Wasn't Noah's Flood Actually Debunked?

[[DHT]Osiris]

Yeah it's weird.

A flood happened. I mean floods happen!

A flood happened therefore lots of religious stuff?
A flood happening doesn't need any religious narrative. Adding that is just odd. You may as well just make up the religious bit without adding the flood bit.

Not to a primitive culture. To a primitive culture, anything not understood is attributed to a higher power. God of the sun, god of the wind, god of water, flood, ocean, farts, whatever. If an ignorant person goes their whole life with little change outside of the seasons, and suddenly a flood wipes out the entire village, they're probably going to assume someone pissed off whatever force has the ability to create that flood.

 

[IronWing]

they're probably going to assume someone pissed off whatever force has the ability to create that flood.

Probably overgrazing the uplands and building their houses on the floodplain. Too bad they weren't smart like modern peoples.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Probably overgrazing the uplands and building their houses on the floodplain. Too bad they weren't smart like modern peoples.

Don't forget raising the floodplain several feet by generating so much heat that all the ice on the planet melts.

 

[ultimatebob]

There were times in Earth's history where most of the planet was flooded. Nothing as recent as Noah's time, but it has happened in the distant past.

Like most Bible stories, there is a kernel of truth to them. There was probably some big flood around Noah's time that wiped out the area where the author lived, and the rest became a tall tale that got exaggerated over generations.

 

[sdifox]

one take away from the Bible. God must really hate the lambs. The humans do all sorts of shit, but it is the lambs that gets it.

 

[BurnItDwn]

The tallest mountain is currently estimated at approx 29000 feet. that means the entire surface of the earth would need at least 29000 feet deep of rain. for the whole world to be under water.
there is not enough water on earth.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Except the parts that a given person wants to be accurate. Then it's real. See: existence of Jesus.

They are doing it wrong imo

 

[WelshBloke]

Not to a primitive culture. To a primitive culture, anything not understood is attributed to a higher power. God of the sun, god of the wind, god of water, flood, ocean, farts, whatever. If an ignorant person goes their whole life with little change outside of the seasons, and suddenly a flood wipes out the entire village, they're probably going to assume someone pissed off whatever force has the ability to create that flood.

Yeah I get where stories start. But it's weird how people consider it more than that now. There's no intrinsic message in a flood.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Yeah I get where stories start. But it's weird how people consider it more than that now. There's no intrinsic message in a flood.

Ah but that's the great thing about interpretive religions, it can be whatever you want it to be!

Punishment for hubris!
Punishment for lack of worship!
Overt challenge for the human spirit to rise up!
Personal challenge for one blessed man!
Great cleansing to start anew!
Example of power, with a promise to never do it again! (that one's my personal favorite, get everyone accepting abuse from an early age)

 

[DAPUNISHER]

When The Great CPU calls upon you, will you be a cache miss?

I prefer

Greetings. The Master Control Program has chosen you to serve your system on the Game Grid. Those of you who continue to profess a belief in the Users will receive the standard substandard training, which will result in your eventual elimination. Those of you who renounce this superstitious and hysterical belief will be eligible to join the warrior elite of the MCP. You will each receive an identity disk. Everything you do or learn will be imprinted on this disk. If you lose your disk or fail to obey commands, you will be subject to immediate de-resolution. That will be all.

 

[skyking]

I know it's off topic and maybe you weren't looking for a serious answer, but the first written flood story was in the epic of Gilgamesh which predated the Bible.

Gilgamesh flood myth - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

there have been flood stories across several cultures and many millennia.
The Bibles was just the most recent and probably the last one.

 

[lxskllr]

Ah but that's the great thing about interpretive religions, it can be whatever you want it to be!

Punishment for hubris!
Punishment for lack of worship!
Overt challenge for the human spirit to rise up!
Personal challenge for one blessed man!
Great cleansing to start anew!
Example of power, with a promise to never do it again! (that one's my personal favorite, get everyone accepting abuse from an early age)

Maybe he just really likes fish.

 

[nakedfrog]

There were times in Earth's history where most of the planet was flooded. Nothing as recent as Noah's time, but it has happened in the distant past.

Like most Bible stories, there is a kernel of truth to them. There was probably some big flood around Noah's time that wiped out the area where the author lived, and the rest became a tall tale that got exaggerated over generations.

Rather distant, yeah

Eons | That Time It Rained for Two Million Years | Season 1 | Episode 43

234 million years ago, the climate suddenly changed for the wetter.

www.pbs.org

 

[RY62]

The tallest mountain is currently estimated at approx 29000 feet. that means the entire surface of the earth would need at least 29000 feet deep of rain. for the whole world to be under water.
there is not enough water on earth.

You think the God who created the universe and everything in it couldn't even flood a single planet and then remove the excess water. God mode wouldn't be worth much if it had limits. Lol

 

[nakedfrog]

You think the God who created the universe and everything in it couldn't even flood a single planet and then remove the excess water. God mode wouldn't be worth much if it had limits. Lol

What, like the only way it could find a way to redeem the humans it created of the sins that it also created was to personify itself on the planet, let that personification be killed, and then the later humans had to "accept" that long-dead personification in order to be cleansed of the sins? That kind of limit?

 

[BurnItDwn]

You think the God who created the universe and everything in it couldn't even flood a single planet and then remove the excess water. God mode wouldn't be worth much if it had limits. Lol

We all know the REAL flood was Ymir's blood after he was slain by Odin and his brothers.

 

[Zorba]

I can't say I've looked into it, but I had the impression it was thought the story might have originated as a concequence of a _purely local_ but severe, flood, in the area where those who invented those stories happened to mostly live back then?

In past eras (the Eocene, I think?) the earth was warmer with far less ice and concequently far higher sea-levels, but I think those all massively-predated anything Biblical.

I believe Northern Africa was pretty wet around 10,000 years ago as we came out of the last ice age. A little early for the bible writers, but maybe still within oral story telling.

 

[Zorba]

The reason I ask is because I had a talk with a stranger about global warming and how he thought it wasn't really an issue. Then I shot back well what about the hurricanes? They seem to be getting more severe, and what about tornadoes in NJ? The severe weather that took place in NJ, NY last week would had never happened if global warming wasn't an issue. He then shot back well did they have SUVs during Noah's flood? I was like what the f*ck are you talking about? I left it at that and walked away. I didn't want to argue with this guy. It was getting late, and I just wanted to get home.

People actually believe in 2021 that Noah's flood was an actual event? That Noah and his family were the only surviving humans who repopulated the earth? What about the indigious peoples of North and South America? How did they survive the flood? Don't we have trees older than the suspossed date of the flood? And, how did Noah get on board 2 of every speciaes? Including ants, flies, and mosquitos? Why would Noah want to save the mosquito? If there is one insect that has caused more harm than any it is the mosquito.

There is a whole museum showing how the Arc worked. It's not like they allow fictitious museums to exists, so it must be real. https://creationmuseum.org/bible-history/noahs-ark/

 

[MtnMan]

The reason I ask is because I had a talk with a stranger about global warming and how he thought it wasn't really an issue. Then I shot back well what about the hurricanes? They seem to be getting more severe, and what about tornadoes in NJ? The severe weather that took place in NJ, NY last week would had never happened if global warming wasn't an issue. He then shot back well did they have SUVs during Noah's flood? I was like what the f*ck are you talking about? I left it at that and walked away. I didn't want to argue with this guy. It was getting late, and I just wanted to get home.

People actually believe in 2021 that Noah's flood was an actual event? That Noah and his family were the only surviving humans who repopulated the earth? What about the indigious peoples of North and South America? How did they survive the flood? Don't we have trees older than the suspossed date of the flood? And, how did Noah get on board 2 of every speciaes? Including ants, flies, and mosquitos? Why would Noah want to save the mosquito? If there is one insect that has caused more harm than any it is the mosquito.

Keep in mind that there are large numbers of people that believe the fairy tale in the babble is a 100% accurate account of an actual event.

Several years ago, while getting my hair cut, I overheard the other barber talking to his customer about his trip to the Ark Encounter in Kentucky. Going on about the wonderful job they did in recreating this event, and what a wonderful and educational experience it was. His customer had not been but saying that he would try and make the trip.

I don't know how these people can function in today's world, but I'm pretty sure I know who they voted for in the last two presidential elections.

There is no way to debate this with these people, they drag you down to their level of ignorance, then beat you with their experience.

 

[Muse]

Oh I know. His answer took me my surprise though.

Among the biblical tales that have been pretty much proven made up, Noah's ark is in my mind the most obviously conjured and absurd, a priori as they say. I'm reading Christopher Hitchens' "god is not Great" which talks about things of this sort and holds religions' feet to the fire, so to speak. Highly recommended. Another book (I'm rereading) which sheds light on this kind of story is Haroun Tazieff's "When the Earth Trembles," in which the worst tectonic calamities in history and related info is described in fabulous fashion. I highly recommend it too.

 

[MtnMan]

Faith-based beliefs cannot be debunked. Facts, evidence, and logical arguments do not matter one bit.

 

[MtnMan]

Among the biblical tales that have been pretty much proven made up, Noah's ark is in my mind the most obviously conjured and absurd, a priori as they say. I'm reading Christopher Hitchens' "god is not Great" which talks about things of this sort and holds religions' feet to the fire, so to speak. Highly recommended. Another book (I'm rereading) which sheds light on this kind of story is Haroun Tazieff's "When the Earth Trembles," in which the worst tectonic calamities in history and related info is described in fabulous fashion. I highly recommend it too.

Keep in mind that all these tales were passed down by men that didn't understand where the sun went at night.

 

[BoomerD]

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exactly. You CANNOT debunk religious beliefs because they're based on "faith," and actual facts don't count.

 

[JEDI]

The reason I ask is because I had a talk with a stranger about global warming and how he thought it wasn't really an issue. Then I shot back well what about the hurricanes? They seem to be getting more severe, and what about tornadoes in NJ? The severe weather that took place in NJ, NY last week would had never happened if global warming wasn't an issue. He then shot back well did they have SUVs during Noah's flood? I was like what the f*ck are you talking about? I left it at that and walked away. I didn't want to argue with this guy. It was getting late, and I just wanted to get home.

People actually believe in 2021 that Noah's flood was an actual event? That Noah and his family were the only surviving humans who repopulated the earth? What about the indigious peoples of North and South America? How did they survive the flood? Don't we have trees older than the suspossed date of the flood? And, how did Noah get on board 2 of every speciaes? Including ants, flies, and mosquitos? Why would Noah want to save the mosquito? If there is one insect that has caused more harm than any it is the mosquito.

psst.. Everything in the Bible is debunked!
pass it on

 

[Muse]

exactly. You CANNOT debunk religious beliefs because they're based on "faith," and actual facts don't count.

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