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Was it morally right to kill Usama bin Ladan?

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I'm glad they killed him as well but if we would have taken him alive, there would be a large Al Qaeda backlash. He's one of those people, like Hitler, that should never be taken alive. Too dangerous to be taken alive.

Agreed. He would have meaningful intel value, but there is no way in hell that his imprisonment/rendition/interrogation/trial would NOT create huge blowback among extremist Muslims, and God knows what al Qaeda and Hamas would do to try to free him or create pressure on the US to release him. Assuming we have comprehensive evidence of his identity (and it sounds like we do), I think the quick burial at sea, observing Muslim funeral formalities, was a brilliant way to get rid of that cancer once and for all.
 
I certainly hope you are not referring to the country that harbored this man for a decade allowing him to commit such acts? the same country that when given the choice to hand him over or face invasion, chose the latter?

surely, you are not talking about that. this would be foolish of you.

We are invading Pakistan?

Well OK, as long as we don't have to stick around afterwards to fix the place :colbert:
 
The middle east is a country? It's fair to lump every single middle eastern country, their governments and their citizens, into the same political and private identity?

You are a far bigger fool than I previously expected.

Borders are not relevant. The point is, we went in and messed shit up all over town and then got upset when they got upset. It is silly to say he deserved to die but we didn't... All this shit is going on in the middle east, not america.
 
Those who with malice and forethought decide to kill another should be aware that they have now forfeited their own life.

When you show mercy to a killer you show contempt for his 3000 victims.
 
I'm glad they killed him as well but if we would have taken him alive, there would be a large Al Qaeda backlash. He's one of those people, like Hitler, that should never be taken alive. Too dangerous to be taken alive.

I don't think Hitler would have been dangerous if taken alive. His army, and the citizens, had pretty much turned against him by the end of the war. he probably had 2 or 3 staffers that remained loyal to the end. ...and those all committed suicide.

retaliation of any sort would have been non-existent, certainly not in the scope that an organization like Al Qaeda could implement in this modern world. the logistics of retaliating in places all over the world, simply did not exist at the time.
 
Borders are not relevant. The point is, we went in and messed shit up all over town and then got upset when they got upset. It is silly to say he deserved to die but we didn't... All this shit is going on in the middle east, not america.

Jesus Hume Christ!

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Those who with malice and forethought decide to kill another should be aware that they have now forfeited their own life.

When you show mercy to a killer you show contempt for his 3000 victims.

CIRCULAR! There is no right answer to what you just said, which is exactly why it is so ridiculous. Mercy, grace, and forgiveness are the only tools of peace, not retaliation.
 
Agreed. He would have meaningful intel value, but there is no way in hell that his imprisonment/rendition/interrogation/trial would NOT create huge blowback among extremist Muslims, and God knows what al Qaeda and Hamas would do to try to free him or create pressure on the US to release him. Assuming we have comprehensive evidence of his identity (and it sounds like we do), I think the quick burial at sea, observing Muslim funeral formalities, was a brilliant way to get rid of that cancer once and for all.
Just like how we handled Saddam Hussein through a mocked trial, and quickly eliminated him didn't end the war in Iraq or make it any safer.

IMHO, killing or keeping Osama Bin Laden alive for a world trial isn't going to have any affect at world safety. However, the truth may reveal that the West was and is involved in terrorist activities, organization, and supports.

Just imagine what the relationship with the ME, North Africa, Chinese, Russian would be like if the truth is reveal to the public that the West is just as dirty or perhaps more dirty than the countries that it criticized.
 
CIRCULAR! There is no right answer to what you just said, which is exactly why it is so ridiculous. Mercy, grace, and forgiveness are the only tools of peace, not retaliation.
Huh? You can't fight a war like that, and it was a war of their choosing. No matter what they claim, they drew first blood, here.

Turning the other cheek is a good way to get killed.
 
CIRCULAR! There is no right answer to what you just said, which is exactly why it is so ridiculous. Mercy, grace, and forgiveness are the only tools of peace, not retaliation.

so your'e saying that the only valid form of Justice is God's justice? well, one has to infer this from your statement.

Peace can not be achieved without Justice, so what is justice, and how are we to apply it on this earthly plain?

the terrorists have their own version of justice--essentially the same (Gods)--which allows them, in their minds, free reign to innact violence on earth.
 
so your'e saying that the only valid form of Justice is God's justice? well, one has to infer this from your statement.

Peace can not be achieved without Justice, so what is justice, and how are we to apply it on this earthly plain?

the terrorists have their own version of justice--essentially the same (Gods)--which allows them, in their minds, free reign to innact violence on earth.

Peace cannot be achieved with war, it is impossible. War is the antithesis to peace, it is lunacy to think it somehow creates the other. War begets war, period. There never would have been a 9/11 if we hadn't gotten involved in the Middle East to begin with, FACT.
 
Peace cannot be achieved with war, it is impossible. War is the antithesis to peace, it is lunacy to think it somehow creates the other. War begets war, period. There never would have been a 9/11 if we hadn't gotten involved in the Middle East to begin with, FACT.

I do agree with this.

But where does that put us, now? sit down and let those who do harm go unpunished? How is one supposed to bring them to justice?

Are you going to back and change human history such that there is no war? I don't think that's going to happen. Even OT God has supposedly talked about the necessity of war. Hell, fucker dispensed "justice" on those who sinned gravely: sodomy, gambling, not thinking about him, with little to no consideration.

How the fuck are we to accept that as just?
 
You know what the problem with putting Bin Laden on trial would have been? The same problem with putting Charles Manson on trial. Scum like that only see it as a platform to further spew their hate and exercise their warped egos. We kill mad dogs out of hand and that is exactly what Bin Laden was. Too bad we didn't use a little forethought in dealing with Manson. So now, we get to continue paying for his worthless hide.
 
Huh? You can't fight a war like that, and it was a war of their choosing. No matter what they claim, they drew first blood, here.

Turning the other cheek is a good way to get killed.
Hello there!

First blood?

How many times was the US involved in wars and killing prior to 9/11?

Don't blame others for what was coming. It is an unfortunate things that innocent lives are lost, but the ants are going to bites if you keep on pissing on the ant hills.

IMHO, it would be more productive to work toward world peace by being friends instead of being negative and using force.
 
I do agree with this.

But where does that put us, now? sit down and let those who do harm go unpunished? How is one supposed to bring them to justice?

Are you going to back and change human history such that there is no war? I don't think that's going to happen. Even OT God has supposedly talked about the necessity of war. Hell, fucker dispensed "justice" on those who sinned gravely: sodomy, gambling, not thinking about him, with little to no consideration.

How the fuck are we to accept that as just?

We can't go back and change things, but we can change how we respond and do things now. There have been many things that occurred in the past that people felt were completely morally ok and no longer acceptable in any civilized nation, like slavery.

If we are defending our own country, that is one thing. But going into someone else's needs to stop. 9/11 was not first strike, it was retaliation. We need to focus on making the world better, not spending billions and countless lives to exact "justice".
 
Justice, smustice, half of the world doesn't respect anyone or anything. I'd much rather be feared. Some parts of the world have been in conflict either internally or externally for most of recorded history. The ONLY way to have peace in those areas of the globe is to obliterate their culture and, teach their children our language and values. It's a solution that's much harder to stomach than bombing the hell out of them but, historically, the only proven method to bring peace.
 
We can't go back and change things, but we can change how we respond and do things now. There have been many things that occurred in the past that people felt were completely morally ok and no longer acceptable in any civilized nation, like slavery.

If we are defending our own country, that is one thing. But going into someone else's needs to stop. 9/11 was not first strike, it was retaliation. We need to focus on making the world better, not spending billions and countless lives to exact "justice".

I agree with this. The Taliban, in charge of Afghanistan was given a choice at the time: give us bin Laden, allow us to dismantle Al Qaeda, or face the consequences.

This was not an "easy" division of lines like it is with war between a nation. al Qaeda is not a nation, neither is the Taliban. the rules are different. No one else would shelter bin Laden, but the Taliban, so the only option is to classify them as our enemy. The Taliban chose to go to war with the US.

We had no other option. not retaliating for 9-11 was not an option. At that point, it really doesn't matter that 9-11 was, in itself, a retaliation. Say what you will, but our actions in the middle east have never been agaisnt civilians. Civilians die, and that is certainly unfortunate. I'm not going to say that we have always acted in a just manner and to the best wishes of the innocents living within these nations, but we have operated against leaders and governments that would prefer to see the USA off the map.

We really have no choice, here. Of course, there is no excuse for being in Iraq in 2003. There is simply no defensible reason for that action. in 91, we failed to remove Saddam, at a time when it seemed we are moving away from the idea of nation building. I'm not going to say whether or not that decision was wrong, but it certianly kept us in Iraq until this day--and it was us being in Iraq after the Gulf War that lead to WTC 1, the USS Cole, and WTC 2 (Iraq). I believe there was an embassy attack, too? Egypt?
 
There's no way to tell he was unarmed. Anything the media says is suspect.

We don't know the circumstances of the assault.

But know this. Once the first bullet flies and a gun fight ensues, all bean bags/non-lethals goes out the windows. You also don't order them to surrender. You shoot until all the people on 1 side are dead or they all surrender. I would bet money that they were probably not going to surrender.

Even if the orders were to capture him alive, once dudes start shooting at me, I'm shooting back.
 
Hello there!

First blood?

How many times was the US involved in wars and killing prior to 9/11?

Don't blame others for what was coming. It is an unfortunate things that innocent lives are lost, but the ants are going to bites if you keep on pissing on the ant hills.

IMHO, it would be more productive to work toward world peace by being friends instead of being negative and using force.
You make it sound like the US deserved 9/11, or something.

Is that what you think?
 
It was morally wrong that we didn't march his dead body through Ground Zero than let the FDNY line up and skull fuck him through the bullet hole.
 
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