Was Romney Right?

[Angry Irishman]

A monkey on a segway would be a better president.

 

[ivwshane]

Fucks sakes....how many damn times do I have to tell you I don't care about the party bullshit. A clear lack of leadership is the problem as well as the obvious situation with the stalemate on the Hill. Yes, I think the right person, be that person Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, could effect positive change and compromise through sound leadership. That person isn't currently residing in the White House and he's making that abundantly clear once again with his poor dealings with the Syria situation which he brought on this country. He's not an effective leader, consistently practices poor judgement and deflects his failures and responsibilities like nobody's business...it's just that simple.

You are more naive than I thought! Your premiss is that you think the stated goal of obstruction (before he was even in the fucking white house, no less) would have been overcome by an effective leader? Lol, do tell how an effective leader would have handled the debt ceiling debate. Feel free to make shit up since that particular situation has never happened before!

And of course you don't care about the party bullshit! Not only do you not care about it you ignore it as if it's not even happening!

 

[Angry Irishman]

You are more naive than I thought! Your premiss is that you think the stated goal of obstruction (before he was even in the fucking white house, no less) would have been overcome by an effective leader? Lol, do tell how an effective leader would have handled the debt ceiling debate. Feel free to make shit up since that particular situation has never happened before!

And of course you don't care about the party bullshit! Not only do you not care about it you ignore it as if it's not even happening!

I don't ignore, I just don't obsess over party affiliation to the point of wearing blinders such as yourself. It's plainly apparent that you've never been led effectively or have no idea what good leadership entails. It's not about the situation, it's about the ability (in this case inability) to apply effective (note the key word effective) leadership which as I've expressed isn't practiced from the current occupant of the White House. It's an ineffective leadership trait shared by the majority of his cabinet which of course stems from the current President's selections for these key government positions.

There have been many situations much graver than our debt ceiling overcome by good old fashioned leadership. Read a history book or better yet broaden your vision and take off those party blinders.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't ignore, I just don't obsess over party affiliation to the point of wearing blinders such as yourself. It's plainly apparent that you've never been led effectively or have no idea what good leadership entails. It's not about the situation, it's about the ability (in this case inability) to apply effective (note the key word effective) leadership which as I've expressed isn't practiced from the current occupant of the White House. It's an ineffective leadership trait shared by the majority of his cabinet which of course stems from the current President's selections for these key government positions.

There have been many situations much graver than our debt ceiling overcome by good old fashioned leadership. Read a history book or better yet broaden your vision and take off those party blinders.

You need to crack open a political science textbook. Leadership? How? What exactly should Obama have been doing to "lead" that he didn't do? Be specific.

When people say that a good dose of leadership would have solved these problems it is just a way to avoid having to actually come up with an answer.

 

[K1052]

Maybe by now we would have found out what was in the super secret Romney economic plan that was so good he couldn't tell people about it during the election. :hmm:

 

[Incorruptible]

Blah-blah-because he wasn't a Muslim-blah-blah.

obama isn't a Muslim and I never said this. I believe he is an atheist.

A monkey on a segway would be a better president.

LOL. Almost anything would be better than obama who has been a horrible president.

 

[soundforbjt]

A monkey on a segway would be a better president.

 

[blankslate]

As mentioned previously, if he didn't flipflop we might be able to tell if he was right....

As for Russia being our number one political enemy... as long as we're dependent as on oil (as ignoring R&D into solar, wind and thorium fueled reactors will make us) that could be the case.

Iraq has new barely drilled oil fields...

http://www.investorsiraq.com/showth...unces-40-undeveloped-fields-uncovered-in-Iraq
http://mawtani.al-shorfa.com/en_GB/articles/iii/features/iraqtoday/2012/06/06/feature-02

that means for a while that oil from those fields will be cheap to get out of the ground.

Now, look at a map Syria is on the western border of Iraq. It has a lot of relatively flat land as I recall.

What is on the western edge of Syria? Look at that the Mediterranean Ocean. France has a border on the that body of water too. So far, afaik, they haven't said no to strikes on Syria.

hmmm..... that's a pretty sizable shortcut. If only there wasn't a civil war there huh?

"It's all about the Oil, Lebowski" to mangle a movie line.




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[BlueWolf47]

obama isn't a Muslim and I never said this. I believe he is an atheist.



LOL. Almost anything would be better than obama who has been a horrible president.

 

[Incorruptible]

Keep trolling.

 

[blankslate]

Keep trolling.

Oh the irony....

 

[BlueWolf47]

obama isn't a Muslim and I never said this. I believe he is an atheist.



LOL. Almost anything would be better than obama who has been a horrible president.

Maybe you dont remember this post..


http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=33819936&highlight=obama+muslim#post33819936

He is a Christian when he speaks to Christians since he calls him barack obama
BUT he is a muslim when he speaks to muslims and calls himself barrack hussein obama

 

[Incorruptible]

Maybe you dont remember this post..


http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=33819936&highlight=obama+muslim#post33819936

Keep grasping moron. You ignored the part where I said he was Christian and he refers to himself as barrack hussein obama when he spoke to a group of Muslims.

I owned you again!

 

[ivwshane]

I don't ignore, I just don't obsess over party affiliation to the point of wearing blinders such as yourself. It's plainly apparent that you've never been led effectively or have no idea what good leadership entails. It's not about the situation, it's about the ability (in this case inability) to apply effective (note the key word effective) leadership which as I've expressed isn't practiced from the current occupant of the White House. It's an ineffective leadership trait shared by the majority of his cabinet which of course stems from the current President's selections for these key government positions.

There have been many situations much graver than our debt ceiling overcome by good old fashioned leadership. Read a history book or better yet broaden your vision and take off those party blinders.

By all means, please explain how Obama could have applied effective leadership, you being an apparent expert on leadership should be able to give specific examples to me, someone who apparently doesn't know what effective leadership is.

 

[BlueWolf47]

Keep grasping moron. You ignored the part where I said he was Christian and he refers to himself as barrack hussein obama when he spoke to a group of Muslims.

I owned you again!

I also ignored the part where you said

HE IS AN ATHEIST

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Which by the way, is as equally retarded as calling him a muslim.

Unless i have lost the ability to read, you have stated he is a muslim, an athiest, and a christian.

 

[irishScott]

You need to crack open a political science textbook. Leadership? How? What exactly should Obama have been doing to "lead" that he didn't do? Be specific.

When people say that a good dose of leadership would have solved these problems it is just a way to avoid having to actually come up with an answer.

Well I'd say good communication is part of leadership, and he's sure screwed the pooch on that on... pretty much everything outside of his election speeches. He failed to sell healthcare to at least half the country, he failed to sell gun control, he's failing to sell Syria. About the only thing he did sell is Libya (at least the initial intervention), and you'll note that's about the best leadership he's shown in his presidency IMO.

So almost any time there's been a controversial issue that's involved some entity outside his direct authority he has proven incapable of selling his side of it, despite in some cases having pure-gold ammunition to do so.

I love how every Obama supporter blames Republicans for Obama's shortcomings. If Republicans are so obstructionist (which they are) then why not paint them as such? The reason they get away with being obstructionist is that their supporters see them as fighting this heroic "french maquis" resistance. Why not go to the American people and make the relevant congressmen out to be spoiled, spittling brats? There are effective ways do so.

Now granted if he goes to the American people, does the above and said people refuse to agree under any circumstances, then well that's democracy for ya. But he hasn't even tried, not seriously. Obama is all carrot and no stick.

Bush, for all his shortcomings, managed to sell freaking Iraq on faulty intel for crying out loud.

 

[justoh]

Has it already been pointed out that Romney was/is a mormon? Could further commentary about Romney be useful?

 

[Incorruptible]

I also ignored the part where you said .
Which by the way, is as equally retarded as calling him a muslim.

Unless i have lost the ability to read, you have stated he is a muslim, an athiest, and a christian.

Look at the date of the posts you idiot. My opinion changed on his religion.

 

[fskimospy]

Well I'd say good communication is part of leadership, and he's sure screwed the pooch on that on... pretty much everything outside of his election speeches. He failed to sell healthcare to at least half the country, he failed to sell gun control, he's failing to sell Syria. About the only thing he did sell is Libya (at least the initial intervention), and you'll note that's about the best leadership he's shown in his presidency IMO.

So almost any time there's been a controversial issue that's involved some entity outside his direct authority he has proven incapable of selling his side of it, despite in some cases having pure-gold ammunition to do so.

I love how every Obama supporter blames Republicans for Obama's shortcomings. If Republicans are so obstructionist (which they are) then why not paint them as such? The reason they get away with being obstructionist is that their supporters see them as fighting this heroic "french maquis" resistance. Why not go to the American people and make the relevant congressmen out to be spoiled, spittling brats? There are effective ways do so.

Now granted if he goes to the American people, does the above and said people refuse to agree under any circumstances, then well that's democracy for ya. But he hasn't even tried, not seriously. Obama is all carrot and no stick.

Bush, for all his shortcomings, managed to sell freaking Iraq on faulty intel for crying out loud.

So you think he should have just been able to convince everyone better? I'm sorry, but that's not very compelling. Convince them better how?

Did you ever read the book "Do Not Ask What Good We Do? If its recounting is correct (and I don't see any particular reason why he would lie about it), the Republicans had decided from the night of Obama's inauguration to oppose everything he did tooth and nail. The idea that a stirring speech or some great convincing could have caused a shift in their electoral strategy is pretty naive IMO.

As things exist now, the vast majority of Republicans are in very safe districts where they have far more to fear from a primary challenge from the base than from any Democrat in the primary election. The Republican base hates Obama to an extent that is downright loony, and so Republicans have basically no reason to go along with Obama on almost anything. This also would not change, no matter how convincing Obama might be.

Look at the gun control debate. The public supported Obama's position OVERWHELMINGLY. The Republicans didn't care. Look at the taxes/spending debate. The public supports Obama's position OVERWHELMINGLY. The Republicans don't care. Some extra 'leading' won't change any of it, it's simple political math.

 

[Lash444]

No point in arguing with him. In his own post he admits that Obama showed great communication in his election speeches (clearly to the majority of Americans as he did get elected twice). Then he admits the Republicans are obstructionists and they r group feel like they are leading a resistance by obstructing Obama.

How do you argue with someone who uses that kind of logic? If the Republicans raise taxes or give into Obama they lose with their supporters. Yeah they are going to do that... And its all Obamas fault because he can't communicate or lead.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Look at the date of the posts you idiot. My opinion changed on his religion.

It doesn't change the fact that you're a liar, a troll, a hypocrite, and have terrible English skills.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Firstly, I don't think the president is the antichrist or the catalyst for the end of days. I just don't feel based on his track record that his leadership, communication or most importantly integrity are sound enough to effect compromise or positive forward movement. This country remains in a deep rut that grows larger by the day.

What I find the most disconcerting on these forums and in this country in general is the unwavering idol worship of a man. What's even worse is the worship is due to his political party rather than his qualifications or track record. It's like some kind of political pride of lions. This is an elected official that swore and oath to serve this countries citizens and uphold the Constitution. He's just a man and he's fallen short for many of those promises.

What has happened in the 5 plus years of his administration that has benefited this country? People are more splintered and polarized now then ever. Even worse, people are just becoming numb to all of it and wash their hands of even knowing what's happening around them. The vast majority of Americans do not trust their government and for good reasons. The economy is still in the shitter. Racism while always present has flared up nicely no thanks to his anything but objective view and foolish comments as POTUS. Our armed forces have been engaged in war the entire time he's been in office (and many years before) and are about to engage again with the biggest goat rope of all time with Syria.

I'll tell you what he needs to stop doing. He's had a few scape goats who have fallen on the sword for him. Stop consistently deflecting the negative issues for the situations and people he's responsible for: IRS behaviours, Benghazi negligence, NSA overstepping, the press bullying and now Syria to name of few. He's currently trying to deflect Syria which he brought on himself and this country with poor judgment and not so choice words. I don't know what's worse, not knowing about these wrong doings or knowing from the get go and being deceitful; I'm guessing he just didn't know. Transparency? Really? He took the ball and has ran way down the field in terms of continuing to support the reduction and erosion of basic civil liberties. But hey, it's for our own good because that's the role of big government...just listen to his speeches.

The President can't throw his arms in the air in front of the world and say I can't make Congress behave...that's not my job. He has said this literally and lives this through constant practice. That's the opposite of effective leadership. Try, try and try some more but don't hit the Sunday morning news circuit crying about the Republicans. I see him as a defeatist which the man holding the nuclear football just can't be.

Personally he may be a very pleasant person; unfortunately, he's in over his head as the POTUS. If he was a manager of a business he would have been fired by now as the business would either continue to build faulty products or they would cost too much leaving no profit margin. There has been a whole lot of hope and no change. In fact, it's pretty apparent that the state of this union is even worse.

 

[fskimospy]

It is amazing how far people will go to rationalize their political views. Fired? We just had a shareholder vote and he won it handily.

Your entire post is just fact free emotional ranting. Like I've said before, you're just expressing the culture war.

 

[ivwshane]

Well I'd say good communication is part of leadership, and he's sure screwed the pooch on that on... pretty much everything outside of his election speeches. He failed to sell healthcare to at least half the country, he failed to sell gun control, he's failing to sell Syria. About the only thing he did sell is Libya (at least the initial intervention), and you'll note that's about the best leadership he's shown in his presidency IMO.

So almost any time there's been a controversial issue that's involved some entity outside his direct authority he has proven incapable of selling his side of it, despite in some cases having pure-gold ammunition to do so.

I love how every Obama supporter blames Republicans for Obama's shortcomings. If Republicans are so obstructionist (which they are) then why not paint them as such? The reason they get away with being obstructionist is that their supporters see them as fighting this heroic "french maquis" resistance. Why not go to the American people and make the relevant congressmen out to be spoiled, spittling brats? There are effective ways do so.

Now granted if he goes to the American people, does the above and said people refuse to agree under any circumstances, then well that's democracy for ya. But he hasn't even tried, not seriously. Obama is all carrot and no stick.

Bush, for all his shortcomings, managed to sell freaking Iraq on faulty intel for crying out loud.

Lol. He has failed to sell his policies? I guess that's why the people voted for him a second time, I guess that's why poll after poll shows the people support his policies (except for Syria and the only way he could sell that is if he lies to the American people).

However, your point was that Romney would have been a better leader but even by your own definition he fails at meeting your expectations.

I also like how anyone that disagrees with you and sides with Obama is idol worshipering, that's about a good of an argument as saying anyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist.

 

[Angry Irishman]

It is amazing how far people will go to rationalize their political views. Fired? We just had a shareholder vote and he won it handily.

Your entire post is just fact free emotional ranting. Like I've said before, you're just expressing the culture war.

What do you want black and white answers? It's not quite that simple. You go ahead and profess how this country is better under his "leadership".

Is the worship because of the man or his party? Which one?

One of the true gauges of leadership is the ability to change a negative trend to a positive one. Is that happening? Is the man a good leader or proven himself to be a leader in any fashion?