Was Trump getting help from Russia illegal?

[umbrella39]

He got the same kind of help that Obama got. Russia has been trying to influence elections for a long time. It is what Russians do. Just because someone tries to get one candidate elected it does not mean the candidate went and asked from the help from Russia. Obama seemed to be friends with Putin also.

Did you just take an Ambien?

 

[SMOGZINN]

Just because someone tries to get one candidate elected it does not mean the candidate went and asked from the help from Russia.

 

[dank69]

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Clinton leveraged her contacts to clear the playing field and Bernie had the audacity to challenge the coronation. I am still not sure I understand the logic of how Clinton became the heir apparent to Obama.

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Let's see, she was probably more qualified than Obama back in 2008 and by 2016 had added a few years as SOS under her belt. She was probably one of the most qualified presidential candidates of the past few decades.

Please explain how she used her contacts to "clear the playing field" though.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Let's see, she was probably more qualified than Obama back in 2008 and by 2016 had added a few years as SOS under her belt. She was probably one of the most qualified presidential candidates of the past few decades.

Please explain how she used her contacts to "clear the playing field" though.

There are no qualifications to run for President. Some of our best Presidents are military veterans, yet I wouldn’t set that as a prerequisite to hold office. Lincoln hardly fits the mold, yet most consider him our greatest President.

Hillary’s window was after GWB. She unfortunately encountered two problems that altered her destiny.

One, she supported the invasion of Iraq. Two, she was part of the status quo and had no message to inspire voters, where Obama totally seized his moment by articulating a vision. How can you classify Obama as less qualified when he defeated her and went on to become one of our most admired Presidents?

As for what she did to clear the playing field, Sanders supporters cried foul over superdelegates pledging allegiance before the debates were over, a wound worsened by the Podesta emails and Brazile revelations that confirmed allegations of backroom deals and premature coronations by party insiders. That is irrefutable fact.

I have a question for you. What themes did Obama use to defeat Clinton?

 

[1sikbITCH]

If those people hired find their bad things out from another nations intelligence network does that change things?





What about speaking fees, birthday presents, etc from other nations.

This is the difference between asking somebody on the street corner where to buy some drugs and setting up a pipeline with the cartel across the border. Not even in the same ballpark. If it wasn't illegal Kushner would have said OK GOOGLE CALL THE KREMLIN.

 

[Jhhnn]

As for what she did to clear the playing field, Sanders supporters cried foul over superdelegates pledging allegiance before the debates were over, a wound worsened by the Podesta emails and Brazile revelations that confirmed allegations of backroom deals and premature coronations by party insiders. That is irrefutable fact.

Pure unadulterated bullshit. Clinton won the nomination because she won more pledged delegates. The superdelegates only exist to provide a nominee in the event that no contender achieves a clear majority of pledged delegates. It doesn't matter what they say but rather how they vote.

But do go on with this Gish Gallop of Hillary blame. You'll be circling around to start at the beginning all over again rather shortly.

Trump & the Russians played you just as well as they played the deplorables, maybe better.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Pure unadulterated bullshit. Clinton won the nomination because she won more pledged delegates. The superdelegates only exist to provide a nominee in the event that no contender achieves a clear majority of pledged delegates. It doesn't matter what they say but rather how they vote.

But do go on with this Gish Gallop of Hillary blame. You'll be circling around to start at the beginning all over again rather shortly.

Trump & the Russians played you just as well as they played the deplorables, maybe better.

Yes, but when the superdelegates are also party leaders, they are de facto endorsing or coronating the nominee by prematurely pledging their support.

I will ask you the same question, what narrative or theme did Obama use to defeat Clinton?

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, but when the superdelegates are also party leaders, they are de facto endorsing or coronating the nominee by prematurely pledging their support.

I will ask you the same question, what narrative or theme did Obama use to defeat Clinton?

What does your question or all of your other duh-versions have to do with the topic at hand?

It's just the usual lameness of "But Hillary!"

Maybe you should tell us that the Russians backed Trump for the MAGA & that the people marching with them weren't chumped entirely. It would at least be on topic.

 

[Starbuck1975]

What does your question or all of your other duh-versions have to do with the topic at hand?

It's just the usual lameness of "But Hillary!"

Maybe you should tell us that the Russians backed Trump for the MAGA & that the people marching with them weren't chumped entirely. It would at least be on topic.

You will never answer the question because you know what the answer implies.

The Russians sought to disrupt and undermine our government. They had the perfect storm of a willingly exploitable vehicle and an easy target. I fully acknowledge and accept Russia duped America. Those responsible should and will face the legal consequences of their actions, and I feel no reason to rationalize or justify what they did, and I fully trust the Mueller investigation.

All I am asking for is an objective acknowledgment that Trump was not the only factor.

We should also blame social media platforms that prioritized ad revenue over responsible editorial or journalistic oversight.

We should also blame the media and some Democrats for normalizing Trump either to create a horse race, drive ratings or undermine the GOP nomination.

We should make sure that the FBI investigation into Clinton, and the assumption of her inevitability or desire to protect the legitimacy of her victory, did not in any way influence the handling of what were apparent red flags respective to the Trump campaign.

And we should question why the DNC leadership so strongly pushed for a candidate that many warned had significant blind spots, no message and was an easy target.

I am sorry all of these inconvenient truths are such a duhversion for you and the other apologists.

 

[Jhhnn]

So it's back to tearing down the dirty Democrats. When do you give us the Bernie woulda won routine?

We should make sure that the FBI investigation into Clinton, and the assumption of her inevitability or desire to protect the legitimacy of her victory, did not in any way influence the handling of what were apparent red flags respective to the Trump campaign.

Nice word salad.

And we should question why the DNC leadership so strongly pushed for a candidate that many warned had significant blind spots, no message and was an easy target.

Dirty Democrats. They shoulda pushed Bernie!

 

[Starbuck1975]

Let’s not refute any of the talking points and instead double down on the usual “correct the record” script

So it's back to tearing down the dirty Democrats.

Never called them dirty. Arrogant and tone deaf perhaps, but not dirty. Never dirty. Clean as the driven snow.

Nice word salad.

Salad is healthy. I do worry though about your health with all these mental gymnastics

They shoulda pushed Bernie!

Yes, they should have