Was the Rape of Nanking a myth?

[Anarchist420]

I think that a lot fewer people were killed by the Japanese Imperial Army than is commonly believed. The huge bowls of boiling water could've been non-existent.

I don't know how the myths got started, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was nothing more than Allied war propaganda. The victors tend to write the history books. It's just like with Lincoln. Lincoln is portrayed as the savior of the republic and his racism is ignored while Andrew Johnson's isn't (and he certainly hated rich people more than he hated blacks). I don't hate rich people, but Andrew Johnson wasn't a bad President. He was a bad Vice President, but once he took offfice, he changed his tune as much as the Red Republicans would allow.

 

[irishScott]

No more than your rape of these forums.

 

[Sephire]

oh boy

 

[feralkid]

 

[JohnnyGage]

WTF?!

 

[Howard]

You are a putrid, non-contributing pile of shit.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

WTF is wrong with you. This isn't even a good troll post.

 

[MovingTarget]

Put down the crackpipe and pick up a history book. Or, you know, ask someone who isn't Japanese that lived during those times.

 

[shira]

There's a large consensus among historians about what the Japanese did in Nanking. Read, for example, the Wikipedia article. Is there some new, credible source with convincing evidence that leads you to doubt the consensus?

 

[guyver01]

I think

that's your problem right there. stop!

I don't know

good... good...

the path to enlightenment begins with the admission you dont know something

 

[waggy]

fuck you are a idiot.

 

[irishScott]

There's a large consensus among historians about what the Japanese did in Nanking. Read, for example, the Wikipedia article. Is there some new, credible source with convincing evidence that leads you to doubt the consensus?

Oh you've done it now. Remember Anarchist's definition of "credible" is the same one used by conspiracy theorists. I foresee many links to unreferenced blog posts in this thread's future.

Honestly I've been tempted at times to troll the shit out of Anarchist by making a free blog account somewhere and writing unreferenced posts that coincide with his views, then getting him to do crazy shit based on that trust. Wish I had that kind of time.

 

[shiner]

 

[jhu]

I give this thread 1/10. The only way to go lower is if you also denied the Holocaust.

 

[Dari]

It's hard to believe the Japanese official version. It's also hard to believe the official chinese version. The only place to get the truth is by reading Japanese military archives. Are those available? Apparently, there were horrendous stories in the Japanese papers but I'd like to see hard numbers.

 

[K1052]

It's hard to believe the Japanese official version. It's also hard to believe the official chinese version. The only place to get the truth is by reading Japanese military archives. Are those available? Apparently, there were horrendous stories in the Japanese papers but I'd like to see hard numbers.

Generally the most accurate information came from foreign nationals trapped in the city by the Japanese occupation. These accounts have been thoroughly corroborated and verified by numerous independent witnesses. A lot of the Japanese records were destroyed for obvious reasons.

 

[IronWing]

Quite frankly, IMHO, the OP needs a week off. If nothing else, it will give him time to do some reading and improve the quality of his troll threads.

 

[Anarchist420]

It's hard to believe the Japanese official version. It's also hard to believe the official chinese version. The only place to get the truth is by reading Japanese military archives. Are those available? Apparently, there were horrendous stories in the Japanese papers but I'd like to see hard numbers.

Exactly--the truth probably lies somewhere in between although certainly closer to the Japanese version. I did read that the Chinese shot their own troops when they tried to desert.

 

[hiromizu]

Exactly--the truth probably lies somewhere in between although certainly closer to the Japanese version. I did read that the Chinese shot their own troops when they tried to desert.

and we had the troops cut their own stomach

 

[ShawnD1]

I give this thread 1/10. The only way to go lower is if you also denied the Holocaust.

Best way to win at trolling is to say they deserved it. Jews in holocaust, woman getting raped, guy hit by a bus, etc. They deserved it!

I don't tip because the waiter doesn't deserve it :awe:

 

[Dari]

Generally the most accurate information came from foreign nationals trapped in the city by the Japanese occupation. These accounts have been thoroughly corroborated and verified by numerous independent witnesses. A lot of the Japanese records were destroyed for obvious reasons.

Yeah, that's unfortunate and it implies guilt, which is deserved. But the numbers would've shown how systematic the war crimes were. I know it was systematic in Nazi Germany but I'm not sure if it was policy to kill as many Chinese as possible when the Japanese were there.

 

[ShawnD1]

Yeah, that's unfortunate and it implies guilt, which is deserved. But the numbers would've shown how systematic the war crimes were. I know it was systematic in Nazi Germany but I'm not sure if it was policy to kill as many Chinese as possible when the Japanese were there.

Kinda was. Similar to German going into Russia, China was Japan's lebensraum. Ones that can be put to use are used. The rest are killed.

 

[K1052]

Yeah, that's unfortunate and it implies guilt, which is deserved. But the numbers would've shown how systematic the war crimes were. I know it was systematic in Nazi Germany but I'm not sure if it was policy to kill as many Chinese as possible when the Japanese were there.

Depopulation was part of the occupation plan. The methods varied (disease, overwork, starvation, outright murder) but the goal was the same. The fact that the Japanese weren't quite as organized about it as the Germans were, who set the gold standard for a systematic genocide, doesn't diminish their responsibility.

 

[bfdd]

A friend of mines grandfather was killed in the Rape of Nanking. He holds a different opinion than you.

 

[Ausm]

This X 1,000,000 !