Originally posted by: LandRover
Glad to see that you took the time to at least try spelling his last name...
Schwarzenegger
(And no, I didn't look it up)
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Arnold couldn't compete today for the simple reason that he's old. He must be in his fifties now.
How much are these guys able to lift, anyway? And how come we don't see them in the World's Strongest Man competitions? I love the Swedish guys like Magnus von Magnusson, Magnus Mag Magnusson, Von Magnus Vongusson, and Nus Mag Nusmaggun because they don't LOOK huge, but man, they could tear down a house.
How much are these guys able to lift, anyway? And how come we don't see them in the World's Strongest Man competitions? I love the Swedish guys like Magnus von Magnusson, Magnus Mag Magnusson, Von Magnus Vongusson, and Nus Mag Nusmaggun because they don't LOOK huge, but man, they could tear down a house.
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No doubt about it the current Mr. Olympias are exceptionally strong, but we don't see them in the world's strongest man competitions because that's simply not what they do. WSM their entire training is geared towards moving the most weight or the most weight in the quickest time whereas strictly speaking a bodybuilder doesn't care if they can even bench 50 lbs. Of course a pro bodybuilder is very strong, but the WSM, though not always as big (if you cut all their fat away I mean) are quite possibly going to be fitter (some of the crap they do there requires some cardio strength!) and since they train for power instead of size that is what their body has grown best at doing.
There's a strong correlation between size and strength obviously but most people believe that if you train purely for strength you'll not be as big as somebody training purely for size and yet you will be stronger. The former is worked at with fewer sets, longer rest times, heavier weights, and the latter with more sets, less rest, higher reps. Really there is major overlap though.
There is no perfection til you've come close to looking like Arnold. He's the epitome of the perfect specimen of bodybuilding. I mean just look at him! There isn't one part of his body that's flawed. I read some of his biography and was amazed at his dedication to the sport at such a young age.
His biceps are perfect. Nowadays you have 'engineered' bodybuilders who swear by drugs to keep them looking the way they do. I don't doubt Arnold used 'enhancements', but he more or less amassed his through 'hard work'.
His biceps are perfect. Nowadays you have 'engineered' bodybuilders who swear by drugs to keep them looking the way they do. I don't doubt Arnold used 'enhancements', but he more or less amassed his through 'hard work'.
As far as i am concerned, the ones who came after him couldn't measure up to him before, Dorian was second to Lee when lee competed, if lee would have continued, dorian would never have won...
This guy had such extreme symmetry and he REALLY knew how to pose...
Not that i don't think dorian was great, he was, with a back like a truck, when he turned his back on the crowd, comparisons ended as it was pretty clear...
But Damn, lee was awesome!
Magnus Samuelsson is HUGE, he dwarfs me easily, but he doesn't have to loose any fat, he'll be stronger with the fat in place...
And he is STRONG, really really strong...
Oh please, the weider lie has been spread enough, Joe Weider was never anyones mentor, not Arnies, Not Lee's, and certainly not Dorians...
Joe weider is NOT the "trainer of champions" he calims to be...
For his time, arnie was ripped, have you noticed how they all got bigger and more ripped after that, Lee Haney would destroy arnold just because of his symmetry...
And before arnie, there was Sergio, who was a better builder than arnie could ever hope to be...
Yes, no2 in history... second to Lee Haney (who has 8) who could have taken 20 if he wanted too...
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But the guy hardly even works out. He looks like a regular joe who just got a tan and shaved. He has no real muscle and no definition because his bodyfat is admittedly in the high teens and 20 in one of those pics. I don't get it. How can that guy not have been told to give up or at least start working out before going to these competitions?
I know, pure craziness. I thought it was a joke page too until one of the professionals at musclemag.com told everyone that he has seen the guy before. I guess there are quite a few who look like that in novice classes.
You're right. He has NO muscle definition. I wonder what his workout and diet consist of.
You're right. He has NO muscle definition. I wonder what his workout and diet consist of.
lol, if you only knew.......
It is a very safe bet that 99.8% of all the top pros today do. 90% of the major sports do in some way. They might get tested, and come up clean, because Somatropin (HGH, or growth hormone) is not detectable. That and insulin is really is what is responsible for turning bodybuilders into the freaks you see today. The insulin builds the mass, the GH sheds the fat and builds muscle.
WOW, that is a bunch of BS if i ever heard one, Somatropin will show up in a drug test for weeks, raised insulin leels will show up too...
What do you think, that they TEST them, get a grip man, Pro bodybuilding has no tests, and GH isn't the wonderdrug, it's the combination of GH and Insulin (or IGF1 if you so will, which is what 90% of GH becomes)...
I wonder where you got your info, stop reading that crap and realize that Somatropin is nothing more than recombinant HgH and it is as detectable as any other protein based drug... (sompatropin, sold under brand names like genotropin, is a synthetic version of real Somatropin, which is Human Growth Hormone)
snapit, I meant that the reason it's not detected is because it is VERY rarely looked for. You don't have to get all defensive about it....
"realize that Somatropin is nothing more than recombinant HgH"
Duh. Just like Clomid is really Clomephine Citrate. It's the same thing, just a different name. Just like Humatrope, is the same thing as Somatropin. Justlike Norandren, Deca Durabolin is Nandrolone Decanote. That's nothing new.
90% or more tests for steroids never test for somatropin nor insulin. Insulin is an over the counter drug. No prescription required, so why would they test for something that isn't illegal in the first place.
And just like you said, and I said earlier, insulin and Gh together work wonders. Not just one alone is nearly as effective as both together. You need to chill out and get your facts straight and do your homework before bringing this up to me because you just look that much dumber to me after restating what I said earlier like you are an endocrinologist. I have been on insulin (I am diabetic) for the past 18 years, and have been taking 3-4IU's of GH a day for the past 2 years (I have a prescription and yes I know GH raises my insulin resistance). So, you are speaking about something you have NO firsthand knowledge of.
Pro BB'ers don't get tested for Anabolics or Androgens. They get tested for diruretics and the like. If you need more education on the matter, feel free to visit anabolex.com, meso-rx.com, or elitefitness.com . There are thousands of knowledeable guys there to answer your questions.
"realize that Somatropin is nothing more than recombinant HgH"
Duh. Just like Clomid is really Clomephine Citrate. It's the same thing, just a different name. Just like Humatrope, is the same thing as Somatropin. Justlike Norandren, Deca Durabolin is Nandrolone Decanote. That's nothing new.
90% or more tests for steroids never test for somatropin nor insulin. Insulin is an over the counter drug. No prescription required, so why would they test for something that isn't illegal in the first place.
And just like you said, and I said earlier, insulin and Gh together work wonders. Not just one alone is nearly as effective as both together. You need to chill out and get your facts straight and do your homework before bringing this up to me because you just look that much dumber to me after restating what I said earlier like you are an endocrinologist. I have been on insulin (I am diabetic) for the past 18 years, and have been taking 3-4IU's of GH a day for the past 2 years (I have a prescription and yes I know GH raises my insulin resistance). So, you are speaking about something you have NO firsthand knowledge of.
Pro BB'ers don't get tested for Anabolics or Androgens. They get tested for diruretics and the like. If you need more education on the matter, feel free to visit anabolex.com, meso-rx.com, or elitefitness.com . There are thousands of knowledeable guys there to answer your questions.
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