Was Ronald Reagan really the reason the US won the Cold War?

[walrus]

Originally posted by: Amused
<FONT color=#000099 size=3>In Soviet Russia, the scapegoat was the bourgeoisie; in Nazi Germany, it was the Jew; in America, it is the businessmen.</FONT>

You have got to be kidding. In america it's the minorities or illegal alien, that gets the blame.. Running a business can be hard work, but Ken lay and Berne Ebbers are the only acknowledged enemies of the state from the business world.

 

[walrus]

Typical American attitude We can expand but no one else can.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: walrus

Originally posted by: Amused
<FONT color=#000099 size=3>In Soviet Russia, the scapegoat was the bourgeoisie; in Nazi Germany, it was the Jew; in America, it is the businessmen.</FONT>

You have got to be kidding. In america it's the minorities or illegal alien, that gets the blame.. Running a business can be hard work, but Ken lay and Berne Ebbers are the only acknowledged enemies of the state from the business world.

Minorties are not scapegoats in the country, they have much easier time getting deals from the goverment than a white man.

Lay and Ebber are seens as crooks by all.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: walrus
Typical American attitude We can expand but no one else can.

I did not say that. The US has had many chances to expand, but have chosen not too. Japan and germany could have been made states, but we rebuilt them instead. Most of our expansion has come via purchasing of property from other countries. When was the last time the US used force to remove a goverment to make it a US territory?

 

[walrus]

We don't expand we have people over throw the government and install a dictator who will follow our lead. The list is too long to name all. There was Iran, Chile, Vietnam, Panama, El Salvador most of South America. Some involved the assanation of elected leaders.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: walrus
We have spent sixty years fighting them and don't know who or what these people are. Comunism is an economic system, just like capitalism. It is not a political system. Hitler was a capitalist, so was Tojo. Eather of them would have been very much at home in the board rooms any of our major companies. They would have reaily enjoyed Enron or World Com. You can have either economic system under Democracy or a dictatorship. Poiticians have been running around yelling "The Russians are coming" since the mid nineteenth Century. It's all been political bulls#it

The United States has been guilty of many things over the years. That said, most powers have been guilty of far worse. Gonna have to stand up for the USA here.

Remember that the USSR was expansionist, and that Stalin was a far worse killer than Hitler. Poland, East Germany, Yugoslavia and others were satellite countries controlled by Moscow.

Canada and Mexico have not been threatened with force if their internal politics are not resolved to our satisfaction. The above European countries would have been, and often Soviet tanks were in those countries and not as a show of support for the freedom of those nations. The estimate of those dead by Stalin and other Soviet leaders is realistically pegged between 15 and 30 million, 25 million being a commonly accepted figure. I have yet to see evidence of the US doing this to it's citizens. Or anyone elses for that matter. Does that justify Enrons? No. Is our country perfect? No. The fact remains that for all it's faults, it is a helluva lot better here than under Stalin. I, and others are concerned about the course we are charting in the Middle East. Others disagree with me. None of us feel threatened to speak our mind though, and as long as that remains true, living here is a good thing.

 

[walrus]

Stalin was a trrrible man but to say our forign policies are to protect our self's from him is absurd. He's been dead for over forty years. Politicans have been scareing people like a flock of sheep to vote for them when there was never a threat to this country from this long dead man.

 

[CantedValve]

Originally posted by: classy
More republican dribble. :disgust:

Wow... you are still alive? How disappointing....

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: walrus
We don't expand we have people over throw the government and install a dictator who will follow our lead. The list is too long to name all. There was Iran, Chile, Vietnam, Panama, El Salvador most of South America. Some involved the assanation of elected leaders.

Last time i checked we dont control any of those goverments. Yes we have dealing there, but no we dont have control there.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: walrus
We have spent sixty years fighting them and don't know who or what these people are. Comunism is an economic system, just like capitalism. It is not a political system. Hitler was a capitalist, so was Tojo. Eather of them would have been very much at home in the board rooms any of our major companies. They would have reaily enjoyed Enron or World Com. You can have either economic system under Democracy or a dictatorship.
Poiticians have been running around yelling "The Russians are coming" since the mid nineteenth Century.
It's all been political bulls#it

hitler was hardly a capitalist... he claimed to be but the state directed the economy of the third reich almost as much as the soviets did theirs. do you even know what the fascist system is?

 

[tcsenter]

We have spent sixty years fighting them and don't know who or what these people are. Comunism is an economic system, just like capitalism. It is not a political system.

This has got to be one of the most stupendously ignorant statements of the decade. Communism not a "political system"? Hmm, well I guess we need to "revise" the history and political science books to please the leftists yet again. So, how are we going to "revise" history to explain staples of Communism like the politicheskoe byuro and komissars? Hell, let's just leave them out altogether, pretend they never existed. In a couple generations, nobody will know the difference.

Communism is not a political system. lol! 😕

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: walrus

Originally posted by: Amused
<FONT color=#000099 size=3>In Soviet Russia, the scapegoat was the bourgeoisie; in Nazi Germany, it was the Jew; in America, it is the businessmen.</FONT>

You have got to be kidding. In america it's the minorities or illegal alien, that gets the blame.. Running a business can be hard work, but Ken lay and Berne Ebbers are the only acknowledged enemies of the state from the business world.

Bullsh!t. Type "corporate greed" into Google and see what you come up with. Take a look at the amount of hate sites set up for Bill Gates and Microsoft alone. If there is one thing most liberals are, it's anti-big business, anti-free trade, and anti-corporation. They claim to be pro-small business, yet they raise our taxes and regulate us nearly to death.

 

[ed21x]

Originally posted by: walrus

Originally posted by: Amused
<FONT color=#000099 size=3>In Soviet Russia, the scapegoat was the bourgeoisie; in Nazi Germany, it was the Jew; in America, it is the businessmen.</FONT>

You have got to be kidding. In america it's the minorities or illegal alien, that gets the blame.. Running a business can be hard work, but Ken lay and Berne Ebbers are the only acknowledged enemies of the state from the business world.

I love affirmative action, it got me into UC Berkeley while the caucasian valeditctorian got rejected 🙂 go america!! protect the minorities! oh wait... caucasians are now the minority in Berkeley and UCLA... i guess it takes more than higher test scores and grades =\

 

[hagbard]

Socialism doesn't work...simple as that.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: ed21x

Originally posted by: walrus

Originally posted by: Amused
<FONT color=#000099 size=3>In Soviet Russia, the scapegoat was the bourgeoisie; in Nazi Germany, it was the Jew; in America, it is the businessmen.</FONT>

You have got to be kidding. In america it's the minorities or illegal alien, that gets the blame.. Running a business can be hard work, but Ken lay and Berne Ebbers are the only acknowledged enemies of the state from the business world.

I love affirmative action, it got me into UC Berkeley while the caucasian valeditctorian got rejected 🙂 go america!! protect the minorities! oh wait... caucasians are now the minority in Berkeley and UCLA... i guess it takes more than higher test scores and grades =\

You answered yourself. There was a more qualified candidate but due to AA he was replaced with you. How exactly can you feel something positive from that?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: ed21x

Originally posted by: walrus

Originally posted by: Amused
<FONT color=#000099 size=3>In Soviet Russia, the scapegoat was the bourgeoisie; in Nazi Germany, it was the Jew; in America, it is the businessmen.</FONT>

You have got to be kidding. In america it's the minorities or illegal alien, that gets the blame.. Running a business can be hard work, but Ken lay and Berne Ebbers are the only acknowledged enemies of the state from the business world.

I love affirmative action, it got me into UC Berkeley while the caucasian valeditctorian got rejected 🙂 go america!! protect the minorities! oh wait... caucasians are now the minority in Berkeley and UCLA... i guess it takes more than higher test scores and grades =\

You answered yourself. There was a more qualified candidate but due to AA he was replaced with you. How exactly can you feel something positive from that?

Well for starters he will have a great education.

Give me a friggin break. If you are a Valedictorian you have the ability to succeed. The school you go too isn't going to hamper that..unless you are a whiner and one who blames others for their failures. I think it?s about time for some of these White Whiners to start taking responsibility for themselves and to stop blaming those of color or the system for their inadequacies.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: ed21x

Originally posted by: walrus

Originally posted by: Amused
<FONT color=#000099 size=3>In Soviet Russia, the scapegoat was the bourgeoisie; in Nazi Germany, it was the Jew; in America, it is the businessmen.</FONT>

You have got to be kidding. In america it's the minorities or illegal alien, that gets the blame.. Running a business can be hard work, but Ken lay and Berne Ebbers are the only acknowledged enemies of the state from the business world.

I love affirmative action, it got me into UC Berkeley while the caucasian valeditctorian got rejected 🙂 go america!! protect the minorities! oh wait... caucasians are now the minority in Berkeley and UCLA... i guess it takes more than higher test scores and grades =\

You answered yourself. There was a more qualified candidate but due to AA he was replaced with you. How exactly can you feel something positive from that?

Well for starters he will have a great education.

Give me a friggin break. If you are a Valedictorian you have the ability to succeed. The school you go too isn't going to hamper that..unless you are a whiner and one who blames others for their failures. I think it?s about time for some of these White Whiners to start taking responsibility for themselves and to stop blaming those of color or the system for their inadequacies.

I blamed the system? No I don't like AA and think it is a load of crap. Being the head of your class doesn't prove anything except you were able to make good grades in high school. It doesn't prove that you will make it in life or even have the ability to do so. I didn't argue that he wouldn't get a good education but the more qualified individual was bumped to promote AA. That is pure crap.

The whiners who blamed other people for their failures where the ones who came up with AA to begin with. Reality check Red.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: ed21x

Originally posted by: walrus

Originally posted by: Amused
<FONT color=#000099 size=3>In Soviet Russia, the scapegoat was the bourgeoisie; in Nazi Germany, it was the Jew; in America, it is the businessmen.</FONT>

You have got to be kidding. In america it's the minorities or illegal alien, that gets the blame.. Running a business can be hard work, but Ken lay and Berne Ebbers are the only acknowledged enemies of the state from the business world.

I love affirmative action, it got me into UC Berkeley while the caucasian valeditctorian got rejected 🙂 go america!! protect the minorities! oh wait... caucasians are now the minority in Berkeley and UCLA... i guess it takes more than higher test scores and grades =\

You answered yourself. There was a more qualified candidate but due to AA he was replaced with you. How exactly can you feel something positive from that?

Well for starters he will have a great education.

Give me a friggin break. If you are a Valedictorian you have the ability to succeed. The school you go too isn't going to hamper that..unless you are a whiner and one who blames others for their failures. I think it?s about time for some of these White Whiners to start taking responsibility for themselves and to stop blaming those of color or the system for their inadequacies.

I blamed the system? No I don't like AA and think it is a load of crap. Being the head of your class doesn't prove anything except you were able to make good grades in high school. It doesn't prove that you will make it in life or even have the ability to do so. I didn't argue that he wouldn't get a good education but the more qualified individual was bumped to promote AA. That is pure crap.

The whiners who blamed other people for their failures where the ones who came up with AA to begin with. Reality check Red.

No reality check for you Bubba. AA hasn't hampered me one bit so I don't give a rats ass about it. It just seems that those who whine about it are worse than those who happen to be helped by it. If you are worth a damn no program like AA is going to hold you back.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: ed21x

Originally posted by: walrus

Originally posted by: Amused
<FONT color=#000099 size=3>In Soviet Russia, the scapegoat was the bourgeoisie; in Nazi Germany, it was the Jew; in America, it is the businessmen.</FONT>

You have got to be kidding. In america it's the minorities or illegal alien, that gets the blame.. Running a business can be hard work, but Ken lay and Berne Ebbers are the only acknowledged enemies of the state from the business world.

I love affirmative action, it got me into UC Berkeley while the caucasian valeditctorian got rejected 🙂 go america!! protect the minorities! oh wait... caucasians are now the minority in Berkeley and UCLA... i guess it takes more than higher test scores and grades =\

You answered yourself. There was a more qualified candidate but due to AA he was replaced with you. How exactly can you feel something positive from that?

Well for starters he will have a great education.

Give me a friggin break. If you are a Valedictorian you have the ability to succeed. The school you go too isn't going to hamper that..unless you are a whiner and one who blames others for their failures. I think it?s about time for some of these White Whiners to start taking responsibility for themselves and to stop blaming those of color or the system for their inadequacies.

I blamed the system? No I don't like AA and think it is a load of crap. Being the head of your class doesn't prove anything except you were able to make good grades in high school. It doesn't prove that you will make it in life or even have the ability to do so. I didn't argue that he wouldn't get a good education but the more qualified individual was bumped to promote AA. That is pure crap.

The whiners who blamed other people for their failures where the ones who came up with AA to begin with. Reality check Red.

No reality check for you Bubba. AA hasn't hampered me one bit so I don't give a rats ass about it. It just seems that those who whine about it are worse than those who happen to be helped by it. If you are worth a damn no program like AA is going to hold you back.

It hasn't hampered me one bit either. I was accepted to all colleges I applied to and received a scholarship to the program I wanted to go into. I transferred to UAB for the upcoming semester and changed my major. No scholarship but in-state tuition is cheap and due to CLEP tests I will hopefully not have to take any core classes and will maybe get out of a portion of my minor and major.

I fail to see why you think I dislike AA because it has affected me personally. It hasn't! I don't like it because of what it does. Actually I am incorrect about that now that I think about it. My parent have been unable to sell their house because property values have dropped dramitically where they used to live(they moved but still own the house). Why did they drop? Pleasant Grove was sued by the Federal Government and forced to annex parts of Dolemite, Hueytown, and Fairfield because the school system didn't have 25% minorities. Yeah that was totally fair Red. They were forced to annex lower income and depressed areas because of a quota.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: ed21x

Originally posted by: walrus

Originally posted by: Amused
<FONT color=#000099 size=3>In Soviet Russia, the scapegoat was the bourgeoisie; in Nazi Germany, it was the Jew; in America, it is the businessmen.</FONT>

You have got to be kidding. In america it's the minorities or illegal alien, that gets the blame.. Running a business can be hard work, but Ken lay and Berne Ebbers are the only acknowledged enemies of the state from the business world.

I love affirmative action, it got me into UC Berkeley while the caucasian valeditctorian got rejected 🙂 go america!! protect the minorities! oh wait... caucasians are now the minority in Berkeley and UCLA... i guess it takes more than higher test scores and grades =\

You answered yourself. There was a more qualified candidate but due to AA he was replaced with you. How exactly can you feel something positive from that?

Well for starters he will have a great education.

Give me a friggin break. If you are a Valedictorian you have the ability to succeed. The school you go too isn't going to hamper that..unless you are a whiner and one who blames others for their failures. I think it?s about time for some of these White Whiners to start taking responsibility for themselves and to stop blaming those of color or the system for their inadequacies.

I blamed the system? No I don't like AA and think it is a load of crap. Being the head of your class doesn't prove anything except you were able to make good grades in high school. It doesn't prove that you will make it in life or even have the ability to do so. I didn't argue that he wouldn't get a good education but the more qualified individual was bumped to promote AA. That is pure crap.

The whiners who blamed other people for their failures where the ones who came up with AA to begin with. Reality check Red.

No reality check for you Bubba. AA hasn't hampered me one bit so I don't give a rats ass about it. It just seems that those who whine about it are worse than those who happen to be helped by it. If you are worth a damn no program like AA is going to hold you back.

It hasn't hampered me one bit either. I was accepted to all colleges I applied to and received a scholarship to the program I wanted to go into. I transferred to UAB for the upcoming semester and changed my major. No scholarship but in-state tuition is cheap and due to CLEP tests I will hopefully not have to take any core classes and will maybe get out of a portion of my minor and major.

I fail to see why you think I dislike AA because it has affected me personally. It hasn't! I don't like it because of what it does. Actually I am incorrect about that now that I think about it. My parent have been unable to sell their house because property values have dropped dramitically where they used to live(they moved but still own the house). Why did they drop? Pleasant Grove was sued by the Federal Government and forced to annex parts of Dolemite, Hueytown, and Fairfield because the school system didn't have 25% minorities. Yeah that was totally fair Red. They were forced to annex lower income and depressed areas because of a quota.

Those damn Minorities, always mucking it up for us white folks

Evan, I don't for an instance think you are some kind of ignorant racist. I just don't think that you see the big picture. The problem isn't AA and other programs l;ike it. The problem is the underlying racism that makes those programs needed. Of course they aren't fair to all. We are just facing some of the unfairness that minorities have faced. We share in the wealth and we share in the unfairness. This makes us all equal.

 

[Tominator]

The problem is the underlying racism that makes those programs needed.

Look at Sharpton, Jackson and Ferrycan! Do we need even more programs?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: ed21x

Originally posted by: walrus

Originally posted by: Amused
<FONT color=#000099 size=3>In Soviet Russia, the scapegoat was the bourgeoisie; in Nazi Germany, it was the Jew; in America, it is the businessmen.</FONT>

You have got to be kidding. In america it's the minorities or illegal alien, that gets the blame.. Running a business can be hard work, but Ken lay and Berne Ebbers are the only acknowledged enemies of the state from the business world.

I love affirmative action, it got me into UC Berkeley while the caucasian valeditctorian got rejected 🙂 go america!! protect the minorities! oh wait... caucasians are now the minority in Berkeley and UCLA... i guess it takes more than higher test scores and grades =\

You answered yourself. There was a more qualified candidate but due to AA he was replaced with you. How exactly can you feel something positive from that?

Well for starters he will have a great education.

Give me a friggin break. If you are a Valedictorian you have the ability to succeed. The school you go too isn't going to hamper that..unless you are a whiner and one who blames others for their failures. I think it?s about time for some of these White Whiners to start taking responsibility for themselves and to stop blaming those of color or the system for their inadequacies.

I blamed the system? No I don't like AA and think it is a load of crap. Being the head of your class doesn't prove anything except you were able to make good grades in high school. It doesn't prove that you will make it in life or even have the ability to do so. I didn't argue that he wouldn't get a good education but the more qualified individual was bumped to promote AA. That is pure crap.

The whiners who blamed other people for their failures where the ones who came up with AA to begin with. Reality check Red.

No reality check for you Bubba. AA hasn't hampered me one bit so I don't give a rats ass about it. It just seems that those who whine about it are worse than those who happen to be helped by it. If you are worth a damn no program like AA is going to hold you back.

It hasn't hampered me one bit either. I was accepted to all colleges I applied to and received a scholarship to the program I wanted to go into. I transferred to UAB for the upcoming semester and changed my major. No scholarship but in-state tuition is cheap and due to CLEP tests I will hopefully not have to take any core classes and will maybe get out of a portion of my minor and major.

I fail to see why you think I dislike AA because it has affected me personally. It hasn't! I don't like it because of what it does. Actually I am incorrect about that now that I think about it. My parent have been unable to sell their house because property values have dropped dramitically where they used to live(they moved but still own the house). Why did they drop? Pleasant Grove was sued by the Federal Government and forced to annex parts of Dolemite, Hueytown, and Fairfield because the school system didn't have 25% minorities. Yeah that was totally fair Red. They were forced to annex lower income and depressed areas because of a quota.

Those damn Minorities, always mucking it up for us white folks

Evan, I don't for an instance think you are some kind of ignorant racist. I just don't think that you see the big picture. The problem isn't AA and other programs l;ike it. The problem is the underlying racism that makes those programs needed. Of course they aren't fair to all. We are just facing some of the unfairness that minorities have faced. We share in the wealth and we share in the unfairness. This makes us all equal.

It wasn't the minorities! It was the federal government forcing a city to annex people who didn't want to be annex and a city that didn't want to annex an area of higher crime and lower income. Hell Dolomite, HT, and the part of Fairfield was happy with what they had. Now they have a 90% white police force patroling their neighborhood. Anytime there is a crime or fire the cry goes out that the white people took too long. I am looking at the big picture and I do see your point, but you aren't seeing mine!

I don't remember the immigrants to this country over the past 200 years needing any social programs or AA to pull themselves up and become gainfully employed or educated. That had a drive and a desire to accomplish and attain what they couldn't in their home country. The underlying racism lies on both sides and for some odd reason minority racism gets ignored very easily.

What people fail to realize is that AA was not needed by my ancestors(English, Scottish, and German) so why is it needed now? Sure you could argue that black people were disadvantaged by slavery and they were! You also then have to argue that the Irish, Scottish, German, etc immigrants were literal slaves back during their immigration periods. Neither situation was fair but they seem to have made it. Why don't we give minorities a chance these days to make it instead of trying to make it for them. I for one would think that many of them would like that better.

Every generation in America brings another generation of disadvantaged immigrants and they always seem to make it. They stop making it when we give them money and gifts for free and allow them to become reliant on a corrupt system. If all social programs were reformed and only those programs that are necessary remained we would stop our hemorraging deficit and allow minorities to prove themselves(which they WILL do).

My problem has never been with the minorities one bit. My problem is with the people that are fvcking with the system that worked for 200 years and now it is leading to more desolation and reliance than ever imaginable.

Evan

 

[tcsenter]

Unfortunately, not even Affirmative Action's most ardent defenders can claim that AA is accomplishing its most basic intent: to give "disadvantaged" blacks an advantage in the selection process so the "playing field will be level".

Some 70% - 80% of all allocated Affirmative Action "slots" reserved for blacks in the nation's largest colleges and universities are being filled, not by blacks from "disadvantaged" schools or families, but by the children of well-to-do blacks whose incomes put them in the top 5% of black wage-earners in the United States.

Meaning, Affirmative Action is doing little more than giving a race-based advantage, not a means-based advantage, to black kids who have all of the "perceived" advantages that white kids enjoy - good schools, stable family environments, and parents who can afford their children's secondary education.

It is not lost on the Great List of all Things Ironic how it could do service to the concept of "equality" to give preferential treatment in academic selection to the child of a black physician who makes $250,000 annually and was never a slave over the child of a white Walmart cashier who makes $25,000 annually and never owned slaves, under the guise that the black child would not be able to compete with the white child because it is merely presumed that the white child has all these 'alleged' advantages.

What is also not lost is that, since the children of affluent blacks have all the advantages of affluent whites, they should not need preferential treatment in order to compete with the children of lower-earning and middle-class whites, but the academically mediocre children of affluent black families are given spots before the academically talented children of lower-income whites, rewarding blacks simply for being black, not for being "disadvantaged", and punishing whites for being white, not for being "advantaged".

If I didn't know any better, I'd swear I was on that Bizarro Superman Planet where up is down, the sky is green, and the grass is blue.

 

[Tom]

Ronald Reagan played a part in winning the Cold War, but America's most important contribution was this...

"WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness..."

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: tcsenter
Unfortunately, not even Affirmative Action's most ardent defenders can claim that AA is accomplishing its most basic intent: to give "disadvantaged" blacks an advantage in the selection process so the "playing field will be level".

Some 70% - 80% of all allocated Affirmative Action "slots" reserved for blacks in the nation's largest colleges and universities are being filled, not by blacks from "disadvantaged" schools or families, but by the children of well-to-do blacks whose incomes put them in the top 5% of black wage-earners in the United States.

Meaning, Affirmative Action is doing little more than giving a race-based advantage, not a means-based advantage, to black kids who have all of the "perceived" advantages that white kids enjoy - good schools, stable family environments, and parents who can afford their children's secondary education.

It is not lost on the Great List of all Things Ironic how it could do service to the concept of "equality" to give preferential treatment in academic selection to the child of a black physician who makes $250,000 annually and was never a slave over the child of a white Walmart cashier who makes $25,000 annually and never owned slaves, under the guise that the black child would not be able to compete with the white child because it is merely presumed that the white child has all these 'alleged' advantages.

What is also not lost is that, since the children of affluent blacks have all the advantages of affluent whites, they should not need preferential treatment in order to compete with the children of lower-earning and middle-class whites, but the academically mediocre children of affluent black families are given spots before the academically talented children of lower-income whites, rewarding blacks simply for being black, not for being "disadvantaged", and punishing whites for being white, not for being "advantaged".

If I didn't know any better, I'd swear I was on that Bizarro Superman Planet where up is down, the sky is green, and the grass is blue.

Do you have links to facts to back up your claims or is this just another one of those "tscenter" facts?