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DrewSG3

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Here's his reaction:

Kossacks:
The last few hours have been nothing short of astounding. Since Congresswoman Michele Bachmann appeared on MSNBC?s Hardball earlier tonight, there?s been a deluge of support unlike anything we have seen. We are so grateful to the Daily Kos community and others who?ve sounded the alarm on Bachmann?s extremist, shameful rhetoric and pitched in with whatever they can to help end her tenure in Congress.

Our phones haven?t stopped ringing. Many have called in to say they?re sorry they can only send money and wish they could be here to help. We want you to know what a difference your funds are making and that, thanks in part to your help, we are confident that we will be able to win this race. We are preparing to get out the vote on an unprecedented scale, and with supporters like you we will have the resources we need to get the job done.

I am both hopeful and humbled at the reminder you gave me tonight ? that in our country?s darkest times, it is the strength and belief and action of ordinary Americans that ultimately brings about the change we need. From the hardworking folks in Minnesota?s Sixth District to all of you: we are proud to have you on our side.

Thank you,

El Tinklenberg

I hope he wins now
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Wow, I watched the response to Bachmann and even Pat Buchanan wasn't convinced. He might be so right wing the GOP won't touch him, but even he doesn't think liberals are anti-American.

Apparently, Liberals, meaning Mr Obama, being unAmerican is the latest Republican talking point. Ms Palin, Babe Buchanan, and Ms Bachman have said the same thing.

It is an amazing coincidence that Ms Buchanan and Ms Bachman just happen to question the patriotism of Michele Obama and liberal university professors.
 
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She desperately needs to be shot...only possible thing to do with people like that. The improvement to the world would be well worth the down sides.
 

chess9

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Originally posted by: Fern
Sounds like from she's from P&N, except here the conservative are low brow uneducated knuckle dragging racists bigots. I forgot to add that they are all unamerican because they hate the Constitution too.

Fern

And we thought you hadn't learned a thing.... ;)

-Robert

 

chess9

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I saw the interview. She's a McCarthy era throwback with a pretty face. In her case the pig is on the inside, and the lipstick outside.

Is anyone surprised at the intolerance of the right wing? Why? This isn't news, and certainly Matthews wasn't surprised, although he feigned surprise.

-Robert
 

BMW540I6speed

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Mathews spent thirteen minutes with that person and did not once ask her what she meant by "leftist".

Of course, she probably wouldn't have answered any of these questions, but to have asked them would have better exposed the idiocy and uselessness of the terms "leftist" and "anti-american".

He could have asked, for example:

Isn't it "leftist" to nationalize banking, as we have just done?

Isn't it "leftist" to commit to buying $300,000,000,000 of Americans' home loans, as John McCain has committed to doing?

Is one automatically leftist if one proposes one or two leftist solutions out of an entire policy package?

What percentage of a Senator's votes have to be left-leaning for her to consider them "leftist"?

Are terrorists, who are anti-American, also "leftist" or are there many varieties of anti American, and the leftist kind is just the worst?

Is it "anti-american" to criticize america? Or is "anti-America" just sort of a "je ne sais quois"? Is she anti-American for criticizing a major party candidate and her fellow senators, or exactly what does one have to criticize about America to be considered anti-American? Or do you just have to not like America? What if I like parts of America, like the beaches, but not other parts, like the deserts? is that ok, or am I anti-American?

Is the first amendment then "anti-america"? or just people who actually dare to take advantage of their first amendment rights?

Is it possible to be "rightist" and be "anti-american"?

Of course, she wouldn't have answered these questions, but it would have exposed to those who have an inkling that this is a stupid line of reasoning that is strawman city.

Listening to Bachman spew her vile rot, I was reminded of one of the darkest periods in American history, that which took its name from the paranoid red baiting senator, Joe McCarthy. If anyone is un-American may I suggest that the views espoused by the congresswoman along with those of Sarah Palin etal, are not only un-American, but utterly despicable. They smack of facism and have no place in the current campaign. American history has had more than its share of dark periods. We do not need to add yet another chapter.
 

ScottyB

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Originally posted by: chess9
I saw the interview. She's a McCarthy era throwback with a pretty face. In her case the pig is on the inside, and the lipstick outside.

Is anyone surprised at the intolerance of the right wing? Why? This isn't news, and certainly Matthews wasn't surprised, although he feigned surprise.

-Robert

How can you call that a "pretty face"? I would hate to see what you call ugly.
 

BoberFett

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Despite what her personal views are, I find it funny how all of the poor, sensitive Democrats pounding her with ad hominem attacks after spending years complaining about the big mean Republicans.

That's tacit approval of the last couple decades of Republican smear campaigns, no?
 

Dari

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I think she just needs to get laid. This is my humble opinion.

It's amazing what sex can do for rabid women. It relaxes them.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Despite what her personal views are, I find it funny how all of the poor, sensitive Democrats pounding her with ad hominem attacks after spending years complaining about the big mean Republicans.

That's tacit approval of the last couple decades of Republican smear campaigns, no?

Oh c'mon, Fett.... when have even the craziest of leftists here (besides McOwen) called explicitly for McCarthyism attacks against Republicans?
Or did you just miss that a United States Congressperson demanded for creating a new HUAC on national TV?
That's a little different than Moonbeam posting his views on ATPN, wouldn't you agree? This is a Republican member of Congress, an elected official, saying that some people shouldn't be allowed to express their views, by force of law, because she considers such views to be "anti-American."
Just me, but I find that to be a wee bit different than some idiot's rants on a message board. Or even a smear campaign.
 

Farang

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Politico says her opponent is still counting the cash and it is at least $150,000 but probably much more
 

Vic

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Just finished watching the entire video at msnbc.com, and one huge question stuck out in my mind... when did Harry Reid become a liberal much less a "radical leftist" like Bachmann claims?
 

imported_Imp

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Oh, this idiot, the one with the fake smile on TV and called any questions towards Palin's qualifications "sexist".
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Fern
Sounds like from she's from P&N, except here the conservative are low brow uneducated knuckle dragging racists bigots. I forgot to add that they are all unamerican because they hate the Constitution too.

Fern

Yeah, because conservatives on here NEVER insult liberals like that :roll:

I don't have a scientific poll in front of me or anything, but while I'll be the first to admit that sometimes liberal commentary can veer in that direction, I think conservatives engage in far more common usage of this particular tactic.

And this makes some sense, when you think about it. Conservative commentators generally use "liberal" as a standalone insult, as if accusing someone of liberalism says it all. Liberal commentators never do this with conservatives, or if they do I haven't heard it. Attacking ideas is one thing, but attacking the ideology as a whole is something else...and something I think SOME conservatives do way more often.

On October 17, 2008, Bachmann (R) Minnesota, during an interview with Chris Mathews on MSNBC, called for an investigation of both houses of congress to identify Anti-American leftist members
I don't think any Democrat will ever top this.
The name McKinney ring a bell?
 

Rainsford

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Apr 25, 2001
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Despite what her personal views are, I find it funny how all of the poor, sensitive Democrats pounding her with ad hominem attacks after spending years complaining about the big mean Republicans.

That's tacit approval of the last couple decades of Republican smear campaigns, no?

Not really, Republicans smear folks, no matter who they are, using any tactics they can think of, in pursuit of more power. The "lady" acted like a complete ass clown on national TV, and people are calling her on it. Is this one of those days where you can't quite grasp the difference?
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: RKDaley
Originally posted by: DrewSG3
How do you guys see how much money he has raised?
You can see here:
http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/18660

As good a political cause as I can think of. I just donated, and I would encourage all of you Democrats that want asshole Republicans out on their asses to do the same...maybe it will help send a message. And for you Republicans out there, is THIS really how you want people to see your party?