Was this a "transformative" election?

[techs]

I see the world bandied about.
So, does the fact that minorities have seemingly reached the point that it is nearly impossible to win the Presidency going forward without making a strong effort to win their votes, transform the American election landscape and alter permanently the political realities?

Personally I thought it wouldn't happen until about 2020 but the increased turnout of minorities seems have moved it up.

 

[Screech]

billions of dollars spent, same party in senate, same president, same party in house?

Only transformative in the entertaining implosion of the republican party to bickering over whose fault it was...

 

[monovillage]

Not at all, in fact I'm surprised that the Democrats seem so shocked that in the real world nothing much has changed in this election. Obama was and is still president, the Democrats hold a small majority in the Senate and the Republicans hold a sizable majority in the House. Tensions, distrust, anger and hatred between the 2 parties is higher then I've ever seen it and it doesn't look like it's getting any better.

The biggest difference is the possible Supreme Court nominees that Obama may be able nominate. I'm not a praying kind of guy, but I'm going to be praying for the continued health of the conservative members of the SC.

 

[jagec]

Only transformative in the entertaining implosion of the republican party to bickering over whose fault it was...

Which is great, because they may well come out of it looking like a party that I'll actually want to vote for. Even the right-wing pundits are saying that the GOP has to stop listening to the fundies.

 

[finglobes]

"Transformative" is reversing JFK's motto "ask not what your country can do for you" to Obama's idea the Constitution is flawed because it doesn't force wealth redistribution and place gov power over individuals. Obama is THE president founders feared when they wrote Constitution. Good leaders see Constitution as a protection. Power grabbers like Obama see it as an obstacle.

Since Obama the food stamp population is now the size of Spain. Throw in the free phones, the health-care promises, the student loan stuff etc and Obama is just a crack dealer type trying to get people addicted to gov cheese. That's why he enjoys bleak times and won't end them. His admin met with Mexican officials dozens of times to get food stamps to Mexicans. He's actively recruiting illegals to break in to US and get benefits. For Obama the communist, America is just a fatted cow to tie down and divvy up. That's your transformation in a nutshell

Obama administration held dozens of meetings on food stamps with Mexican officials

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ut-mexican-nutrition-awareness/#ixzz2Bhj7XfqY

 

[LumbergTech]

"Transformative" is reversing JFK's motto "ask not what your country can do for you" to Obama's idea the Constitution is flawed because it doesn't force wealth redistribution and place gov power over individuals. Obama is THE president founders feared when they wrote Constitution. Good leaders see Constitution as a protection. Power grabbers like Obama see it as an obstacle.

Since Obama the food stamp population is now the size of Spain. Throw in the free phones, the health-care promises, the student loan stuff etc and Obama is just a crack dealer type trying to get people addicted to gov cheese. That's why he enjoys bleak times and won't end them. His admin met with Mexican officials dozens of times to get food stamps to Mexicans. He's actively recruiting illegals to break in to US and get benefits. For Obama the communist, America is just a fatted cow to tie down and divvy up. That's your transformation in a nutshell

Obama administration held dozens of meetings on food stamps with Mexican officials

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ut-mexican-nutrition-awareness/#ixzz2Bhj7XfqY

Keep up the bullshit. You guys will never win again with that attitude.

 

[Siddhartha]

I see the world bandied about.
So, does the fact that minorities have seemingly reached the point that it is nearly impossible to win the Presidency going forward without making a strong effort to win their votes, transform the American election landscape and alter permanently the political realities?

Personally I thought it wouldn't happen until about 2020 but the increased turnout of minorities seems have moved it up.

It will probably take another federal election cycle or two before the reality of a changed electorial demographic really sinks in for the GOP. The number of the GOP leaders and talking heads claiming that Hurricane Sandy is the reason Mr Romney lost screams that the GOP is still in denial.

It will probably take losing control of the House in 2014 and the White House in 2016 to wake them up. Perhaps the GOP can not change and will become a regional party of the Southern States.

Do you think Republicans will be talking about rape anytime soon?

 

[finglobes]

This is a good bit on "transformation" by Peter Hitchens (Christopher's bro)

"As I walked, I crossed another of Washington's secret frontiers. There had been a few white people blowing car horns and shouting, as the result became clear. But among the Mexicans, Salvadorans and the other Third World nationalities, there was something like ecstasy.

They grasped the real significance of this moment. They knew it meant that America had finally switched sides in a global cultural war. Forget the Cold War, or even the Iraq War. The United States, having for the most part a deeply conservative people, had until now just about stood out against many of the mistakes which have ruined so much of the rest of the world.

Suspicious of welfare addiction, feeble justice and high taxes, totally committed to preserving its own national sovereignty, unabashedly Christian in a world part secular and part Muslim, suspicious of the Great Global Warming panic, it was unique.


These strengths had been fading for some time, mainly due to poorly controlled mass immigration and to the march of political correctness. They had also been weakened by the failure of America's conservative party - the Republicans - to fight on the cultural and moral fronts.

They preferred to posture on the world stage. Scared of confronting Left-wing teachers and sexual revolutionaries at home, they could order soldiers to be brave on their behalf in far-off deserts. And now the US, like Britain before it, has begun the long slow descent into the Third World. How sad. Where now is our last best hope on Earth?"

"The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-America--best-hope-Earth.html#ixzz2BhmjHr6u

 

[finglobes]

obamadupe

 

[schneiderguy]

I see the world bandied about.
So, does the fact that minorities have seemingly reached the point that it is nearly impossible to win the Presidency going forward without making a strong effort to win their votes, transform the American election landscape and alter permanently the political realities?

Personally I thought it wouldn't happen until about 2020 but the increased turnout of minorities seems have moved it up.

So if you want to become President now you have to promise minority groups free shit. Great.

Also, why are Asians never included in the list of minority groups that Democrats pander to? Is it because they can actually *gasp* provide for themselves without the government taking money away from white males?

 

[rockyct]

This is a good bit on "transformation" by Peter Hitchens (Christopher's bro)

"As I walked, I crossed another of Washington's secret frontiers. There had been a few white people blowing car horns and shouting, as the result became clear. But among the Mexicans, Salvadorans and the other Third World nationalities, there was something like ecstasy.

They grasped the real significance of this moment. They knew it meant that America had finally switched sides in a global cultural war. Forget the Cold War, or even the Iraq War. The United States, having for the most part a deeply conservative people, had until now just about stood out against many of the mistakes which have ruined so much of the rest of the world.

Suspicious of welfare addiction, feeble justice and high taxes, totally committed to preserving its own national sovereignty, unabashedly Christian in a world part secular and part Muslim, suspicious of the Great Global Warming panic, it was unique.


These strengths had been fading for some time, mainly due to poorly controlled mass immigration and to the march of political correctness. They had also been weakened by the failure of America's conservative party - the Republicans - to fight on the cultural and moral fronts.

They preferred to posture on the world stage. Scared of confronting Left-wing teachers and sexual revolutionaries at home, they could order soldiers to be brave on their behalf in far-off deserts. And now the US, like Britain before it, has begun the long slow descent into the Third World. How sad. Where now is our last best hope on Earth?"

"The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-America--best-hope-Earth.html#ixzz2BhmjHr6u

Keep up the faux reality bubble. Rove still may have a chance of getting Ohio called for Romney.

 

[MarkLuvsCS]

"...the Democrats hold a small majority in the Senate and the Republicans hold a sizable majority in the House...."

Senate: 53 Democrats (53%) // 45 Republicans (45%)
House: 193 Democrats (44.3%) // 233 Republicans (53.6%)

I would love to find how you rank things in general. So if it's "your" side of the argument it's sizable, but if its "their" side of the argument it's small?

I would say both parties hold a small majority in their respective part of congress. Although who am I to let numbers and facts dictate information.

 

[rockyct]

So if you want to become President now you have to promise minority groups free shit. Great.

Also, why are Asians never included in the list of minority groups that Democrats pander to? Is it because they can actually *gasp* provide for themselves without the government taking money away from white males?

Well, I think Obama does pander to them but in a more targeted way. Either way, Obama locked them up pretty good: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-asian-americans-obama-election-20121108,0,2086805.story

Obama actually had a larger margin with Asian-Americans than with Latinos.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Also, why are Asians never included in the list of minority groups that Democrats pander to?

Republicans aren't particularly bent on taking away their rights.

Minorities mostly come to the Democratic party because Republicans are racists. All we have to say is, "We're not, bro. You're an American to us." But Republicans seem to mostly pretend Asians don't exist, so there seems to be little active or passive oppression on that front.
Asians seem to be Democrats when they're Liberals.

 

[Siddhartha]

So if you want to become President now you have to promise minority groups free shit. Great.

Also, why are Asians never included in the list of minority groups that Democrats pander to? Is it because they can actually *gasp* provide for themselves without the government taking money away from white males?

Please, please, please keep thinking that giving "those people" free stuff was the main driver in the 2012 election.

Links:

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=USP00p1


Whites:

2008: 43% Obama 55% McCain
2012: 39% Obama 59% Romney

breakdown of white vote by gender:

white men:

2008: 41% Obama 57% McCain
2012: 35% Obama 62% Romney

white women:

2008: 46% Obama 53% McCain
2012: 42% Obama 56% Romney

African-American:

2008: 95% Obama 4% McCain
2012: 93% Obama 6% Romney

Latino:

2008: 67% Obama 31% McCain
2012: 71% Obama 27% Romney

Asian:

2008: 62% Obama 35% McCain
2012: 73% Obama 26% Romney

Other:

2008: 66% Obama 31% McCain
2012: 58% Obama 38% McCain

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251229833

 

[DominionSeraph]

Please, please, please keep thinking that giving "those people" free stuff was the main driver in the 2012 election.

Conservatards gonna 'tard.

 

[RabidMongoose]

So if you want to become President now you have to promise minority groups free shit. Great.

Also, why are Asians never included in the list of minority groups that Democrats pander to? Is it because they can actually *gasp* provide for themselves without the government taking money away from white males?

Most of the entitlements expenses are from social security and medicare, which is largely old white people (the largest portion of the GOP base). So it's really the GOP that is giving its people the most free shit.

And the GOP is the only party that is pandering to anyone. They pander to angry white men. The Democrats do not pander to anyone. You can't pander to each individual group since they're all so diverse. Democrats won asians, blacks, hispanics, jews, women, gays, native americans, etc. That is a broad coalition. But the Romney backers were almost completely white and overhwelmingly men. If you only have one group of people in your group, then you likely pandered to them.

 

[monovillage]

Senate: 53 Democrats (53%) // 45 Republicans (45%)
House: 193 Democrats (44.3%) // 233 Republicans (53.6%)

I would love to find how you rank things in general. So if it's "your" side of the argument it's sizable, but if its "their" side of the argument it's small?

I would say both parties hold a small majority in their respective part of congress. Although who am I to let numbers and facts dictate information.

2 Independents........ ooops.

 

[sportage]

This kind of thinking pisses me off.
Here again, suggesting minorities are less American. Or not equal in citizenship.
When a disaster strikes, like Sandy, or 911, you don't qualify that person who shows up on your doorstep to offer help so that you might survive. Regardless of the skin color, or accent, you are like family in that one moment.

But that same person having the same right to vote somehow pisses you off?
I feel America will never be right with itself until those that wish be be part of America, and live as an American, can do so without being treated as less equal just because of their heritage.

There are a hell of a lot of illegals in America, good people, working hard every day, living in fear but still working just as hard as any other legal citizen.
They clean, they build, they contribute to the good of America.
All they want is that American dream.
All they seek is a part in the American dream.

They should have a path to that dream, plain and simple.
It is the right thing to do. And the just thing to do.
And if some people feel threatened by that, I feel sorry for you.

 

[Socio]

So if you want to become President now you have to promise minority groups free shit. Great.

Also, why are Asians never included in the list of minority groups that Democrats pander to? Is it because they can actually *gasp* provide for themselves without the government taking money away from white males?

Yep Asians have the highest college graduation rate and success rates of any race in the US including Whites and they did not need any legislation, constitutional amendments or special treatment of any kind to do it.

Amazing what applying yourself instead of holding your hand out can do.

 

[Socio]

This kind of thinking pisses me off.
Here again, suggesting minorities are less American. Or not equal in citizenship.
When a disaster strikes, like Sandy, or 911, you don't qualify that person who shows up on your doorstep to offer help so that you might survive. Regardless of the skin color, or accent, you are like family in that one moment.

But that same person having the same right to vote somehow pisses you off?
I feel America will never be right with itself until those that wish be be part of America, and live as an American, can do so without being treated as less equal just because of their heritage.

There are a hell of a lot of illegals in America, good people, working hard every day, living in fear but still working just as hard as any other legal citizen.
They clean, they build, they contribute to the good of America.
All they want is that American dream.
All they seek is a part in the American dream.

They should have a path to that dream, plain and simple.
It is the right thing to do. And the just thing to do.
And if some people feel threatened by that, I feel sorry for you.

Take off the rose colored glasses for crap sake!

They are breaking the law and should be in fear and are here to leech off the system, for them America is something to be taken and they are taking.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/09/census-data-high-immigrant-participation-on-welfare-rolls/

Using U.S. Census Bureau data from 2010 and 2011, the group analyzed the more than 50 million legal and illegal immigrants and their American-born children under 18 years of age. Large numbers, the limited immigration advocacy group found, are struggling in poverty, reliant on welfare and uninsured.

The study found that in 2010, 36 percent of immigrant-headed households receive benefits from at least one welfare program, compared to just 23 percent of households headed by U.S. natives. Among households with children, immigrant welfare households outnumbered non-immigrants by a similarly wide margin: 57 percent to 40 percent.

For every dollar they take is one less spent on a needy American, for every job they take is one more American out of work, if you are ok with that then I question your loyalty to America and its people.

 

[SandEagle]

billions of dollars spent, same party in senate, same president, same party in house?

Only transformative in the entertaining implosion of the republican party to bickering over whose fault it was...

it would have just been better to flip a coin ( or battle with swords?) and pick the president based on that outcome. then use the money saved to put it towards education, healthcare, infrastructure, etc. that would yield a better return over four years.

instead Romney spend was it close to a billion for this election? that was one expensive job interview for a job he wasn't qualified for to begin with :hmm:

 

[HomerJS]

"Transformative" is reversing JFK's motto "ask not what your country can do for you" to Obama's idea the Constitution is flawed because it doesn't force wealth redistribution and place gov power over individuals. Obama is THE president founders feared when they wrote Constitution. Good leaders see Constitution as a protection. Power grabbers like Obama see it as an obstacle.

Since Obama the food stamp population is now the size of Spain. Throw in the free phones, the health-care promises, the student loan stuff etc and Obama is just a crack dealer type trying to get people addicted to gov cheese. That's why he enjoys bleak times and won't end them. His admin met with Mexican officials dozens of times to get food stamps to Mexicans. He's actively recruiting illegals to break in to US and get benefits. For Obama the communist, America is just a fatted cow to tie down and divvy up. That's your transformation in a nutshell

Obama administration held dozens of meetings on food stamps with Mexican officials

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ut-mexican-nutrition-awareness/#ixzz2Bhj7XfqY

Exactly by how much did Obama increase food stamp elegibility? I'll answer it, ZERO! Another pull it out your ass talking point with no basis in fact. More people are on food stamps because of the recession given to the country by whom???

 

[Mursilis]

Most of the entitlements expenses are from social security and medicare, which is largely old white people (the largest portion of the GOP base). So it's really the GOP that is giving its people the most free shit.

Wow. I guess they don't teach history in school anymore. FDR and Johnson would be stunned to learn they were Republicans, if they were still alive.

 

[techs]

Not at all, in fact I'm surprised that the Democrats seem so shocked that in the real world nothing much has changed in this election. Obama was and is still president, the Democrats hold a small majority in the Senate and the Republicans hold a sizable majority in the House. Tensions, distrust, anger and hatred between the 2 parties is higher then I've ever seen it and it doesn't look like it's getting any better.

But Democratic House candidates received MORE votes than Republican House candidates and only have more seats due to gerrymandering.

Going forward it will be harder and harder for Republicans to continue this since as they become a smaller percentage of the population it gets harder and harder to gerrymander enough seats.

In fact, I read that if the Dems had gotten one to one and half percent more votes for the House nationwide they would have had an equal number of seats. And demographics are about to make this a reality.