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Wasilla forced rape victims to pay for rape tests on Palin's watch
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Throckmorton
Lifer
Depends on your income...
No, my point has nothing to do with your duplicitous assessment of their various tax plans. If you're not going to hold McCain responsible for tangental portions of bills he's voted on, then I don't want to hear you doing it for Obama. No more mental 180's like you did with the Cuban missile crisis thing, ok?
uclaLabrat
Diamond Member
In principle, I agree with most of what you wrote. However, it is your premise here where you feel they will follow through on all of these promises that I have the most trouble with. I can't see any change from the status quo coming from these two people.
In practice, I can't see these people shrinking the budget. I can't see them reigning in the deficit. I honestly can't see them doing anything to protect the long term interests of our country, I can't see them do anything that isn't short sighted or favoring their rich friends. In short, I don't see change with them, I see the same. I think Obama's message is dead-on in that regard. Their rhetoric doesn't match their record. That's a deal-breaker.
ProfJohn
Lifer
Crime data from Wasilla
link
For the last 3 years she was in office there were 5 rapes.
So for her entire term there were perhaps 10-12 rapes.
It is very possible that she never heard of the practice.
Also, the police chief is on record saying that they try to charge insurance companies for the rape kits, there is nothing yet that shows he wanted the rape victims themselves to pay for the kits.
link
For the last 3 years she was in office there were 5 rapes.
So for her entire term there were perhaps 10-12 rapes.
It is very possible that she never heard of the practice.
Also, the police chief is on record saying that they try to charge insurance companies for the rape kits, there is nothing yet that shows he wanted the rape victims themselves to pay for the kits.
JohnOfSheffield
Lifer
Does the amount of people actually matter when it's a question of principle, i mean paying for five people would not mean they had to spend more than a drop in an ocean? It seems it's the principle, doesn't it? On both sides.
Does it really matter if it's the insurance companies or the victims who don't have insurance that have to pay to investigate a crime?
Think about it, you're smarter than this.
JohnOfSheffield
Lifer
*we*? I'm a Brit in Afghanistan, i don't have a fucking clue. 😉
I'm going with what little i read, but it's been enough for me to say this:
She's fucked up beyond all recognition. IF i was American, she's the reason i wouldn't vote for McCain.
I hate her kind, to me, she's no better than the other religious terrorists who exclaim their happiness of death of others and refer to their own religion.
If that's not what she's doing then "The Iraq war is Gods will" was just her being retarded... ... nnnngggh. i can't NOT say it now... it runs in the family....
that bill passed the senate by unanimous consent. it was S.1197 of the 109th congress.
not to mention that bill did not become law. biden, specter, and another figured out a better bill, which passed both the house and senate by unanimous consent, and mccain is one of the few senators on congressional record speaking in favor of it when it passed (about native american coverage).
so that usa today article misrepresents what happened, and your statement misrepresents the already poor article.
On top of the other problems with this position, Palin also served as a member of the Wasilla City Council starting in 1992, where you would still expect these kinds of issues to come up.
At some point you have to ask how plausible is it that in a rather small town she never heard of any of these cases and the issue in question, and if she didn't whether that suggests she was so clueless about issues occurring in the town she is supposed to represent that it strongly brings into question her ability to serve as Vice-President.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Cool
This is the New America Americans want :thumbsup:
Finding old clips of Rev. Wright giving a speech where he quoted a *Republican*, that Obama wasn't at, and playing it out of context isn't 'digging up dirt'.
Obama researching this unknown woman for information that shows she is not the best choice for VP is 'digging up dirt'.
They're cult members, the Republicans.
MadRat
Lifer
Joe Biden tried to make rape tests free and McCain voted against the bill. Now we know that McSame flipflopped and got behind a later bill because perhaps he was on the wrong side of the issue. Looks like Palin does share at least SOME beliefs with McSame McCain. Flip flopping and jerking around the victim.
Rapes are GROSSLY under reported. Less than 10% of rape victims actually go to the police. Nearly 40% of women have experience unwanted sexual contact by college age (as defined as unwanted fondling, intercourse, and attempted rape).
I cannot stress how few raped women, and even less raped men, turn to the police. It's absolutely stunning. My senior research project is on sexual aggression, and the numbers are scary.
Where Palin's stances on rape gets wonky is when it comes to abortion. She feels that a woman who was completely violated should have no decision about her body. This is extremely psychologically damaging, giving that rape victims often suffer from feelings of a loss of control. Taking away a choice about what they can do with their bodies is just another weight added to an already weakened mind.
If you want to force raped women to keep their pregnancies, then you better be willing to provide free psychological care, pre-natal care, free daycare, and free healthcare for the child, in addition to some kind of monetary compensation so the woman can actually afford it. Otherwise we have nothing to discuss.
Also as an FYI, rape kits are extremely cheap. I believe something like $30 per kit.
I agree - the only real issue here is Palin's 'absolute' stance on abortion - which, like many religious beliefs, is inflexible and hard to apply to today's world.
A woman who is raped, and as a reult gets pregnant should at least have the right to choose an abortion - some women choose to, some don't - either way they should have the choice - to think otherwise is middle-ages thinking when women were 2nd class citizens in most of the world.
Nevermind doing something about the # of rapes that take place in this country - another one of our appalling bad violence trends that goes largely un-mentioned.
A woman who is raped, and as a reult gets pregnant should at least have the right to choose an abortion - some women choose to, some don't - either way they should have the choice - to think otherwise is middle-ages thinking when women were 2nd class citizens in most of the world.
Nevermind doing something about the # of rapes that take place in this country - another one of our appalling bad violence trends that goes largely un-mentioned.
jonks
Lifer
See, this is where I find her and people with similar views to be consistent, even if I still couldn't disagree more with their position. If you are pro-life, then be pro-life damnit. The baby conceived by rape is just as innocent as the baby conceived by accident. Being for the death of one and not the other when you believe that life begins at conception makes little sense to me.
Pro-choice people don't really consider the baby as much as they consider the woman. Pro-life people generally put the baby first. So being pro-life except in cases of rape or incest is, IMO, a hypocritical view.
New evidence that Palin may have had direct input on this.
Wasilla did not bill sexual assault victims for the cost of rape exams while Irl Stambaugh was chief of police
During Police Chief Stambaugh's time, there was a specific line
in the city budget to pay for the cost of rape exams
Sarah Palin fired Stambaugh for "not fully supporting her efforts to govern."
She replaced him with Chief Fannon
During Chief Fannon's time, the provison was removed from the city budget.
That budget was signed by Sarah Palin
Wasilla did not bill sexual assault victims for the cost of rape exams while Irl Stambaugh was chief of police
During Police Chief Stambaugh's time, there was a specific line
in the city budget to pay for the cost of rape exams
Sarah Palin fired Stambaugh for "not fully supporting her efforts to govern."
She replaced him with Chief Fannon
During Chief Fannon's time, the provison was removed from the city budget.
That budget was signed by Sarah Palin
WhipperSnapper
Lifer
I agree that it is consistent, but those people are choosing the life of an embryo or fetus that doesn't even have a brain yet over the well-being of a victimized woman as they sentence her to nine months of slavery in the name of their religious insanity.
Is it consistent? Yes! Their view is very consistent with their anti-human-happiness-in-this-life (and thus anti-human life) philosophy. It's very consistent with their desire to force their religious insanity on other people at gunpoint. (Properly defined, the advocates of legal abortion and freedom from religion are, in actuality, the real pro-lifers.)
IMHO, the people who oppose abortion even in the case of rape are downright disgusting and evil.
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