was the EU doomed from the start?

[feralkid]

i feel it here way up in the north east. my cousins in arizona tell me it's like mexico over there.

That's because Arizona WAS Mexico, not because of illegal immigration.

I.E. they were here long before your cousins showed up.

 

[bfdd]

you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

the US is in fact VERY united.
i was born in NY state, but my allegiance is to the United States, not New York.
my family has been in the US for 3 generations and we've freely moved between states multiple times. there is no concept of loyalty to a state with us, and with most US citizens I assume.
the country comes first and foremost, then state/local govt.

can you say the same about the EU ? or does your country come first?
from the current events in europe, it seems most people only care about their country and couldn't give a shit about the rest of the EU.

and the cultural differences are because of all the immigration (mostly illegal central/south american) that has happened in the past 2 decades.

It's weird you say this. I find myself more and more identifying as a Californian than an American, though I tend to hold what are considered "American ideals" dear. We have a vast cultural divide here in the States and it's getting worse with passing years. It's just no where near that of Europes.

My mom is all about the America stuff, her parents migrated here from Lithuania of Lithuanian and Russian heritage to PA, then to CA. I'm born and raised in CA.

 

[Infohawk]

That's because Arizona WAS Mexico, not because of illegal immigration.

I.E. they were here long before your cousins showed up.

You give the impression that the Mexicans in Arizona now have always been there. That's not really the case. Most of them are relatively recent migrants, even if the US did take Mexican lands.

 

[bfdd]

You give the impression that the Mexicans in Arizona now have always been there. That's not really the case. Most of them are relatively recent migrants, even if the US did take Mexican lands.

It's quite silly that people think that shit considering most of the Mexicans who would have been able to claim ownership had left and I believe most of the land hadn't even been privately owned, but owned by the nation of Mexico. Then if you want to get into the heart of it, it is Mexico themselves which setup the loss of their lands by inviting slave owning plantation owners to Texas and then abolishing slavery "soon" after which lead to the whole Texas vs Mexico and eventually the American vs Mexican war. Not to mention all the other retardedness like the Bear Republic basically saying "lols California isn't yours, fuck you Catholics" didn't help.

 

[werepossum]

Did I miss a big news story? All I've heard is that Greece might be flirting with the idea of dropping the euro as its currency, not even that Greece was thinking of leaving the EU. Is it really endangered?

 

[feralkid]

You give the impression that the Mexicans in Arizona now have always been there. That's not really the case. Most of them are relatively recent migrants, even if the US did take Mexican lands.

Funny...You give the impression that the Anglos in Arizona now have always been there. That's not really the case. Most of them are relatively recent migrants, even if the US did take Mexican lands

 

[bfdd]

Did I miss a big news story? All I've heard is that Greece might be flirting with the idea of dropping the euro as its currency, not even that Greece was thinking of leaving the EU. Is it really endangered?

I think it's current form is endangered, but why people are so afraid or worried about change is beyond me. The world has been changing for m(b)illions of years, I'll be more worried when it stops.

 

[CanOWorms]

Funny...You give the impression that the Anglos in Arizona now have always been there. That's not really the case. Most of them are relatively recent migrants, even if the US did take Mexican lands

You're talking about a guy who believes in eugenics and other racial supremacy ideals. He probably thinks that Mexicans and Mexican-Americans are from space.

 

[bfdd]

Funny...You give the impression that the Anglos in Arizona now have always been there. That's not really the case. Most of them are relatively recent migrants, even if the US did take Mexican lands

no one has been in any lands forever. such debates are pointless as no one who laid claim to any such land is alive today and many claims have been laid upon lands owned throughout history. like i said if you want to get into the whole USA has Mexican lands thing we can talk about it and debate, but in all my history research on it it never comes out looking good for Mexico. The Americans involved weren't saints and clearly took advantage of the situation, but Mexico brought it upon themselves and there's no one to blame but their own nation for it.

That is the past, we need to move forward and I love my neighbors to the South for the most part. We disagree on things, but I believe a lot of the problems they have down there we can help by changing our laws slightly and the American people need to back the Mexican people against their insanely corrupt government. It's worse than ours and that's saying something.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

LOL, as usual most Americans have no clue about the difference between the EU and the EMU. Even without the Euro, the EU will still exist

carry on

A European Union will exist for quite some time. The Euro as a monitary unit will not.

 

[feralkid]

no one has been in any lands forever. such debates are pointless as no one who laid claim to any such land is alive today and many claims have been laid upon lands owned throughout history. like i said if you want to get into the whole USA has Mexican lands thing we can talk about it and debate, but in all my history research on it it never comes out looking good for Mexico. The Americans involved weren't saints and clearly took advantage of the situation, but Mexico brought it upon themselves and there's no one to blame but their own nation for it.

That is the past, we need to move forward and I love my neighbors to the South for the most part. We disagree on things, but I believe a lot of the problems they have down there we can help by changing our laws slightly and the American people need to back the Mexican people against their insanely corrupt government. It's worse than ours and that's saying something.

That's not my point at all.

 

[bfdd]

That's not my point at all.

I just don't see a point bringing up old shit like that. It's silly and just detracts from the real conversation. Most Americans are idiots when it comes to the EU and should shut the fuck up about it, just like some of us ask Europeans to shut the fuck up when talking about the USA.

I personally don't see the Euro lasting nor the EU in its current state, but I see the EU as lasting institution with some quirks to work out.

 

[Infohawk]

Funny...You give the impression that the Anglos in Arizona now have always been there. That's not really the case. Most of them are relatively recent migrants, even if the US did take Mexican lands

You know I didn't. And if you think I'm misrepresenting what you said then what was the point of your post? If Blah Blah's cousin complains that Arizona is more Mexican than it used to be he's right according to basically the demographic numbers.

 

[bfdd]

You know I didn't. And if you think I'm misrepresenting what you said then what was the point of your post? If Blah Blah's cousin complains that Arizona is more Mexican than it used to be he's right according to basically the demographic numbers.

He's even more right because even though Mexico at one point "owned" that land, most of it still belonged to tribes of Natives and still does to this day.

 

[feralkid]

You know I didn't. And if you think I'm misrepresenting what you said then what was the point of your post? If Blah Blah's cousin complains that Arizona is more Mexican than it used to be he's right according to basically the demographic numbers.

Sorry, my point was simply that AZ looks a lot like Mexico, because it once WAS Mexico, Not to get into some dark debate over immigration/ conquest.

 

[cybrsage]

For the EU to survive, it must have a stronger central government to control the various states which have agreed to be bound together.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Funny...You give the impression that the Anglos in Arizona now have always been there. That's not really the case. Most of them are relatively recent migrants, even if the US did take Mexican lands

who built up arizona to what it is today?

 

[davmat787]

Personally I think its good we allow anyone to move to the US, since we are all from immigrant backgrounds its how it should be. Europe is what surprises me though, the native people/culture there are white, yet they are allowing themselves to be drowned out by immigrants from a totally different culture who are replacing them at a fast rate. Its Cultural suicide that Europe is doing to itself, and EuRabia is what Europe is going to be at the rate its going in the future.

Are you referring to just legal immigration, illegal immigration, or our current hybrid policy of the two?

I am in favor of a legal immigration policy that is both diverse and sustainable. I don't feel our current policy is. I wonder if some people would feel different if there was waves of boats coming over from China or wherever instead of Mexicans and other South Americans sneaking across the border. Too many people lose their lifes savings or homes, let alone their lives itself, paying off a coyote to get across the border.

Our immigration policy shouldn't be whether or not you can sneak into the country or not, and then live as a pseudo second class citizen while you have children who then get to enjoy full citizenship.

 

[feralkid]

who built up arizona to what it is today?

You mean 49th in education, health care and income?

The Republican controlled legislature, who else?

 

[cybrsage]

Wait, you are saying that, prior to 1994, Arizona was a shining beacon of education, healtcare, and income? Never mind the fact that Arizona had already been in a steady drop in their education ranking for decades.

If I were you, I would blame the drop on the continuous flow of uneducated people into your state via your southern border.

Peyote, less of it you need.