Was the US better off before or after George W Bush?

[piasabird]

Resistance is futile, you will be absorbed by O'Bammah of Borgh!

Beware the Socialist Empire of O'Bammah. We will destory all who oppose us.

It is still too early to tell what total effect all of this spending by O'Bammah and his Hench-Mistress, the supreme ruler of the House, Pelosi, the Beast of Darkness, ruler of the Western Realms will have on our economy. All I see so far is the value of the dollar falling like a rock, and people who can not find employment anywhere being kicked out of their homes. If you call that being better off, maybe you are blind and dumb.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I think most of these threads are purposely trying to set expectations low for Obama as they realize is isn't doing much to change things for the better.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

After 8 years of Bush, are we better off? Certainly not. Some of our fucked'ness is coincidental, some of it is directly attributable to the man. Will we be better off after 4 years of Obama?

It's not looking good. I know we're only ~6 months in, but the number of mistakes he's managed to squeeze into that time frame doesn't inspire confidence for the next 3.5 years.

No, this thread is not about Mr Obama. Why do some posters bring up Mr Obama in a thread about how people think about the US before he was elected?

Because the question begs further discussion. Quit getting your panties in such a twist just because people take it in its natural direction :roll: . I answered the question, then I expounded; so what.

I am trying to avoid any confusion about what the subject of the thread.

 

[Nebor]

As a huge Bush supporter, I find it difficult to argue that the world isn't worse off today than after he took office in 2000. I don't think he had much to do with that though.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Resistance is futile, you will be absorbed by O'Bammah of Borgh!

Beware the Socialist Empire of O'Bammah. We will destory all who oppose us.

It is still too early to tell what total effect all of this spending by O'Bammah and his Hench-Mistress, the supreme ruler of the House, Pelosi, the Beast of Darkness, ruler of the Western Realms will have on our economy. All I see so far is the value of the dollar falling like a rock, and people who can not find employment anywhere being kicked out of their homes. If you call that being better off, maybe you are blind and dumb.

I feel ashamed to even live in the same country as you.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: Nebor
As a huge Bush supporter, I find it difficult to argue that the world isn't worse off today than after he took office in 2000. I don't think he had much to do with that though.

:roll:

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: Nebor
As a huge Bush supporter, I find it difficult to argue that the world isn't worse off today than after he took office in 2000. I don't think he had much to do with that though.

I agree with you wholeheartedly: I also believe that Bush failed to do anything to reverse the worsening global situation during two consecutive terms of office.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: Nebor
As a huge Bush supporter, I find it difficult to argue that the world isn't worse off today than after he took office in 2000. I don't think he had much to do with that though.

I agree with you wholeheartedly: I also believe that Bush failed to do anything to reverse the worsening global situation during two consecutive terms of office.

Yeah, I'd say that's about right.

 

[ccbadd]

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: ccbadd

You might not be the sharpest tack in the box, but you are somewhat correct on this statement. This country always does better when one party has congress and the other has the white house so that congress was indeed partly responsible for the Reagan economy. The congress under Clinton was equally responsible for the prosperity during his tenure. Glad you could stumble on to that one. To bad you get lost in the mindless "you republican/conservative/whatever else you can think of" BS to notice it through thought and understanding.

Why do I get such a strong sense of irony from this post? Oh, yeah - it's because a mindless partisan mental midget is accusing me of being a mindless partisan mental midget. It's downright funny to hear you talking about thought and understanding when your first post could place you in the mindless troll hall of fame. Even better that you claim the economy does better when different parties control the presidency and congress, right after you blamed the "worse off" part of Bush's term on democratic control of congress. Seriously, just stop embarrassing yourself.

You got me on the congress thing, I will admit my lapse there. As far as the mindless partisan accusation, if you look at the sum of my post you will see I don't care for either side, they are all just a bunch of crooks. The problem I have is with people like you who are true partisan hacks that can not look at the big picture and see the path we are heading in, not to mention how each side, when not in power, only tries to undermine one another for the sake of power and not the good of the country. Some jackass posts a thread like this every week which has no positive effect on anything and only serves to keep everyone pissed and out of focus on what is really going on.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Nebor
As a huge Bush supporter, I find it difficult to argue that the world isn't worse off today than after he took office in 2000. I don't think he had much to do with that though.

Obviously Bush didn't cut taxes enough.:disgust:

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: ccbadd

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: ccbadd

You might not be the sharpest tack in the box, but you are somewhat correct on this statement. This country always does better when one party has congress and the other has the white house so that congress was indeed partly responsible for the Reagan economy. The congress under Clinton was equally responsible for the prosperity during his tenure. Glad you could stumble on to that one. To bad you get lost in the mindless "you republican/conservative/whatever else you can think of" BS to notice it through thought and understanding.

Why do I get such a strong sense of irony from this post? Oh, yeah - it's because a mindless partisan mental midget is accusing me of being a mindless partisan mental midget. It's downright funny to hear you talking about thought and understanding when your first post could place you in the mindless troll hall of fame. Even better that you claim the economy does better when different parties control the presidency and congress, right after you blamed the "worse off" part of Bush's term on democratic control of congress. Seriously, just stop embarrassing yourself.

You got me on the congress thing, I will admit my lapse there. As far as the mindless partisan accusation, if you look at the sum of my post you will see I don't care for either side, they are all just a bunch of crooks. The problem I have is with people like you who are true partisan hacks that can not look at the big picture and see the path we are heading in, not to mention how each side, when not in power, only tries to undermine one another for the sake of power and not the good of the country. Some jackass posts a thread like this every week which has no positive effect on anything and only serves to keep everyone pissed and out of focus on what is really going on.

You just got done blaming all the "worse off" parts of the Bush admin on the dems, then going on a crazed rant about Obama, yet you somehow are calling others partisan hacks...wow. The only partisan hacks are the ones in your little bubble who share your crazed sky-is falling views after the current admin has been in office a whopping 4 months. And don't pretend to be making some greater point about sides undermining each other for power - it's been a staple of American politics since the Adams/Jefferson campaigns of 1800.

 

[ccbadd]

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: ccbadd

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: ccbadd

You might not be the sharpest tack in the box, but you are somewhat correct on this statement. This country always does better when one party has congress and the other has the white house so that congress was indeed partly responsible for the Reagan economy. The congress under Clinton was equally responsible for the prosperity during his tenure. Glad you could stumble on to that one. To bad you get lost in the mindless "you republican/conservative/whatever else you can think of" BS to notice it through thought and understanding.

Why do I get such a strong sense of irony from this post? Oh, yeah - it's because a mindless partisan mental midget is accusing me of being a mindless partisan mental midget. It's downright funny to hear you talking about thought and understanding when your first post could place you in the mindless troll hall of fame. Even better that you claim the economy does better when different parties control the presidency and congress, right after you blamed the "worse off" part of Bush's term on democratic control of congress. Seriously, just stop embarrassing yourself.

You got me on the congress thing, I will admit my lapse there. As far as the mindless partisan accusation, if you look at the sum of my post you will see I don't care for either side, they are all just a bunch of crooks. The problem I have is with people like you who are true partisan hacks that can not look at the big picture and see the path we are heading in, not to mention how each side, when not in power, only tries to undermine one another for the sake of power and not the good of the country. Some jackass posts a thread like this every week which has no positive effect on anything and only serves to keep everyone pissed and out of focus on what is really going on.

You just got done blaming all the "worse off" parts of the Bush admin on the dems, then going on a crazed rant about Obama, yet you somehow are calling others partisan hacks...wow. The only partisan hacks are the ones in your little bubble who share your crazed sky-is falling views after the current admin has been in office a whopping 4 months. And don't pretend to be making some greater point about sides undermining each other for power - it's been a staple of American politics since the Adams/Jefferson campaigns of 1800.

Lost in a liberal black whole!! Get your head out of your ass.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: ccbadd

Lost in a liberal black whole!! Get your head out of your ass.

Keep it up - you're holding up the caricature of a teabag party attender perfectly. :thumbsup:

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: ebaycj

Originally posted by: Red Irish
After Bush? The US certainly appears better after his departure.

Of course it is, we're a kinder & gentler spying, astronomical debt generating war machine.

What you say is true; however, at the very least, Obama represents the lesser of two evils.

Dubya had 8 years to fuck up, Obama's only been in office for a few months and is bound to fuck up just as much if not more than Bush.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Considering we have a new Administration, promising all sorts of change, we sure have a lot of threads about the old Administration and talk radio hosts in this forum. Apparently Obama isn't doing anything which interests anyone.

Because he's not really doing anything.
The problem with politics today is those that call themselves a Republican or a Democrate seem to polarize themselves into that group and only care about their group winning. Winning what? Being the one in power so when no matter what you do everything goes to shit and you get blamed and we repeat the process with the next group? These politicians, and even people on forums that blindly follow one camp or the other need to get a fucking clue and start to see how can WE help America and Americans, not how can we help a certain group of Americans.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: jonks
How bout some data?

Satisified with direction of the country:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/166...eral-Mood-Country.aspx

Consumer confidence:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/160...r-Views-Economy.aspx#3

Consumer views on economy:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/160...r-Views-Economy.aspx#4

As long as people *feel* good, everything's OK!

These are 3 stats illustrating public opinion which certainly is a metric by which one can measure the state of the country. If you want to look at unemployment or number of uninsured or debt or deficit, by all means, show me how those are better in 09.

I already asked above if anyone has a metric to backup their position that the US is better off in 2009. Still waiting.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: jonks
How bout some data?

Satisified with direction of the country:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/166...eral-Mood-Country.aspx

Consumer confidence:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/160...r-Views-Economy.aspx#3

Consumer views on economy:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/160...r-Views-Economy.aspx#4

argumentum ad populum

Ah, so if a much larger percentage of the total populace thinks things are MORE fvcked up now than when Bush first took office, that's a meaningless statistic in determining whether things are in fact more fvcked up. But if YOU think things are LESS fvcked up now than when Bush first took office, then it must be true.

Have I got that right?

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: jonks
How bout some data?

Satisified with direction of the country:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/166...eral-Mood-Country.aspx

Consumer confidence:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/160...r-Views-Economy.aspx#3

Consumer views on economy:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/160...r-Views-Economy.aspx#4

argumentum ad populum

Ah, so if a much larger percentage of the total populace thinks things are MORE fvcked up now than when Bush first took office, that's a meaningless statistic in determining whether things are in fact more fvcked up. But if YOU think things are LESS fvcked up now than when Bush first took office, then it must be true.

Have I got that right?

LOL... are you seriously going to argue that a logical fallacy is actually not a logical fallacy?

Damn... you see something new here every day!!!

If you disagree, take it up with Aristotle.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
The problem with politics today is those that call themselves a Republican or a Democrat seem to polarize themselves into that group and only care about their group winning.

This is Quote of the Year material. I've noticed this, too, and I've spoken to it on a number of occasions. One of my wife's uncles is actually worse than anyone I've encountered on this board. I mean he's just a flat-out total jackass, and he treats this shit like he's rooting for his favorite football team.

Some people's heads are stuck so far up their asses - and their egos so dependent upon "their party" winning and looking less fucked up than the other party - that they've lost all perspective. Instead of actually seeking the truth, it's a matter of who has the better debating skills. Who can sling the most mud with the most wit and hit the other guy over the head with the most numbers.

It's ridiculous.

When you find yourself hoping the current President will fail, you have crossed a very dark, scary line. So many people were rooting against the war in Iraq it was disgusting. They were counting bodies as if they were points against Team Bush. I see the same thing happening with Obama. I'm not saying it's not okay to be critical have use a skeptical eye, but I think we all know what I'm talking about.

 

[blahblah99]

The US had a period of retardation between 2000 - 2008.

 

[Carmen813]

Topic Title: Was the US better off before or after George W Bush?

My answer: Yes.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: piasabird
Resistance is futile, you will be absorbed by O'Bammah of Borgh!

Beware the Socialist Empire of O'Bammah. We will destory all who oppose us.

It is still too early to tell what total effect all of this spending by O'Bammah and his Hench-Mistress, the supreme ruler of the House, Pelosi, the Beast of Darkness, ruler of the Western Realms will have on our economy. All I see so far is the value of the dollar falling like a rock, and people who can not find employment anywhere being kicked out of their homes. If you call that being better off, maybe you are blind and dumb.

I feel ashamed to even live in the same country as you.

I feel ashamed to be the same species... some of us primates have obviously evolved further than others.

 

[retrospooty]

Interesting results now that the poll has been around for a while. 75% of us think that the country is in worse shape since Bush.

That speaks volumes. Even most republicans admit the man was a disaster.

1. Presided over the worst attack on US soil in history. Ignored multiple warnings it was coming.
2. Presided over the the worst economic disaster since the great depression.
3. Got us into a war based on lies - even though the rest of the ENTIRE FREE WORLD was against it.
4. Alienated us from our allies with ignorant tactics .
5. Allowed Bin Laden a free pass while he concentrated his real goal in Iraq - to make Halliburton and others rich

need we say more ? And reps wonder why we still bring up Bush and blame Bush... because we are still in the shithole he dug for us. He will get the blame and anger until we are out of the shithole, then he will just be a laughing stock.

Is there even anyone left that openly defends him (besides Cheney LOL)?

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: retrospooty
He will get the blame and anger until we are out of the shithole

This is why you're stupid. You can't see that your current leader isn't doing us ANY favors, and is only digging us further into the shithole.

But if your blindness makes you happy, then grab your pitchfork and bitch about Bush for the next four years.

 

[piasabird]

Take a look at all the socialist leaning countries and try to point out how being a socialist country made them better off now???

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: retrospooty
He will get the blame and anger until we are out of the shithole

This is why you're stupid. You can't see that your current leader isn't doing us ANY favors, and is only digging us further into the shithole.

But if your blindness makes you happy, then grab your pitchfork and bitch about Bush for the next four years.

This is why I am stupid? You don't know me... You have no idea why I am stupid. LOL

Anyhow, I didn't say anything about Obama. check the first post - this thread is a poll on Bush, and the poll overwhelmingly indicates people think he was a disaster which I commented on. Not bitching, its a discussion thread, I and was discussing the subject matter. Bush will go down as one of the worst in history.

If you care to comment on the topic - Bush, feel free. You seem much more interested in changing the subject to Obama and just insulting me for staying on topic.