Was the Rape of Nanking a myth?

[cybrsage]

No reason to ban someone for not agreeing with everyone else. Einstein did not agree with everyone else that Newton was correct wrt gravity...

Not saying I agree with Anarchist...but banning unpopular views is pretty lame.

 

[irishScott]

No reason to ban someone for not agreeing with everyone else. Einstein did not agree with everyone else that Newton was correct wrt gravity...

Not saying I agree with Anarchist...but banning unpopular views is pretty lame.

How about banning idiots who regularly ask stupid and inflammatory questions for attention? Apparently Anarchist's parents (whom he lives with) have started expecting Anarchist to act like an adult and stopped indulging such behavior, so he comes here and gets off on the negativity.

Then again, I suppose P&N lost its integrity a while ago in most ways, so maybe banning him wouldn't much difference.

 

[cybrsage]

How about banning idiots who regularly ask stupid and inflammatory questions for attention? Apparently Anarchist's parents (whom he lives with) have started expecting Anarchist to act like an adult and stopped indulging such behavior, so he comes here and gets off on the negativity.

Then again, I suppose P&N lost its integrity a while ago in most ways, so maybe banning him wouldn't much difference.

Banning someone for saying things you do not want to hear is not showing integrity.

He is obviously wrong...but he is allowed to be an Obama suppor...um, I mean idiot.

 

[HarryLui]

Let's see. Put "Nanking" in google comes up a bunch of pictures of disfigured human bodies. Myth, right?

 

[Anarchist420]

No reason to ban someone for not agreeing with everyone else. Einstein did not agree with everyone else that Newton was correct wrt gravity...

Not saying I agree with Anarchist...but banning unpopular views is pretty lame.

Thank you

 

[cybrsage]

Popular speech never needs protecting. I still think you are an idiot, but you are allowed to be one.

Besides, if it makes people research more into things then all the better. If it is not true, it will be found out faster when people look into it. If it is true, then the truth will be better learned by people.

 

[jhu]

Then again, I suppose P&N lost its integrity a while ago in most ways, so maybe banning him wouldn't much difference.

If you'll recall, P&N was the refuse from ATOT. Thus there was no integrity to begin with.

 

[Siddhartha]

If you do not like or want to read Anarchist's threads don't click them.

 

[peonyu]

Its not a myth but its nothing special either. Hell, anyone who read up on the Eastern front in WW2 knows that that type of warfare was a everyday occurence. Russia was the nation that truely defeated the Germans in WW2. Dday was a minor battle compared to the Eastern front. 100x more Nankings were seen in Russia compared to China.

 

[cybrsage]

WW2 is the reason why wars are fought the way they are now. The nations with enough technology to do it now actively work to prevent civilian deaths from the bombs, etc.

 

[irishScott]

Banning someone for saying things you do not want to hear is not showing integrity.

He is obviously wrong...but he is allowed to be an Obama suppor...um, I mean idiot.

Yes, he is. I'm just saying that at any public venue he's be shouted down/shunned out of the conversation, and if he kept piping up when he was clearly not wanted he'd be expelled or the conversation would move to an area he couldn't access. At best his presence would be sympathetically tolerated like a little kid whom no one want to make cry, and his arguments would fall on deaf ears. Here on a forum we have no such normal social ability unless one of the mods gets an itchy trigger finger.

If your message doesn't connect to even a single person in the group you're speaking to, then it has no impact except to harden people against said opinion due to it's intrusiveness and is by definition worthless or self-defeating. Either anarchist knows this and is begging for attention or he's an utter moron. Either or both wouldn't surprise me.

 

[squirrel dog]

The Chinese are still pissed about it,so I would think that it did happen as was reported.

 

[Lizardman]

If you want to learn some history trying readng a book. Here is the one I read on the subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rape_of_Nanking_(book)

There are alot more accounts of what happenend than just Chinese or Japanese. This book tells those accounts from the point of view of foreigners (neither Chinese or Japanese, generally European).

If you want to claim something did not happen try having a few facts to back it up, instead of random shit you dreamed up last night.

 

[slayernine]

Let's see. Put "Nanking" in google comes up a bunch of pictures of disfigured human bodies. Myth, right?

That's what they want you to think man, don't you know the government controls the internets

 

[OutHouse]

If you want to claim something did not happen try having a few facts to back it up, instead of random shit you dreamed up last night.

100% agree. all AC does is post inflammatory shit to cause trouble and fuel a flame war. his post have no merit of an actual intelligent discussion.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Can this retard be banned finally? Maybe, he'll then get a job, move out of his parents house, meet a retarded girl and stop being a fucking loser.

 

[NesuD]

A considerable body of evidence exists to support the conclusions of mainstream historians concerning both the Holocaust and The Rape of Nanking. In light of that evidence I am inclined to accept the generally accepted versions of those 2 events. If the OP cannot produce incontrovertible evidence to the contrary then his claims have no basis and I dismiss them out of hand. Thinking that the truth lies somewhere "in between" indicates a delusional mind without corroborating evidence to support that position. The evidence is pretty overwhelming that both the Holocaust and the Rape of Nanking happened just as described in maintream history books. What evidence do you offer to the contrary OP?

 

[Anarchist420]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

It mentions that some people deny it. I don't know whether it happened--I wasn't there. I'm saying that there are some things pointing to the numbers being fabricated (like the Chinese having an entire military to kill deserters) and the fact that Japan emerged from WWII a lot more civilized than China did, but am I saying that it didn't happen? No. Am I stating that I'm 100% certain that the official numbers are fabricated? No. I can only speculate.

 

[BurnItDwn]

I suspect that the real Nanking massacre is far worse than history can remember it. This is simply due to the limitations of using words and the lack of real video footage.

 

[CallMeJoe]

There are alot more accounts of what happenend than just Chinese or Japanese. This book tells those accounts from the point of view of foreigners (neither Chinese or Japanese, generally European)...

Cher Anarchist shall view this as vindication, as everyone knows that Europeans are compulsive liars and genocides.

I'm surprised he's not yet claimed that the Nanking massacres were secretly perpetrated by the English to justify war against the Japanese...

 

[IronWing]

The Japanese had a cool flag and the officers carried swords. Both appeal to the adolescent male mind of the OP so he's trying to square his pubescent fantasies with the disgusting reality of Japanese behavior during that era. In this case, the OP's fantasy kicked reality's ass. "Ninjas weren't really like that."

 

[Lizardman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

It mentions that some people deny it. I don't know whether it happened--I wasn't there. I'm saying that there are some things pointing to the numbers being fabricated (like the Chinese having an entire military to kill deserters) and the fact that Japan emerged from WWII a lot more civilized than China did, but am I saying that it didn't happen? No. Am I stating that I'm 100% certain that the official numbers are fabricated? No. I can only speculate.

So you are speculating... and you are not sure. Here is an idea...

Read the book I posted in my earlier comment a few lines up. Then come back with an informed response. Its a thin book, only a few hundred pages, quick read. I seriously suggest you check it out.

Also your facts you stated above are your opinions and not facts.

Do you just like to inflate your post count? It would seem that may be the case here.

Here is an additional link to the book so you can get it on your kindle.

http://www.amazon.com/Rape-Nanking-F...2532779&sr=8-1

 

[cybrsage]

The Japanese had a cool flag and the officers carried swords. Both appeal to the adolescent male mind of the OP so he's trying to square his pubescent fantasies with the disgusting reality of Japanese behavior during that era. In this case, the OP's fantasy kicked reality's ass. "Ninjas weren't really like that."

As an aside, when I flew into the Narita airport a few decades ago, I saw a sign that said "No Guns or Swords Allowed". Struck me as funny.

 

[feralkid]

Its not a myth but its nothing special either. Hell, anyone who read up on the Eastern front in WW2 knows that that type of warfare was a everyday occurence. Russia was the nation that truely defeated the Germans in WW2. Dday was a minor battle compared to the Eastern front. 100x more Nankings were seen in Russia compared to China.

 

[slayernine]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

It mentions that some people deny it. I don't know whether it happened--I wasn't there. I'm saying that there are some things pointing to the numbers being fabricated (like the Chinese having an entire military to kill deserters) and the fact that Japan emerged from WWII a lot more civilized than China did, but am I saying that it didn't happen? No. Am I stating that I'm 100% certain that the official numbers are fabricated? No. I can only speculate.

... the article about the world being round mentions some people deny it. That just makes you part of the "special" minority that chooses to rally behind an idiotic cause.