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Was Ronald Reagan really the reason the US won the Cold War?

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Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Ferocious
The USSR began to crack many years earlier......under Nixon actually.

The reasons and events leading up to the demise of the USSR are numerous and complex.....and have quite little to do with Reagan.

again, necessary but not sufficient to explain the outcome.


Honestly, its quite ridiculous to think that the USSR would have never fallen apart if not for Reagan. In addition to its economic problems, there was a lot of internal pressure also. Have you never heard of Lech Walesa and Solidarity? It had nothing to do with Reagan and was not exclusive to Poland (there were similiar movements in other eastern european countries as well)

you don't seem to know what necessary but not sufficient means.


i didn't say reagan was 100% responsible and that structural reasons and other personalities had nothing to do with it. in fact i mentioned a few of the other personalities involved (and certainly the old dock worker from g'dansk is one of them). but you need all of them there in order for the collapse to happen, and reagan was one of the more important personalities involved.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Red, maybe we should suggest to Davis that we use state funds to set up a huge free food clinic in Washington DC complete with free travel coupons for california's homeless. We can get hundreds of thousands of them to go there, pump them up with huge meals and let them sh!t two feet deep all around the Capital. One way or another, somebody'd spring into action to solve the problem.
I have a better idea, let's send them to Crawford Texas and have a big old BBQ🙂

soylent green is people!
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Now they sleep on Park Benches and rumage through Dumpsters for food.
They did before, nothing changed. Nothing.
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Except they have multiplied ten fold!
Bullshit. From 1982 through 2001 the poverty rate consistently declined, save a short recession under the Bush (Sr.) administration,

 
Originally posted by: Daovonnaex
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Now they sleep on Park Benches and rumage through Dumpsters for food.
They did before, nothing changed. Nothing.
rolleye.gif
Except they have multiplied ten fold!
Bullshit. From 1982 through 2001 the poverty rate consistently declined, save a short recession under the Bush (Sr.) administration,
What's that have to do with the Tea in China you knucklhead? Most who do live in poverty don't live in the streets. I can assure you that the number of homeless in Ca. has increased 10 fold since 1970 despite the decrease in poverty.

 
Originally posted by: thebestMAX
Moonbeam, Red, Etech, Amused, Heyabus and El Fenix

Doesnt get much better than this.

Thanks, Tominator

<--- putting his footprint in this thread 😛
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Daovonnaex
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Now they sleep on Park Benches and rumage through Dumpsters for food.
They did before, nothing changed. Nothing.
rolleye.gif
Except they have multiplied ten fold!
Bullshit. From 1982 through 2001 the poverty rate consistently declined, save a short recession under the Bush (Sr.) administration,
What's that have to do with the Tea in China you knucklhead? Most who do live in poverty don't live in the streets. I can assure you that the number of homeless in Ca. has increased 10 fold since 1970 despite the decrease in poverty.
I misunderstood at first. Yes, the insane should probably be institutionalized, enslaved, or used for medical testing.
 
No one won the "Cold War". First of all, the Soviet Union was no more threat to this country than the Jews were to Hitler or Iraqi is to this country now. History is full of polical leaders whipping up war hysteria to get elected. Works so well were are seeing it used now.
Second we squandered trillions of dollars and sixty+ years fighting this phony war. Our schools are a shadow of what they would be if we spent even a small part of our defense budget on them. Same for hospitals, roads, bridges, police and fire services, the list goes on and on..
Wasted over fifty eight thousand young American men's lives in Vietnam. Look at Vietnam now, is there anything going on there now (or then) that was worth the life of even one American solder's life?
As for the rest of the world, Kosovo, Bosnia, all the wars in Africa, Afghanistan, and there by September 11th. all resulting from the Cold war.. All results of this country destabilizing countries all over the world. This country has help overthrow democraticly elected leaders in many in every corner of this world, and installed ruthless dictators, who we let massacre their citizens as long as they sell there oil, bannas or what ever to us at prices we dictate. Saddam Hussein and ben Laden were both given free reign and more wepons they could use to fight this Cold War.

Just look at the world today, war, hunger, strife, misery and crimes against humanity, almost every where.
All because of this phony Cold War.
 
Originally posted by: walrus
All because of this phony Cold War.
i suppose you think we could have stopped said phony war if we'd have been nicer to stalin as well, huh?
 
Walrus-

You made a lot of statements, many true, many not, how about backing them up with facts to support your position?

Iraqui?
How about the money wasted because of PC or LBJ?
"Phoney Cold War"????
 
Name one bad thing Stalen ever did to this country.

Stalen died of natural causes or poison fron another Russian, the cold war didn't end his rule.
 
Originally posted by: walrus
Name one bad thing Stalen ever did to this country.

i'm merely expressing that i believe the revisionist theory that we provoked stalin into a cold war is pretty shaky.
 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Ferocious
The USSR began to crack many years earlier......under Nixon actually.

The reasons and events leading up to the demise of the USSR are numerous and complex.....and have quite little to do with Reagan.

again, necessary but not sufficient to explain the outcome.


Honestly, its quite ridiculous to think that the USSR would have never fallen apart if not for Reagan. In addition to its economic problems, there was a lot of internal pressure also. Have you never heard of Lech Walesa and Solidarity? It had nothing to do with Reagan and was not exclusive to Poland (there were similiar movements in other eastern european countries as well)

you don't seem to know what necessary but not sufficient means.


i didn't say reagan was 100% responsible and that structural reasons and other personalities had nothing to do with it. in fact i mentioned a few of the other personalities involved (and certainly the old dock worker from g'dansk is one of them). but you need all of them there in order for the collapse to happen, and reagan was one of the more important personalities involved.


No one here is pretending that Reagan did 100%. But do you agree or disagree with the following statement:

The Soviet Union and Warsaw pact would have eventually fallen apart, ragardless or Reagan.
 
Stalen didn't ever go around his country prommising to overthrow this country.
The over throw of the Soviet Union has been part of every political campain in this country for sixty years.
The Soviet union never called for the overthrow of this country under any leader.
 
Now after '"winning" the Cold War we are faced with ben Laden our partner in defeating the soviets in Afghanistan. It looks like we backed the wrong side.

All these politicians are congratulating them self's about what a great thing they did. We need to take a hard look at what they have delivered us to.
 
Originally posted by: walrus
Stalen didn't ever go around his country prommising to overthrow this country.
The over throw of the Soviet Union has been part of every political campain in this country for sixty years.
The Soviet union never called for the overthrow of this country under any leader.

when did we say we were going to overthrow the soviet union? we said we would oppose their expansion of communism on every front. big difference.
 
Originally posted by: walrus
Now aferr '"winning" the Cold War we are faced with ben Laden our partner in defeating the soviets in Afghanistan. It looks like we backed the wrong side.

rolleye.gif


you're beating a dead horse. no one knows how things 10 years down the road are going to turn out, so you deal with what you can then and when something crops up later you deal with it. i'll bet bin laden would be doing something similar had we not supported the mujahadeen.
 
<FONT color=#000099 size=3> Communism is just another economic system never been a threat to anyone except the kind of people who bring us Enron or World Coms.</FONT>
 
Originally posted by: walrus
<FONT color=#000099 size=3> Communism is just another economic system never been a threat to anyone except the kind of people who bring us Enron or World Coms.</FONT>

its a threat to the advancement of humankind in almost all fields.
 
Originally posted by: walrus
<FONT color=#000099 size=3> Communism is just another economic system never been a threat to anyone except the kind of people who bring us Enron or World Coms.</FONT>

Tell that to Europe who gladly let our troops be stationed there to make sure the USSR did not roll thru.....
 
Originally posted by: tcsenter
But, of course Reagan did a lot of military spending while in office so he did contribute the Cold War's end.
Right, it is safe to say that Reagan contributed, but not to give him all the credit nor even most of the credit. The left's beloved Kennedy despised Red Commies as much as any red-blooded American and probably did more than Reagan.


Kennedy

 
Originally posted by: walrus
<FONT color=#000099 size=3> Communism is just another economic system never been a threat to anyone except the kind of people who bring us Enron or World Coms.</FONT>

And there has never been corruption or crimes in communist countries, right?
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We have spent sixty years fighting them and don't know who or what these people are. Comunism is an economic system, just like capitalism. It is not a political system. Hitler was a capitalist, so was Tojo. Eather of them would have been very much at home in the board rooms any of our major companies. They would have reaily enjoyed Enron or World Com. You can have either economic system under Democracy or a dictatorship.
Poiticians have been running around yelling "The Russians are coming" since the mid nineteenth Century.
It's all been political bulls#it
 
Originally posted by: walrus
We have spent sixty years fighting them and don't know who or what these people are. Comunism is an economic system, just like capitalism. It is not a political system. Hitler was a capitalist, so was Tojo. Eather of them would have been very much at home in the board rooms any of our major companies. They would have reaily enjoyed Enron or World Com. You can have either economic system under Democracy or a dictatorship.
Poiticians have been running around yelling "The Russians are coming" since the mid nineteenth Century.
It's all been political bulls#it

And the USSR was trying to expand.
 
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