Was the US better off before or after George W Bush?

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Take a look at all the socialist leaning countries and try to point out how being a socialist country made them better off now???

I find it odd that in this thread about Bush, you keep bringing up Obama and socialism. Are you int he wrong thread, just looking for any reason to bash Obama, or are you just that daft to think what you are saying is relevant?

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: retrospooty
If you care to comment on the topic - Bush, feel free. You seem much more interested in changing the subject to Obama and just insulting me for staying on topic.

The natural flow of such a discussion would carry right into Obama... especially after so many pages. Why are you so afraid to talk about Bush's obvious failures and then speculate whether Obama is making equally disastrous mistakes? It's not off topic. It's called dynamic discussion.

Besides, I didn't insult you for staying on topic. I insulted you for being stupid. Halliburton? I mean really? Presided over the worst economic disaster? Is it really that black and white to you? I really hope not. I hope you're prepared to judge Obama by that metric.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: retrospooty
He will get the blame and anger until we are out of the shithole

This is why you're stupid. You can't see that your current leader isn't doing us ANY favors, and is only digging us further into the shithole.

But if your blindness makes you happy, then grab your pitchfork and bitch about Bush for the next four years.

And the reason you're stupid is because you don't(can't?) realize that once your covered with shit, a little more isn't going to make much of a difference one way or the other.

Obama MAY yet turn out to be a pied piper, but Bush most def was a pied piper.

 

[Siddhartha]

As I posted earlier, I started this thread to get an idea how many thought the US was in better shape before, ~75%, or after, ~14%, Mr Bush's presidency. And in the best of all worlds, I was hoping that people would comment on what thought about their choice.

Someone pointed out that there are groups who were better off after Mr Bush's presidency. The wealthy who paid less taxes and people who financially benefitted from the wars.

I experienced face\palm when people either attacked the OP and or tried to change the thread's subject to Mr Obama. I guess if you thought Mr Bush did no wrong and was above any form of criticism this thread could elicit an emotional response but that was not my purpose. As I pointed out a number of times, the thread was about two specific periods in history. I even put dates in the poll to avoid confusion.

Siddhartha

 

[Possessed Freak]

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Interesting results now that the poll has been around for a while. 75% of us think that the country is in worse shape since Bush.

That speaks volumes. Even most republicans admit the man was a disaster.

1. Presided over the worst attack on US soil in history. Ignored multiple warnings it was coming.
2. Presided over the the worst economic disaster since the great depression.
3. Got us into a war based on lies - even though the rest of the ENTIRE FREE WORLD was against it.
4. Alienated us from our allies with ignorant tactics .
5. Allowed Bin Laden a free pass while he concentrated his real goal in Iraq - to make Halliburton and others rich

need we say more ? And reps wonder why we still bring up Bush and blame Bush... because we are still in the shithole he dug for us. He will get the blame and anger until we are out of the shithole, then he will just be a laughing stock.

Is there even anyone left that openly defends him (besides Cheney LOL)?

Can I play this game too...
1. Lincoln presided over the greatest American loss of life.
2. Lincoln presided over an equally devastating economic crisis with the succession of the South.
3. Lincoln's failure to come to a resolution painted him as a warmonger in the failure to recognize the succession as a legal or separate state of power.
4. Lincoln alienated countrymen themselves.
5. Allowed General Sherman to engage in total war including the burning of cities. He was awarded for this and became General of the Army after Grant became President.

I guess Lincoln is a horrible president?

I am not defending Bush, but you can see when you pick and choose you can make one of the best presidents into a monster.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Interesting results now that the poll has been around for a while. 75% of us think that the country is in worse shape since Bush.

That speaks volumes. Even most republicans admit the man was a disaster.

1. Presided over the worst attack on US soil in history. Ignored multiple warnings it was coming.
2. Presided over the the worst economic disaster since the great depression.
3. Got us into a war based on lies - even though the rest of the ENTIRE FREE WORLD was against it.
4. Alienated us from our allies with ignorant tactics .
5. Allowed Bin Laden a free pass while he concentrated his real goal in Iraq - to make Halliburton and others rich

need we say more ? And reps wonder why we still bring up Bush and blame Bush... because we are still in the shithole he dug for us. He will get the blame and anger until we are out of the shithole, then he will just be a laughing stock.

Is there even anyone left that openly defends him (besides Cheney LOL)?

Can I play this game too...
1. Lincoln presided over the greatest American loss of life.
2. Lincoln presided over an equally devastating economic crisis with the succession of the South.
3. Lincoln's failure to come to a resolution painted him as a warmonger in the failure to recognize the succession as a legal or separate state of power.
4. Lincoln alienated countrymen themselves.
5. Allowed General Sherman to engage in total war including the burning of cities. He was awarded for this and became General of the Army after Grant became President.

I guess Lincoln is a horrible president?

I am not defending Bush, but you can see when you pick and choose you can make one of the best presidents into a monster.

sure, but you are putting up some negative views of Lincoln, and ingoring all the positive. with Bush, the positive does not exist that I am aware of. Unless you can point it out for me. Looking at the poll #'s in this forum, or for that matter looking at his satisfaction polls nationally, the country does seem to agree with me.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: retrospooty
If you care to comment on the topic - Bush, feel free. You seem much more interested in changing the subject to Obama and just insulting me for staying on topic.

Why are you so afraid to talk about Bush's obvious failures and then speculate whether Obama is making equally disastrous mistakes?

Besides, I didn't insult you for staying on topic. I insulted you for being stupid. Halliburton? I mean really? Presided over the worst economic disaster? Is it really that black and white to you? I really hope not. I hope you're prepared to judge Obama by that metric.

I am not afraid at all to talk about Obama... I don't feel he made a mistake, I feel he did what was neccesary to help resolve a mess that he didn't cause. Whether he spent all that money or not, we are still screwed. One way, we have massive debt, the other we have depression. Obviously you see that part differently. Only time will tell which of us is correct. Until then, we are BOTH just speculating.

No its not black and white - its extremely complicated, but this is a forum, and I dont have the time or inclination to type up a several paragraph summary of Bush's monumental fuck-ups. Its called a quick summary, and not one thing you or anyone else here has been able to paint Bush's monumental fuck-ups in a positive light. The best thing anyone can say is he kept us safe since 9/11 .... Big deal. The security changes that occured after 9/11 would have happened regardless of who was president.... You know what wouldnt have happened, if someone else were pres... Taking our troops and focus out of Afganistan and going into Iraq.

And yes, Halliburton, Blackwater and other corporate allies of the Bush regime got rich. When a bridge destroyed by our bombing gets bid on to be rebuilt, and the Iraqi company that built it int he first place bid's 5 million dollars to do a portion of work , and Halliburton bids 50 milllion to do the same work - Halliburton wins the bid.... Not to mention all the "no bid" contracts they just won outright... Yes, its a scam . THAT is where your tax dollars go. Overpurchasing unneeded items to govt. officials corporate sponsors.


Are you seriously defending Bush here or are you just trying to change the subject? Either way your failing.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Are you seriously defending Bush here or are you just trying to change the subject? Either way your failing.

I was going to respond to everything else you were saying until I saw this and realized you possess zero reading comprehension ability.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Are you seriously defending Bush here or are you just trying to change the subject? Either way your failing.

I was going to respond to everything else you were saying until I saw this and realized you possess zero reading comprehension ability.

Nice cop out... This way you retain your dignity without having to debate anything I said - which would lead to obvious failure.

Yes, as you posted above I am just stupid, and have no reading comprehension.

/rolls eyes.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Doesn't matter who was President in 2000, After 2001 9/11 the American politics was changed forever. What would have happened if A Dem. Was president at the time . Would it have changed anything . I doubt it would. 9/11changed America forever . The setting president just happened to be BUSH . How would have Clinton handled it? Pass out cigars with Monica essense?

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Doesn't matter who was President in 2000, After 2001 9/11 the American politics was changed forever. What would have happened if A Dem. Was president at the time . Would it have changed anything . I doubt it would. 9/11changed America forever . The setting president just happened to be BUSH . How would have Clinton handled it? Pass out cigars with Monica essense?

Of course it would have changed no matter what, but I disagree with at least part of your contention.

If a dem were in office, or even most other reps, would we have virtually stopped the war in Afganistan and went into Iraq against the will of the UN and all our allies? Would we have wasted years and years of effort, and thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars fighting a fight that cannot be won? Iraq has been violenty taken over again and again and again, since the days of babylon and mesopotamia, and perpetually at war since history began. When we are gone, it will go back to its roots eventually. The factions there will never get along.

Would we have alienated ourselves from the rest of the world with cowboy politics?
Would we have the world looking down on us for using illegal torture tactics?

There is a lot that a prez influences. Granted Bush had a tough hill to climb with 9/11, but he cocked it up bad instead of making it better.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
It was the same, overall. Just like it's the same under Obama. The President doesn't actually have that much effect overall.

The question should be whether it was better or worse before or after Dem control of Congress, imo.

But I won't ask that one. :laugh:

That is the real question . As it is the senate and congress that make policy. Dems/Rep both the same differant faces is all same policies.

 

[techs]

Was the cat better off before or after he got "fixed"


/thread

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Are you seriously defending Bush here or are you just trying to change the subject? Either way your failing.

I was going to respond to everything else you were saying until I saw this and realized you possess zero reading comprehension ability.

Nice cop out... This way you retain your dignity without having to debate anything I said - which would lead to obvious failure.

No, chump, it wasn't a cop out. In no way have I AT ALL defended Bush, yet you seem to think I did. That reinforces the notion that you're stupid and have no reading comprehension abilities.

So tell me, why would I defend myself to an idiot with little ability to read?

Answer: I wouldn't.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Interesting results now that the poll has been around for a while. 75% of us think that the country is in worse shape since Bush.

That speaks volumes. Even most republicans admit the man was a disaster.

1. Presided over the worst attack on US soil in history. Ignored multiple warnings it was coming.
2. Presided over the the worst economic disaster since the great depression.
3. Got us into a war based on lies - even though the rest of the ENTIRE FREE WORLD was against it.
4. Alienated us from our allies with ignorant tactics .
5. Allowed Bin Laden a free pass while he concentrated his real goal in Iraq - to make Halliburton and others rich

need we say more ? And reps wonder why we still bring up Bush and blame Bush... because we are still in the shithole he dug for us. He will get the blame and anger until we are out of the shithole, then he will just be a laughing stock.

Is there even anyone left that openly defends him (besides Cheney LOL)?

Can I play this game too...
1. Lincoln presided over the greatest American loss of life.
2. Lincoln presided over an equally devastating economic crisis with the succession of the South.
3. Lincoln's failure to come to a resolution painted him as a warmonger in the failure to recognize the succession as a legal or separate state of power.
4. Lincoln alienated countrymen themselves.
5. Allowed General Sherman to engage in total war including the burning of cities. He was awarded for this and became General of the Army after Grant became President.

I guess Lincoln is a horrible president?

I am not defending Bush, but you can see when you pick and choose you can make one of the best presidents into a monster.

I've been saying that for years.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Are you seriously defending Bush here or are you just trying to change the subject? Either way your failing.

I was going to respond to everything else you were saying until I saw this and realized you possess zero reading comprehension ability.

Nice cop out... This way you retain your dignity without having to debate anything I said - which would lead to obvious failure.

No, chump, it wasn't a cop out. In no way have I AT ALL defended Bush, yet you seem to think I did. That reinforces the notion that you're stupid and have no reading comprehension abilities.

So tell me, why would I defend myself to an idiot with little ability to read?

Answer: I wouldn't.

Read the title of the thread - and read my post and your reply again (pasted below). the title and my post are all about Bush. This entire topic is Bush and how people view the results of his 8 years. You are all over my ass in this thread. Stay on topic or STFU. You change the subject to Obama, and call me stupid, and then say I lack reading comprehension.

Again, ask yourself what this thread is about and what my post is about, then read your first reply to me and tell me about MY reading comprehension skills - dumbass.

Let me guess, you voted for Bush?

LOL - loser.

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Interesting results now that the poll has been around for a while. 75% of us think that the country is in worse shape since Bush.

That speaks volumes. Even most republicans admit the man was a disaster.

1. Presided over the worst attack on US soil in history. Ignored multiple warnings it was coming.
2. Presided over the the worst economic disaster since the great depression.
3. Got us into a war based on lies - even though the rest of the ENTIRE FREE WORLD was against it.
4. Alienated us from our allies with ignorant tactics .
5. Allowed Bin Laden a free pass while he concentrated his real goal in Iraq - to make Halliburton and others rich

need we say more ? And reps wonder why we still bring up Bush and blame Bush... because we are still in the shithole he dug for us. He will get the blame and anger until we are out of the shithole, then he will just be a laughing stock.

Is there even anyone left that openly defends him (besides Cheney LOL)?

Originally posted by: jbourne77
This is why you're stupid. You can't see that your current leader isn't doing us ANY favors, and is only digging us further into the shithole.

But if your blindness makes you happy, then grab your pitchfork and bitch about Bush for the next four years.

 

[SilentZero]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: piasabird
Take a look at all the socialist leaning countries and try to point out how being a socialist country made them better off now???

I find it odd that in this thread about Bush, you keep bringing up Obama and socialism. Are you int he wrong thread, just looking for any reason to bash Obama, or are you just that daft to think what you are saying is relevant?

I think he is Hannity's and Limbaugh's love child :disgust:

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: SilentZero

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: piasabird
Take a look at all the socialist leaning countries and try to point out how being a socialist country made them better off now???

I find it odd that in this thread about Bush, you keep bringing up Obama and socialism. Are you int he wrong thread, just looking for any reason to bash Obama, or are you just that daft to think what you are saying is relevant?

I think he is Hannity's and Limbaugh's love child :disgust:

LOL...

Ewe... I just pictured what this beast must look like.

 

[Nemesis 1]

This poll is all wrong . Question should not be about Bush. Question should be was US better Off Befor 9/11 or After. You people mostly deny funny happennings durring 9/11 I can understand that . But this question suggest that 9/11 never happened. What if 9/11 didn't happen ? What would the Bush years been like? We will never know . As for the Housing thing that was set up by Clinton. This is Unfair poll. Because 9/11 happened it was real. Thats what changed History forever.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
This poll is all wrong . Question should not be about Bush. Question should be was US better Off Befor 9/11 or After. You people mostly deny funny happennings durring 9/11 I can understand that . But this question suggest that 9/11 never happened. What if 9/11 didn't happen ? What would the Bush years been like? We will never know . As for the Housing thing that was set up by Clinton. This is Unfair poll. Because 9/11 happened it was real. Thats what changed History forever.

It did change everything. After 9/11 the whole world rallied around the USA. Bush's actions afterward blew it. Going into Afganistan and taking out the Taliban = great. Removing troops and focus from Afganistan to invade Iraq against the will and advice of the rest of the world is when we went downhill fast.

We are not worse off because of 9/11. most people would say we are much stronger now because of it. We are worse off because of what Bush did as president.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Looks around for nearest reservation to get way from such insanity. Now Obama takes us deeper into Afganestan. You speak with forked tongue. No troops home from Iraq as promised befor election . So far the Guy has lied about everthing.

The month of june approaches. that leaves 2 1/2 years to 12/21/12. Soon we can put all BS to rest . Awake to trueth. Its an ugly trueth tho. So far Obama has NOT done right thing.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Looks around for nearest reservation to get way from such insanity. Now Obama takes us deeper into Afganestan. You speak with forked tongue. No troops home from Iraq as promised befor election . So far the Guy has lied about everthing.

The month of june approaches. that leaves 2 1/2 years to 12/21/12. Soon we can put all BS to rest . Awake to trueth. Its an ugly trueth tho. So far Obama has NOT done right thing.

This thread is not about Mr Obama. I even put that in the OP. Why do you need to change the thread's subject to Mr Obama?

 

[Nemesis 1]

9/11 started this . Its not over by along shot . The only think over is Bush. Nothing has Changed for the Better. So until we see what Obama does he is in this. Because in 4 years he maybe out . You will have another Poll which will ask if were better off befor Obama or after . It still won't be fair question. Because 9/11 did happen and that what FORCED Choices GOOD or BAD. Same as Obama has choice to expand this thing or pull out as he promised . Not just Iraq But Afganestan also . As Far as fixing economy . I lol. If I was so indebt I couldn't pay debtors . Borrowing more surely isn't ans . to problem LOL.

This is all about 9/11 it doesn't end with BUSH. Now Dems have ball . Keep promises bring troops home world breaths easier.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
. No troops home from Iraq as promised befor election . So far the Guy has lied about everthing.

The month of june approaches. that leaves 2 1/2 years to 12/21/12. Soon we can put all BS to rest . Awake to trueth. Its an ugly trueth tho. So far Obama has NOT done right thing.

What?

You cant just remove all the troops now that we are there. He gave a 16 month timeline to get out. He never said everyone out day one.

If your nutty contention is that the world will end on Dec 21 2012 then why bother with anything at all. Just live it up, because nothing matters.

I cant help but think of how stupid you're gonna feel on Dec 22 and you realaize you have to pay off those credit cards though.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I don't believe for a second the world ends on 12/21/12. I have Zero DEBT . NOT 1 penny. Well see what happens here.