Was Ted Kennedy innocent in the chappaquitick incident?

[Anarchist420]

I think he was because he had low self control and if he couldn't help others in a good way... then he couldn't help himself. If he couldn't help himself, then he couldn't control himself.

FDR had an excuse but not a reason for the massacre at Pearl Harbor, so he was probably innocent too... his reasoning ability was relatively poor compared to civil society.

Hitler, OTOH, had full control over his intuitive mind (and he was perfectly capable of foreseeing the future) and over others so I think he was incredibly culpable... Stalin, FDR, and Churchill damaged civilization more because they could not be civil themselves so they won the war.

In other words, Hitler's self control and civility (considering how poor he was brought up compared to FDR and Churchill) was much higher than that of the other three so Hitler was more culpable... Churchill and Stalin gave Hitler gas, so Hitler didn't like them. Churchill chose to start war and didn't support a pro-refugee policy and by doing so, he let the Jews die. FDR did the same thing on a smaller scale.

If my cumulative reasoning ability isn't above the average of the society I'm in, then I'm completely innocent of not only this post, but everything else I do as well.

Critique/comment on this please.
Don't forget that David Duke is an idiot and that he's of middle eastern palestinian gentile stock rather than pure european. I don't want to be like David Duke and I'm worried that I'm of the same stock that he was born of.

 

[lotus503]

Your innocent

 

[waggy]

wow. it's like you are going chapter by chapter in a history book and then posting it here..

 

[EagleKeeper]

Kennedy was guilty as hell. Why think otherwise. He admitted it

 

[Anarchist420]

Your innocent

You're right... I hate myself because I can never feel the white guilt. The fact that I have such low self control is a good reason not to give me any centralized power and that's may also one day be a good reason to enslave me.

 

[JEDIYoda]

smile dude...Jesus Loves you!!!

 

[IGBT]

he was falling down drunk..that's why he didn't save the girl and waited hours to report the incident..to get his BA low enough to pass a test. The neck brace was his lawyers idea to gain sympathy and let the willing accomplices spin diversions.

 

[halik]

OMG I watch history channel too! Can we be bffs?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Guilty as hell. Everyone knew what he did and that he got off Scott free because of family and politics

 

[JEDIYoda]

He got off scott free because of one word -- Kennedy!! Nuff said!!

 

[Auric]

Churchill chose to start war and didn't support a pro-refugee policy and by doing so, he let the Jews die.

Churchill was indeed known to be a foolhardy imperialist who despised jews and the "feeble classes". But alas, your history is faulty because he was only begrudgingly appointed well into wartime, if not before the general war. He does, however, share blame for prolonging and escalating the war by demanding unconditional surrender, and thus "total war" with unrestricted civilian bombing, and ultimately reneging on promises of self-determination and particularly the independence of Poland (the suppos-ed reason for starting the war in the first place), amongst other atrocities. Also, third-party-wise, it was Poles who bore the brunt of the primary conflict between Germany and Russia, regardless of heritage, though jews may have comprised nearly half of civilian casualties. In any case, the extended war was what caused/enabled civilian atrocities so attempting to justify it afterwards by those is absurd doublethink.

Also, Kennedy: drink driving and/or failing to aide or seek same = culpable of death, if not murder.

 

[sportage]

With all this kennedy talk.
Wow. Just realized this was the first JFK assignation anniversary I totally forgot about. Seems just like yesterday nov 22 1963, 1 something pm cst.

 

[Farang]

Guilty as hell. Everyone knew what he did and that he got off Scott free because of family and politics

I wonder how much of it was this versus him just handling the situation very, very well (from a self-interest point of view). Being a lawyer he knew exactly what he had to do to get out of trouble.

In fact the subsequent investigations may likely have been because he was a Kennedy, not in spite of. A normal person may have just had the charges dropped for lack of evidence.

 

[Matt1970]

I wonder how much of it was this versus him just handling the situation very, very well (from a self-interest point of view). Being a lawyer he knew exactly what he had to do to get out of trouble.

In fact the subsequent investigations may likely have been because he was a Kennedy, not in spite of. A normal person may have just had the charges dropped for lack of evidence.

No, a normal person would have served 10 years for Criminally Negligent Homicide.

 

[Farang]

No, a normal person would have served 10 years for Criminally Negligent Homicide.

No. In my state, you can be drunk and kill someone with your car and you'll probably get 6 months. In this case they couldn't even prove he was drunk, and there's a fair argument in court to say it wasn't his fault (the bridge had no guard rails and was not parallel with the approaching road).

The only thing they could prove he did criminally wrong, and I'm not sure exactly what the crime is, is not report the accident to authorities until the next day. I think with a good lawyer most people would have the case dismissed.

 

[piasabird]

Who cares?

 

[peonyu]

Yes he was a murderer but so was OJ, both got off to.

 

[Lemon law]

From the the infinite well spring of anarchist420 questions with no real answers comes a another brainfart thread to cloud all men's minds. Because only God and the shadow know the real answer and neither GOD or the shadow will tell any of us lesser mortals jack doodlie.

So on the surface of the anarchist420 question, Ted Kennedy was as innocent as the new driven snow because he was a victim of temporary insanity due to self inflicted drunkenness. But still there is no way to wall paper away the fact that Mary Joe Kopenknie died as a result. I would like to believe a sober Ted Kennedy would have gone to heroic efforts to save Mary Joe, but when you are drunk, drunks just don't don't tend to think rationally. I am sure that is a revelation to some, but Ted Kennedy never repeated that mistake.

And now that Ted Kennedy is now pushing up daises in some cemetery, its now up to God to judge his life and his deeds, as Chappaquiddick cost Ted Kennedy the US Presidency. Given the other fuckups that won the Presidency instead, its hard for me to believe a Ted Kennedy Presidency could have been worse.

But maybe its time for this forum to refuse to engage in fruitless speculations that gets none of us anywhere.

 

[openwheel]

if he was never found guilty in a trial, then he is innocent. Period.

Welcome to the greatest country on Earth.

The right wing nut jobs just want the influential liberal senator fall from grace. It's quite sad.

 

[Lemon law]

As I agree with openwheel here, as we are still fighting to same social issues battles Ted Kennedy and his brothers started 50 years ago.

Ted Kennedy is now dead, but maybe his signature line is "THE DREAM NEVER DIES." As we in America and in all other nations will be fighting the same social battles for untold centuries to come.

 

[unokitty]

... his signature line is "THE DREAM NEVER DIES."

While the "Dream may Never Die", Mary Jo Kopechne sure did.

And despite the best legal representation that money can buy and all of the Kennedy influence, he was found guilty of "leaving the scene of an accident causing injury."

Lying about that and calling anyone that thinks differently than you a "nutjob" doesn't change the facts...

Uno

 

[Lemon law]

While the "Dream may Never Die", Mary Jo Kopechne sure did.

And despite the best legal representation that money can buy and all of the Kennedy influence, he was found guilty of "leaving the scene of an accident causing injury."

Lying about that and calling anyone that thinks differently than you a "nutjob" doesn't change the facts...

Uno

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What a somewhat idiotic thing to say, do you seriously think that only Ted Kennedy is or will be the only personality advocating for social change? Or that somehow, because Ted Kennedy had feet of clay, that he discredits all that came before him and all that will come after him?

 

[unokitty]

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What a somewhat idiotic thing ...

Referring to a fact that you don't care for as "idiotic" doesn't change that fact.

It does however demonstrate your intolerance.

Uno

 

[rommelrommel]

I am sure that is a revelation to some, but Ted Kennedy never repeated that mistake.

Yup, if you're rich you should get to kill at least one person without consequences.

 

[monovillage]

if he was never found guilty in a trial, then he is innocent. Period.

Welcome to the greatest country on Earth.

The right wing nut jobs just want the influential liberal senator fall from grace. It's quite sad.

So by your criteria George Bush is innocent of lying about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? He was never convicted of it after all.