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Was John Lenon right?

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Riprorin

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If religion, national boundaries, and private ownership were automatically eliminated, would we live in utopia?

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possession
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
 
If religion, national boundaries, and private ownership were automatically eliminated, would we live in utopia?
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Define "we." Because i know that pronoun doesn't include me.

 
Oh crap, it's a Moonbeam-bait thread.
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See, here's the problem. Lennon's "ideal world" would only work w/cavemen or "newborn adults" that had never previously had physical belongings, or knowledge of social strata.

If you took everyone in Montana (for example, OK? No harm intended to any Montana-ans!) and fenced it in, made it it's own little country, took away everyone's money, bleongings, etc and made it a John Lennon state, they would remember how it used to be.

One man would start collecting more rocks than all the other men. One woman would have more sheep or cattle than any other women. These things would be used as "currency" and the whole thing would start over.


So, no; John Lennon was not right. Massively and Beautifully and Exquisitely Freakin' Roxored Stoned, yes, but not right.
 
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Oh crap, it's a Moonbeam-bait thread.
rolleye.gif


See, here's the problem. Lennon's "ideal world" would only work w/cavemen or "newborn adults" that had never previously had physical belongings, or knowledge of social strata.

If you took everyone in Montana (for example, OK? No harm intended to any Montana-ans!) and fenced it in, made it it's own little country, took away everyone's money, bleongings, etc and made it a John Lennon state, they would remember how it used to be.

One man would start collecting more rocks than all the other men. One woman would have more sheep or cattle than any other women. These things would be used as "currency" and the whole thing would start over.


So, no; John Lennon was not right. Massively and Beautifully and Exquisitely Freakin' Roxored Stoned, yes, but not right.
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I don't think you're supposed to take it so literally. Of course we could never do this now (wipe out all religion and boundaries). He's just saying "what if?" Wouldn't it be great? It's a poem, not a political suggestion.
 
Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Oh crap, it's a Moonbeam-bait thread.
rolleye.gif


See, here's the problem. Lennon's "ideal world" would only work w/cavemen or "newborn adults" that had never previously had physical belongings, or knowledge of social strata.

If you took everyone in Montana (for example, OK? No harm intended to any Montana-ans!) and fenced it in, made it it's own little country, took away everyone's money, bleongings, etc and made it a John Lennon state, they would remember how it used to be.

One man would start collecting more rocks than all the other men. One woman would have more sheep or cattle than any other women. These things would be used as "currency" and the whole thing would start over.


So, no; John Lennon was not right. Massively and Beautifully and Exquisitely Freakin' Roxored Stoned, yes, but not right.
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Oh...sorry. I'm in "logical mode." I'll go away now.

I don't think you're supposed to take it so literally. Of course we could never do this now (wipe out all religion and boundaries). He's just saying "what if?" Wouldn't it be great? It's a poem, not a political suggestion.
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I don't think you're supposed to take it so literally. Of course we could never do this now (wipe out all religion and boundaries).
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Okay, let's say that somehow all of our brains were wiped clean of any memory of religion, capitalism, and nationalism. Would we all live harmoniously?
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
I don't think you're supposed to take it so literally. Of course we could never do this now (wipe out all religion and boundaries).
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Okay, let's say that somehow all of our brains were wiped clean of any memory of religion, capitalism, and nationalism. Would we all live harmoniously?
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No, we wouldn't. Humans invented all of that stuff, remember? Religion, capitalism, nationalism, concepts like those don't exist in a vacuum..
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
I don't think you're supposed to take it so literally. Of course we could never do this now (wipe out all religion and boundaries).
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Okay, let's say that somehow all of our brains were wiped clean of any memory of religion, capitalism, and nationalism. Would we all live harmoniously?
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we probably would...for a short time until someone invents all these things again 😉


as long as people are free, there will never be a utopia....
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
I don't think you're supposed to take it so literally. Of course we could never do this now (wipe out all religion and boundaries).
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Okay, let's say that somehow all of our brains were wiped clean of any memory of religion, capitalism, and nationalism. Would we all live harmoniously?
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No, but it'd be a good start. I guarantee 9/11 wouldn't have happened, though.
 
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Originally posted by: Jellomancer
I don't think he was being literal. But think about a world with no religion. The WTC would still be there.
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And we'd ALL be going to Hell.
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But there would be no hell, without religion.

 
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Originally posted by: Jellomancer
I don't think he was being literal. But think about a world with no religion. The WTC would still be there.
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And we'd ALL be going to Hell.
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Eh, I'm going there anyways, so it doesn't really matter to me. 😉
 
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