest buying at least the CPU and motherboard there. Not only are the CPUs usually $20-$50 cheaper than you can find online (sometimes even more if they have a special sale), but you can also save $30-$40 extra by buying the CPU and motherboard as a bundle. Even with local taxes, you're still coming out way ahead.

I am sure theres one around here in Bakersfield. Although I don't want to throw pieces away from this pc because this is fresh pc 5 months ago and damn it's like I just throw 1000 dollars into the ground. Money isn't my problem, but damn this is pathetic of me.
 

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I will get that GTX 750ti. My friend has it on his laptop and he can runs most the games I play on ultra with aa off and vertical sync. But I will eventually want a monster computer that can run crysis 3 on full on ultra v sync and everything. Those are the dreams my friends... Most of you are in heaven while I am in hell. soon.

Your friend probably has the GTX 750M in his laptop. The GTX 750 Ti like the one I linked is quite a bit faster. I don't have any benchmarks to show, but here are the specs for both.

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-750-Ti-vs-GeForce-GT-750M
 

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Your friend probably has the GTX 750M in his laptop. The GTX 750 Ti like the one I linked is quite a bit faster. I don't have any benchmarks to show, but here are the specs for both.

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-750-Ti-vs-GeForce-GT-750M

Okay that's beast. 1 Thing though why did so many people trash on this 750 Ti is there something I am missing here. 1 thing is for sure If I buy, no when I buy this graphics card will it fit? I just opened my case and Looked at the 350w then looked at the video card and I am wondering if it would fit. It looks like the space is fine, but the insertion I am afraid of. Meaning the pattern would match the gtx750ti allowing it to insert correctly with out a fuss.
 
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I will get that GTX 750ti. My friend has it on his laptop and he can runs most the games I play on ultra with aa off and vertical sync. But I will eventually want a monster computer that can run crysis 3 on full on ultra v sync and everything. Those are the dreams my friends... Most of you are in heaven while I am in hell. soon.

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You've admitted yourself that you don't know much about PCs.
First lets make something clear. A GTX 750Ti desktop version and a GTX 750 laptop version are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
Blame Nvidia for this and their insane naming schemes. The GTX 750Ti is BRAND NEW. It's a whole new architecture that is different from GTX 750 mobile version. The GTX 750Ti is popular and hugely loved because it signifies what the GTX 800 series is going to be like(this is where it actually belongs as well but Nvidia is launching it now so they need to use the GTX700 naming scheme to make sense. They'll then refine this card and launch the full GTX 800 series later this year). The GTX 750 (mobile version) you saw on your laptop is the mobile version of the GTX 600 series.

This is why you need to be extremely careful when just simply reading off product numbers.

You were already linked a PC build that would put you into heaven. That PC Build Groover linked you would game better than my PC that I build for $1k(Granted I don't think the GTX 770 was an option at the time and I wanted a faster CPU just to have it).

You're repeated your "bestbuy" experience by not knowing what you're doing. Sadly, you also came here right after the GTX 750 TI was just released in which many people have read "This card can be popped into any PC, even off the shelf pcs from bestbuy/other retailers for an instant performance boost" (paraphrase from the review), so now they are using you as the guinea pig to see it in action. I won't say the GTX 750 TI is a bad choice at all. It's not. But you're MUCH better off selling your PC for $450 (And this is so easy to do on Craigslist. List the price you bought it at, list $400-450 as the price you're selling it at, wipe it to factory default and it sells easy).

Anyway, these threads 99% of the time go with the OP taking the worst option presented out of the bunch so I won't be surprised.

And you can't just "Get the build later" either. Please dont save this thread and 1 year from now pick the parts in Groover's list and build that PC. PC landscape changes almost monthly. What was a good deal today, isn't a good deal 1 month from now. 1 Year from now, every part listed here will be irrelevant in a "New" built.
 

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You've admitted yourself that you don't know much about PCs.
First lets make something clear. A GTX 750Ti desktop version and a GTX 750 laptop version are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
Blame Nvidia for this and their insane naming schemes. The GTX 750Ti is BRAND NEW. It's a whole new architecture that is different from GTX 750 mobile version. The GTX 750Ti is popular and hugely loved because it signifies what the GTX 800 series is going to be like(this is where it actually belongs as well but Nvidia is launching it now so they need to use the GTX700 naming scheme to make sense. They'll then refine this card and launch the full GTX 800 series later this year). The GTX 750 (mobile version) you saw on your laptop is the mobile version of the GTX 600 series.

This is why you need to be extremely careful when just simply reading off product numbers.

You were already linked a PC build that would put you into heaven. That PC Build Groover linked you would game better than my PC that I build for $1k(Granted I don't think the GTX 770 was an option at the time and I wanted a faster CPU just to have it).

You're repeated your "bestbuy" experience by not knowing what you're doing. Sadly, you also came here right after the GTX 750 TI was just released in which many people have read "This card can be popped into any PC, even off the shelf pcs from bestbuy/other retailers for an instant performance boost" (paraphrase from the review), so now they are using you as the guinea pig to see it in action. I won't say the GTX 750 TI is a bad choice at all. It's not. But you're MUCH better off selling your PC for $450 (And this is so easy to do on Craigslist. List the price you bought it at, list $400-450 as the price you're selling it at, wipe it to factory default and it sells easy).

Anyway, these threads 99% of the time go with the OP taking the worst option presented out of the bunch so I won't be surprised.

And you can't just "Get the build later" either. Please dont save this thread and 1 year from now pick the parts in Groover's list and build that PC. PC landscape changes almost monthly. What was a good deal today, isn't a good deal 1 month from now. 1 Year from now, every part listed here will be irrelevant in a "New" built.

damn dude that was a beast summary. I know I know. That build is awesome, but I have college Online. Online college. Forgot to mention it's online virtual. If i could I would sell this piece of trash.... But these classes are demanding online. I am working and doing these online classes, but the money atm I have to acquire it in two weeks tops. Although I really wish I could turn this pc into a gaming pc. It would give me ease at life and stress.
I am also learning a lot from this website lol thanks guys.
 

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Okay that's beast. 1 Thing though why did so many people trash on this 750 Ti is there something I am missing here. 1 thing is for sure If I buy, no when I buy this graphics card will it fit? I just opened my case and Looked at the 350w then looked at the video card and I am wondering if it would fit. It looks like the space is fine, but the insertion I am afraid of. Meaning the pattern would match the gtx750ti allowing it to insert correctly with out a fuss.

You may have misled people when stating you had a 1K budget, and if that was the case then a new build would be your best option for the best gaming experience. If you want to turn your current best buy PC into a moderate gaming PC, then the 750 Ti is hard to beat considering you have a generic 350watt PSU. Your Asus PC has an AMD APU, which has the "videocard" on the same die as the CPU, so you won't have a physical videocard to remove. You will certainly have an available PCI-E slot on your motherboard. That will be the slot you will want to install the GTX 750 Ti into. When you get the card and if you are having troubles, come back here and someone will help. The videocard will come with installation instructions as well.
 
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You may have lead people on stating you had a 1K budget, and if that was the case then a new build would be your best option for the best gaming experience. If you want to turn your current best buy PC into a moderate gaming PC, then the 750 Ti is hard to beat considering you have a generic 350watt PSU. Your Asus PC has an AMD APU, which has the "videocard" on the same die as the CPU, so you won't have a physical videocard to remove. You will certainly have an available PCI-E slot on your motherboard. That will be the slot you will want to install the GTX 750 Ti into. When you get the card and if you are having troubles, come back here and someone will help. The videocard will come with installation instructions as well.

wow thanks man this really sums it up for me. I think I might go buy one this weekend. Although I see two pci spots. about the 1000$ budget I do have the money, meaning I need to wait for my checks because Most of the time I buy games or go out with friends, but I can spare friend time to get that 1000$ pc and give this one to my littler bother. my problem is maintaining my online colleges with perfect attendance.
 

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wow thanks man this really sums it up for me. I think I might go buy one this weekend. Although I see two pci spots. about the 1000$ budget I do have the money, meaning I need to wait for my checks because Most of the time I buy games or go out with friends, but I can spare friend time to get that 1000$ pc and give this one to my littler bother. my problem is maintaining my online colleges with perfect attendance.

I would just grab the GTX 750 TI and go from there. It will be a huge upgrade from what you currently have and it should meet most of your expectations. No point in spending 1K if you really don't need to. You can spend a bunch of $$$ on a PC when you are done with your studies... sorry if I sound like a Dad ;)
 

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Yup it's misleading when you have a $1k budget but don't have it.

If you need to keep attendance then FIRST save teh $1k up in the next 2 weeks. Then, purchase the above PC Groover listed. Then work on selling your PC. And learn from this. You NEVER purchase a PC at Bestbuy.

PC sales are at an all time low. This means that most retailers like BestBuy are attempting to offload old inventory. Anything you purchase at Bestbuy is usually old tech. My last experience at BestBuy (In which my uncle insisted on going there to look at PCs) was me walking around looking at 2012 laptops in the year 2013. BestBuy and other retailers like it are basically a living time machine in which going into them is like going 1 year into the past and buying something.
 

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Yup it's misleading when you have a $1k budget but don't have it.

If you need to keep attendance then FIRST save teh $1k up in the next 2 weeks. Then, purchase the above PC Groover listed. Then work on selling your PC. And learn from this. You NEVER purchase a PC at Bestbuy.

PC sales are at an all time low. This means that most retailers like BestBuy are attempting to offload old inventory. Anything you purchase at Bestbuy is usually old tech. My last experience at BestBuy (In which my uncle insisted on going there to look at PCs) was me walking around looking at 2012 laptops in the year 2013. BestBuy and other retailers like it are basically a living time machine in which going into them is like going 1 year into the past and buying something.

LOL!! thanks man. I will learn from all this. Sorry about the misleading 1k am Just saying I don't have any bills or anything to pay. I live with my parents and I give them some cash, but they don't really need much. Meaning I can get 1200$ in two weeks.
 

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I would just grab the GTX 750 TI and go from there. It will be a huge upgrade from what you currently have and it should meet most of your expectations. No point in spending 1K if you really don't need to. You can spend a bunch of $$$ on a PC when you are done with your studies... sorry if I sound like a Dad ;)

LOL np man. Thanks for clearing it up. I want to thank everyone else too. I think The Gtx 750ti would be the best option until I am done with my studies. Hopefuly Electrical Engineering can teach me some more about this computer stuff. Specially the internal areas.
 

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One other thing for sure. DO I order this online, because any other store around me consist of bestbuy, target, walmart, kmart, and a Mall. The nearest micro center there is...is about 1 hour and 30 minutes away....

Another thing is that this GTX750 needs a total watt of 400 -___-' I have 350w......
 
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One other thing for sure. DO I order this online, because any other store around me consist of bestbuy, target, walmart, kmart, and a Mall. The nearest micro center there is...is about 1 hour and 30 minutes away....

Another thing is that this GTX750 needs a total watt of 400 -___-' I have 350w......

Yes, I would order that one off of Amazon I linked. Free shipping and use Prime if you got it. Newegg is out of stock on that model and they charge shipping.

Don't worry about your power supply. You will be fine - see here -

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7764/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-750-ti-and-gtx-750-review-maxwell/22

This is with a setup that would consume more power than yours.

Worst case scenario, you could always buy a cheap less than $50 corsair power supply, but I don't think you will need to.
 

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LOL np man. Thanks for clearing it up. I want to thank everyone else too. I think The Gtx 750ti would be the best option until I am done with my studies. Hopefuly Electrical Engineering can teach me some more about this computer stuff. Specially the internal areas.

PC knowledge is really just PC Knowledge. I had engineers, computer science majors, etc. and 95% I knew in college didn't know much of anything about PC Hardware.

300W is what Nvidia recommended. Then everyone just simply ignored that and wrote 400W.

I personally don't like to cut it close though but that's up to you. After blowing two sets of tweeters on my Polk Monitor 70 Tower Speakers, having power issues on my last PC due to a weak power supply, etc. I will never underpower something again.

It SHOULD work for you 99% of the time though.

As for locations to purchase. When I said never walk into a bestbuy again I wasn't kidding. Amazon.com and Newegg.com are there for a reason.

I just have to reiterate since I hate seeing people throw away money. It's like the biggest pet peeve of mine. My friend was in the same type of situation you were in and I helped him through that and he is getting his PC today (he still insisted on having a local shop build it but at least he didn't go with the rag tag group of parts he picked. His PC Shop didn't know that some intel CPUs don't have integrated graphics...).

Your current PC has VERY little future value.
You spent $600 and are going to FURTHER sink another $150 into a graphics card. 2 years from now, that PC/GPU will be hard to off load, and won't perform well in new games.

Meanwhile you could sell your current PC for $450, after you purchase your new PC for $1k, and get 4 years or so out of your new PC easily.

Users who spent $1K in 2010 now in 2014 only need at most a GPU upgrade to stay relevant(There are tons of happy Nehalem users gaming on OCd chips).
Yourself you've spent $600 on your PC. Now you are going to spend $150 on a GPU for a total of $750 spent. Except your system has MUCH LESS longevity.

Your current route:
Spend $600 PC
Spend $150 on GPU
1-2 years from now (When your PC has depreciated like no other) sell your PC. The only part worthwhile will be the GPU since in reality the only reason your PC is easy to sell right now is that it's relatively new so you can show someone the link and be like "It's $600 and I just got it but I'm upgrading so I'll give it to you for $450!!!!" 1-2 Years from now? Probably get about $200 for it but I'll be generous and say $375. Then purchase a whole new PC for $1k and get 4 years of quality gaming from that.

Total Spent: $1750
Total Recouped: $375
Net Spent: $1375
Years of Quality Gaming over a 6 year Span: 4 years

Proposed Route by Groover:
Spend $600 PC (Already done)
Sell PC $450
Purchase new PC $1k
2 years from now sell your GTX 770 (You can get $200 for it? You can sell it later though but for purposes of keeping both routes even).
Purchase even better GPU $350

Total Spend: $1950
Total Recouped: $650
Net Spent: $1300
Years of Quality Gaming over a 6 year Span: 6 years

It just makes more sense to buy what you actually need now rather than try to bandaid it. Don't hold onto hardware that doesn't perform/do the task you need. Always sell it as soon as possible.
 

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PC knowledge is really just PC Knowledge. I had engineers, computer science majors, etc. and 95% I knew in college didn't know much of anything about PC Hardware.

300W is what Nvidia recommended. Then everyone just simply ignored that and wrote 400W.

I personally don't like to cut it close though but that's up to you. After blowing two sets of tweeters on my Polk Monitor 70 Tower Speakers, having power issues on my last PC due to a weak power supply, etc. I will never underpower something again.

It SHOULD work for you 99% of the time though.

As for locations to purchase. When I said never walk into a bestbuy again I wasn't kidding. Amazon.com and Newegg.com are there for a reason.

I just have to reiterate since I hate seeing people throw away money. It's like the biggest pet peeve of mine. My friend was in the same type of situation you were in and I helped him through that and he is getting his PC today (he still insisted on having a local shop build it but at least he didn't go with the rag tag group of parts he picked. His PC Shop didn't know that some intel CPUs don't have integrated graphics...).

Your current PC has VERY little future value.
You spent $600 and are going to FURTHER sink another $150 into a graphics card. 2 years from now, that PC/GPU will be hard to off load, and won't perform well in new games.

Meanwhile you could sell your current PC for $450, after you purchase your new PC for $1k, and get 4 years or so out of your new PC easily.

Users who spent $1K in 2010 now in 2014 only need at most a GPU upgrade to stay relevant(There are tons of happy Nehalem users gaming on OCd chips).
Yourself you've spent $600 on your PC. Now you are going to spend $150 on a GPU for a total of $750 spent. Except your system has MUCH LESS longevity.

Your current route:
Spend $600 PC
Spend $150 on GPU
1-2 years from now (When your PC has depreciated like no other) sell your PC. The only part worthwhile will be the GPU since in reality the only reason your PC is easy to sell right now is that it's relatively new so you can show someone the link and be like "It's $600 and I just got it but I'm upgrading so I'll give it to you for $450!!!!" 1-2 Years from now? Probably get about $200 for it but I'll be generous and say $375. Then purchase a whole new PC for $1k and get 4 years of quality gaming from that.

Total Spent: $1750
Total Recouped: $375
Net Spent: $1375
Years of Quality Gaming over a 6 year Span: 4 years

Proposed Route by Groover:
Spend $600 PC (Already done)
Sell PC $450
Purchase new PC $1k
2 years from now sell your GTX 770 (You can get $200 for it? You can sell it later though but for purposes of keeping both routes even).
Purchase even better GPU $350

Total Spend: $1950
Total Recouped: $650
Net Spent: $1300
Years of Quality Gaming over a 6 year Span: 6 years

It just makes more sense to buy what you actually need now rather than try to bandaid it. Don't hold onto hardware that doesn't perform/do the task you need. Always sell it as soon as possible.


Well. I think I am going with you plan then. I guess saving more money would come to an ease of my stress. I am looking for potential buyers atm.
 

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I honestly had meant for the first option (You buying the GTX 750TI) to come out to be the cheaper option. Then you could decide whether $50-100 was worth 2 extra years of quality gaming. It just works out that purchasing the wrong parts first just really doesn't work well.

What you can take away from that post though is that you could be willing to go down to a $375 when selling your system. It would essentially still be equivalent in cost to if you had bought the GTX 750 TI. The bonus of course is you get the 2 years of great gaming at high/ultra (max settings).

Also, you don't have to deal with wondering if your GTX 750 Ti will work 100% of the time on your 350W Power Supply that wasn't meant for a gaming GPU (or any type of real gaming).
 

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I agree with the option of a GTX 750TI as the cheapest, easiest, fastest route to good gaming NOW.

There's a good chance of being able to upgrade that processor in the near future as well.


Selling it off is certainly an option, but only if you get a decent price! If you can't get a good amount for it right away, just stick with it. Don't lose 50% just because you might want something else.

Remember, folks, this guy isn't a die-hard gamer here who demands the best performance out there - just good quality settings on a low-res monitor, adequately smooth framerate, and few hassles!

The 750TI is the cheapest & least frustrating option to GOOD performance. Not "amazing" - but more than adequate!
 

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I agree with the option of a GTX 750TI as the cheapest, easiest, fastest route to good gaming NOW.

There's a good chance of being able to upgrade that processor in the near future as well.


Selling it off is certainly an option, but only if you get a decent price! If you can't get a good amount for it right away, just stick with it. Don't lose 50% just because you might want something else.

Remember, folks, this guy isn't a die-hard gamer here who demands the best performance out there - just good quality settings on a low-res monitor, adequately smooth framerate, and few hassles!

The 750TI is the cheapest & least frustrating option to GOOD performance. Not "amazing" - but more than adequate!

Okay I will go with your option mainly because after college i want to join the military and damn you are right.... No more changing my mind. I am getting this 750TI thanks guy.
 

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Just trying to help - I know the situation you're in. It's not the fastest gaming rig out there, but I think you'll be happy with it until you can afford to change the processor with something faster, or sell the whole thing a year from now. You'll also get a MUCH better resale value for the whole thing and card because it can be sold as a "gamer" instead of "basic".

It's a darned good video card, so much faster than what you have now... you'll be very happy with the difference.
 

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I honestly had meant for the first option (You buying the GTX 750TI) to come out to be the cheaper option. Then you could decide whether $50-100 was worth 2 extra years of quality gaming. It just works out that purchasing the wrong parts first just really doesn't work well.

What you can take away from that post though is that you could be willing to go down to a $375 when selling your system. It would essentially still be equivalent in cost to if you had bought the GTX 750 TI. The bonus of course is you get the 2 years of great gaming at high/ultra (max settings).

Also, you don't have to deal with wondering if your GTX 750 Ti will work 100% of the time on your 350W Power Supply that wasn't meant for a gaming GPU (or any type of real gaming).

The first option IS cheaper if you factor in time value of money. I don't disagree with the direction you are pointing the OP in but wanted to point out "cough up 1k now" is not quite the same as "cough up 1k in 2 years." Plus if the OP is going to be an engineer, s/he might not have time to be a gamer in 2 years (I used to game a ton but now I can rarely spare the time due to work). Coughing up 1k NOW means the cost is sunk. Doing so in 2 years leaves the option to re-evaluate when that time comes around.

Again, not disagreeing with you. Just wanted to provide the other side of the story.
 

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I get the feeling that the op has more pressing matters in his life than spending 1000 dollars to build a pc. Perhaps focus on your online classes/pay down debt rather than waiting for the $1000 pay check to arrive and then blow it all?
 

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This thread has gotten so detailed, not that thats a bad thing.

The end point is that a 750ti for 150 bucks is the easiest, cheapest and most immediate improvement. Its not like you could magically sell ur computer, and assemble a whole new computer in a few days with no issues whatsoever.

OP if you want to game well (750ti is still MUCH better than most, hard for this forum to believe) just get the card and be done with it. Don't spend a grand to get something that when it comes down to it... won't be obviously better.
 

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I have no debt my college has pell grants and financial aid and scholar ships. You guys all make valid points, but damn the mass confusion. Although I will get the 750ti no doubt. Maybe in 3 to 2 years I will just upgrade the same pc. Maybe get a new power brick, GPU, CPU. Possibly 2b of storage.