Warren ends campaign

[MomentsofSanity]

But he's not constitutionally ineligible to be president, just elected president. The constitution states election, not permission to be.

Validly it would face legal scrutiny but I do believe the intent and likely interpretation would have been to prevent the kind of back door presidency that is being discussed here.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Validly it would face legal scrutiny but I do believe the intent and likely interpretation would have been to prevent the kind of back door presidency that is being discussed here.

I'm sure we can get our elected representatives to fire off an amendment with bipartisan support to fix that one, in a jiffy.

 

[fskimospy]

I would think she would endorse Bernie. If she doesn't then I assume it is out of spite, for whatever things have happened between them, but from a pure policy standpoint, the obvious choice is Bernie.

I suspect the reason she hasn't endorsed Bernie is because she doubts his ability to win.

 

[hal2kilo]

I don't know. My guess is he offers a chance to Stacey Abrams but I don't know if she has a desire to be "token black woman". Pete is probably a safe 2nd bet for a young gun on the bench and will help him in Iowa and some other Midwest states.

I don't even know if Biden has a desire to run a second term. He may just be looking for someone to groom and take the wheel.

Biden's response said among other things that he (Biden) will be looking forward to working with her in the Senate. Kind of telling.

 

[hal2kilo]

Sander's currently making appeal to Warren voters.

 

[ivwshane]

Sander's currently making appeal to Warren voters.

It certainly sounded like he was not only trying to appeal to her voters but to her as well.



Here is a crazy thought; could both Biden and sanders say they will pick warren as a VP and warren say that she will support whoever wins the nomination? It would show the voters that democratic unity is what’s important.


On a side note; while I think warren is an effective senator and should stay there IF the Dems can’t take the senate, she is also very effective at pushing/explaining policy to the public and having her as the VP would help whoever the president is in regards to selling the public on policy ideas.

 

[sandorski]

It certainly sounded like he was not only trying to appeal to her voters but to her as well.



Here is a crazy thought; could both Biden and sanders say they will pick warren as a VP and warren say that she will support whoever wins the nomination? It would show the voters that democratic unity is what’s important.


On a side note; while I think warren is an effective senator and should stay there IF the Dems can’t take the senate, she is also very effective at pushing/explaining policy to the public and having her as the VP would help whoever the president is in regards to selling the public on policy ideas.

I doubt Biden/Sanders would accept that arrangement. They need/want the Bump of Support.

 

[Printed Circuit Bro]

But he's not constitutionally ineligible to be president, just elected president. The constitution states election, not permission to be.

The Constitution also gives a maximum amount of time someone can be president regardless of being elected or not, a maximum of 10 years.

The amendment was passed by Congress in 1947, and was ratified by the states on February 27, 1951. The Twenty-Second Amendment says a person can only be elected to be president two times for a total of eight years. It does make it possible for a person to serve up to ten years as president. This can happen if a person (most likely the Vice-President) takes over for a president who can no longer serve their term. If this person serves two years or less of the preceding President’s term, he or she may serve for two more four-year terms. If he or she served more than two years of the last President's term, the new President can serve only one full four-year term. Under the language of the amendment, the President at the time of its ratification (Harry Truman) was exempt from the two-term limitation. Truman served nearly all of Roosevelt's unexpired fourth term and then was elected President once, serving his own four year term.

Twenty-second Amendment to the United States Constitution - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

simple.wikipedia.org

 

[Bitek]

I was also disappointed with her attacks on everyone. Still think she would make a great AG.

Generally I think there is a good position in the cabinet for her, however, one note I saw is that MA has an R governor, and if she left she would have an R replace her seat. Obviously Ds can't afford that, so she's most valuable keeping her seat.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

The Constitution also gives a maximum amount of time someone can be president regardless of being elected or not, a maximum of 10 years.

The amendment was passed by Congress in 1947, and was ratified by the states on February 27, 1951. The Twenty-Second Amendment says a person can only be elected to be president two times for a total of eight years. It does make it possible for a person to serve up to ten years as president. This can happen if a person (most likely the Vice-President) takes over for a president who can no longer serve their term. If this person serves two years or less of the preceding President’s term, he or she may serve for two more four-year terms. If he or she served more than two years of the last President's term, the new President can serve only one full four-year term. Under the language of the amendment, the President at the time of its ratification (Harry Truman) was exempt from the two-term limitation. Truman served nearly all of Roosevelt's unexpired fourth term and then was elected President once, serving his own four year term.

Twenty-second Amendment to the United States Constitution - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

simple.wikipedia.org

Ehh, close but not quite, here's the text:
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

Again, the text says elected. If they aren't elected president, it's technically skirting the constitutional amendment. If that last line was 'shall serve in the office of the Presidency' that'd be different.

 

[vi edit]

Generally I think there is a good position in the cabinet for her, however, one note I saw is that MA has an R governor, and if she left she would have an R replace her seat. Obviously Ds can't afford that, so she's most valuable keeping her seat.

Correct. And there were quite a few voters that noted that in their decision on exit polls. "We'd rather have her here".

 

[zinfamous]

I don't know what's best for Warren, but no way is it a good idea for Biden to pick another white male moderate for VP. Warren would be a much better choice for him.

you're not wrong, but it's the difference between politicking and doing actual work and what is really relevant in the end. It may "look better" to have someone like Warren campaigning with him on the ticket, but it effectively neuters her in every way that people want her in leadership positions.

 

[m8d]

No regrets with my vote after listening to her presser. America just isn’t a place where the best person = the best candidate/winning candidate—and we need to figure out why.

I’m not crying, you are!!

America loves mediocrity.

 

[Printed Circuit Bro]

No regrets with my vote after listening to her presser. America just isn’t a place where the best person = the best candidate/winning candidate—and we need to figure out why.

I’m not crying, you are!!

The problem with this is that "best" is subjective. "Best" candidate to one person isn't even a viable candidate to another.

There is no "best" candidate.

 

[hal2kilo]

If you watch the interview of Sanders on TRMS last night, Bernie really had no answers as to why less young voters showed up than in 2016. Not showing up, has consequences.

 

[vi edit]

If you watch the interview of Sanders on TRMS last night, Bernie really had no answers as to why less young voters showed up than in 2016. Not showing up, has consequences.

And it's not just young. It's also educated women. My wife has Dr. in front of her name, donated to Warren and cursed the day Biden jumped into the race. She has no palate for Bernie what so ever.

 

[Sunburn74]

If you watch the interview of Sanders on TRMS last night, Bernie really had no answers as to why less young voters showed up than in 2016. Not showing up, has consequences.

Bernie would be stupid not to pick either her or Stacy Adams. He needs the youth support and the votes of Southerners.

Warren was my choice through this whole process but with her out I gotta go with Bernie.

 

[repoman0]

Generally I think there is a good position in the cabinet for her, however, one note I saw is that MA has an R governor, and if she left she would have an R replace her seat. Obviously Ds can't afford that, so she's most valuable keeping her seat.

Charlie Baker is a fake republican, or rather what the R party should be. He has nothing in common with the mainstream party anymore and would probably replace her with a D. If he didn't we'd vote him out immediately but as it is, one of the most liberal states in the nation keeps giving him his job back.

 

[dank69]

Generally I think there is a good position in the cabinet for her, however, one note I saw is that MA has an R governor, and if she left she would have an R replace her seat. Obviously Ds can't afford that, so she's most valuable keeping her seat.

Yes, clearly her Senate seat should be part of this calculus. Gaining the Senate majority is almost as important as removing Trump. Almost.

 

[dank69]

Charlie Baker is a fake republican, or rather what the R party should be. He has nothing in common with the mainstream party anymore and would probably replace her with a D. If he didn't we'd vote him out immediately but as it is, one of the most liberal states in the nation keeps giving him his job back.

I think you are underestimating the likelihood of MA giving her seat to the GOP. They already did with Brown and he might want another shot at it if she vacates it.

 

[repoman0]

I think you are underestimating the likelihood of MA giving her seat to the GOP. They already did with Brown and he might want another shot at it if she vacates it.

I doubt it, Baker knows it'd be the end of his political career here if he did that. Policywise I have no idea why he doesn't just call himself a Democrat.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

It certainly sounded like he was not only trying to appeal to her voters but to her as well.



Here is a crazy thought; could both Biden and sanders say they will pick warren as a VP and warren say that she will support whoever wins the nomination? It would show the voters that democratic unity is what’s important.


On a side note; while I think warren is an effective senator and should stay there IF the Dems can’t take the senate, she is also very effective at pushing/explaining policy to the public and having her as the VP would help whoever the president is in regards to selling the public on policy ideas.

Sure why not.

 

[soulcougher73]

Biden/Sanders or Sanders/Biden...we get all the Dem voters?

 

[shortylickens]

All the candidates dropping out strikes me as amusing. I wonder what will happen if we make it to November with NO democrats on the ballot.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Biden/Sanders or Sanders/Biden...we get all the Dem voters?

Nope one of the usual Bros said no to a very similar idea.