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[shiner]

<< Not my idea of a perfect lifestyle. >>



So it wasn't perfect. Who's life really is? At least your dad is a MAN and took responsibility for his actions. I think you need to talk to your pops and take a lesson or to from him. God forbid you should ever have to struggle in life. Someone please tell me that all kinds today don't have his sort of attitude. If they do then I'm praying for a comet to come lay the smak down on all of us.

 

[iamwiz82]

<< That philosophy is more disgusting then the pictures in that link. >>



Maybe to you it is. I dont feel that he should have had to endure a HEART ATTACK at 33 because of the stress, either. I am a selfish person, if it came to me or an unborn fetus, sorry, that fetus is going to have to go. It would be totally different if it was a healthy newborn though, because at that point it is living on its own.

I dont believe in partial brith abortion though, i feel that is murder, since the child can survive on its own at that point.

 

[shiner]

<< I am a selfish person, if it came to me or an unborn fetus, sorry, that fetus is going to have to go >>



Don't ever have kids ok? If you need $ for a vasectomy I'm sure we could raise the funds for you.

 

[Viper GTS]

I am a selfish person, if it came to me or an unborn fetus, sorry, that fetus is going to have to go.

Repeat the first third of that to yourself a few times, that's not something to be proud of.

I dont feel that he should have had to endure a HEART ATTACK at 33 because of the stress, either.

First off, you can't prove the heart attack wouldn't have happened if your brother was decomposing in a mass grave right now. Second, for every action there are consequences. He accepted those consequences, for that he has my respect.

How you ended up with your morals is beyond me, it seems like you had a good example to follow.

Viper GTS

 

[iamwiz82]

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<< Not my idea of a perfect lifestyle. >>



So it wasn't perfect. Who's life really is? At least your dad is a MAN and took responsibility for his actions. I think you need to talk to your pops and take a lesson or to from him. God forbid you should ever have to struggle in life. Someone please tell me that all kinds today don't have his sort of attitude. If they do then I'm praying for a comet to come lay the smak down on all of us. >>



I am the average youth of today. I am apathetic. I have been through enough in my life to not let others choose what i do. I will continue to have protected sex, because, in the future i do plan on having children with the girl i am with, but its not the right time now. If i had a child now, i would have to drop out of a college i have given $40,000 of my money, andi become another unskilled worker, flipping burgers. Having a child before your time lowers the lifestyle to a point of poverty, which is not good for anyone. This child is raised in a family which cant afford it and the child suffers too.

 

[jeremy806]

This is why I find abortion disgusting. I had a very young mother. Lucky for me she took the hard road and didn't murder me.

jeremy806

 

[Dually]

thank you for that. If I showed you a picture of heart surgery it would look disgusting to.,

 

[Yo Ma Ma]

If the only reason you would have an abortion is for financial reasons, then why not consider adoption? You would be relieved (perhaps even compensated) of your burden, the child would live, and a otherwise childless couple could enjoy having a baby, win-win-win.

 

[iamwiz82]

<< First off, you can't prove the heart attack wouldn't have happened if your brother was decomposing in a mass grave right now. Second, for every action there are consequences. He accepted those consequences, for that he has my respect. >>



Actually, it was from that. He had it coming home from work. Fortunately it was mild, and he recovered. At the time he was healthy and fit. My morals come from what i see in today's society. Life is cruel, and i have come to accept it.

Now here is something:

lets say i have a child now, and i drop out of college, where do you think that child will be in 18 years? Do you think he or she would have been raised in a home which is suitable for a child?


I also have come to accept the fact that i am selfish. I admit it. I am not proud of it, but it is me. I can admit my weaknesses, which most people cant do, and i probably will change my views in the future. But, as it stands, i will not bring a child into this world in the next 4 years.

 

[shiner]

<< I am the average youth of today. >>



If that is true then I weep for the future of this country. I'd like to line up all you whiny ass sefish punks and give you the ass kickings you deserve one by one.



<< If i had a child now, i would have to drop out of a college i have given $40,000 of my money, andi become another unskilled worker, flipping burgers. >>



It's all about choices man....if you're going to play the game you have to be aware that there is a distinct possibility your girl could end up pregnant. If you aren't willing to accept the consequences and take responsibility like a man then I would suggest you keep little iamwiz82 in your pants.

 

[GTaudiophile]

I don't need to see these pics to know that abortion is not only inhumane, but just plain immoral. Those of you who are pro-life and are screaming your heads off, shut up, put your money where your mouth is, and just go here.

 

[iamwiz82]

<< If the only reason you would have an abortion is for financial reasons, then why not consider adoption? You would be relieved (perhaps even compensated) of your burden, the child would live, and a otherwise childless couple could enjoy having a baby, win-win-win. >>



Its not financial, its educational. And one thing i WILL NOT DO is abadon my girlfriend. I care about her too much to let anyhting happen to her. And you know, if she did tell me that she wanted to give the baby up for adoption, i would not stop her, but i think it would tear both of our lives apart.

 

[iamwiz82]

shinerburke, would you rather i go on welfare, WIC, and every other govt. assited program?

I find it funny that the same people who scream that i should keep a baby bitch that taxes go up to pay for it.

 

[shiner]

<< lets say i have a child now, and i drop out of college, where do you think that child will be in 18 years? Do you think he or she would have been raised in a home which is suitable for a child? >>



Don't try to win this argument kiddo. Both of my parents came from dirt poor families, and I do mean DIRT POOR!. There were times when they could not eat and had nothing but flour or potato sacks to wear as clothes. Both my parents had multiple brothers and sisters and each and every one of those kids went on to be VERY successful. Why? Because they worked hard. Life isn't easy, you get out of it what you put into it. If you just expect to coast through life and never have any hard decisions to make then you are just fooling yourself. People like you make me sick...you think the world owes you something when it does not! The only thing this big old world owes you is the chance to succeed or fail on your own.

 

[Noriaki]

<< Don't try to win this argument kiddo >>

You sir are a complete and utter ass. Don't try to &quot;win&quot;, so as soon as someone disagrees with you they are are wrong? It's people like you that make 500 of these pointless flame wars every day.

 

[iamwiz82]

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<< lets say i have a child now, and i drop out of college, where do you think that child will be in 18 years? Do you think he or she would have been raised in a home which is suitable for a child? >>



Don't try to win this argument kiddo. Both of my parents came from dirt poor families, and I do mean DIRT POOR!. There were times when they could not eat and had nothing but flour or potato sacks to wear as clothes. Both my parents had multiple brothers and sisters and each and every one of those kids went on to be VERY successful. Why? Because they worked hard. Life isn't easy, you get out of it what you put into it. If you just expect to coast through life and never have any hard decisions to make then you are just fooling yourself. People like you make me sick...you think the world owes you something when it does not! The only thing this big old world owes you is the chance to succeed or fail on your own. >>




I am sorry i feel that it is wrong to bring a child into this world if it cant be raised properly. I am curious shiner, did you lose your virginity before your were married? If so, you were acting just as selfishly.

 

[shiner]

<< I find it funny that the same people who scream that i should keep a baby bitch that taxes go up to pay for it. >>



I would much rather pay taxes for having that kid raised by whatever means than I would to see it murdered before it ever got a chance in life. Just because you have a child that doesn't condemn you to a life of poverty. Sure it will be more difficult but if you are willing to work you can make it. Lots of people have. It just sounds to me like your a lazy ass kid who doesn't ever want to have to really work for anything.

 

[Hanpan]

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<< Now, i think my dad would say he made the right decsision, but i beg to differ. He spent 5 grueling years going to night school to get a bachelors degree, while working 60 hours a week. Not my idea of a perfect lifestyle. >>



So, let's see. Your opinion would be that your Dad's hard work of earning a degree while caring for his family, and taking care of his responsibilites was the WRONG decision?

Would have been better to just snuff the baby, so he wouldn't have to work so hard?

That philosophy is more disgusting then the pictures in that link.

Russ, NCNE >>




damm that is brutal but your are 100% correct. I am glad someone will stand for what is right.

 

[Kilgor]

<< I am the average youth of today. >>



God I hope not, if you?re the average youth I don?t feel so good about the future. If you don?t want to accept the responsibilities of being an adult don?t act like one.

Did your parents raise such a selfish kid or is it learned behavior.

 

[iamwiz82]

<< It just sounds to me like your a lazy ass kid who doesn't ever want to have to really work for anything. >>



Ahh... here we go. You think i'm lazy? I am attending one of the toughest schools in America. I have a full time job as an Network Technician, and i have not free time. In fact, i have a physics test tomorrow which i should be studying for, but instad i am arguing with you here.

Another point i would like to make:

The world is coming to a point were it is dangerously overpopulated. If there was no way to control the population, you would be living with 50 of your closest family members in your garage.

 

[shiner]

<< I am curious shiner, did you lose your virginity before your were married? If so, you were acting just as selfishly. >>



Not that it's any of your business but yes, yes I did. The difference between you and I is that I was willing to take responsibility if that had happened to me. You know what....it did happen to me and I have an 8 year old girl. Unfortunately things between her mother and I didn't work out but I still take financial responsibility for that child and see her when I can(sorta difficult since her mother husband live in Oregon.) Now that my ex is married she has told me several times to stop sending money and that she doesn't need it. I still send it and tell her to put it in savings for my daughter. I even have a college fund setup that I put money into each payday. You see...the difference is that I knew the rules of the game and what could happen. When the pregnancy did occur I took responsibility for my actions and acted like a man. Something you would apparently have no clue about.

 

[shiner]

<< Don't try to &quot;win&quot;, so as soon as someone disagrees with you they are are wrong? It's people like you that make 500 of these pointless flame wars every day. >>



What I am saying is that iamwiz82 thinks that if he did have a kid now he would never have a chance for financial success and the kid would be doomed to be raised in poverty. It simply isn't true.

 

[reitz]

<< My girlfriend and i both understand that if she gets pregnant, we will be visiting out local abortion doctor. >>

Then why are you having sex? Some people here seem to forget that, with the exception of rape, NO ONE gets pregnant on accident.

Abortion is nothing more than another way to keep from facing the consequences of one's actions (excluding cases of rape and when it is performed to save the life of the mother).

 

[V]

Oh man. How sad

 

[iamwiz82]

<< Not that it's any of your business but yes, yes I did. The difference between you and I is that I was willing to take responsibility if that had happened to me. You know what....it did happen to me and I have an 8 year old girl. Unfortunately things between her mother and I didn't work out but I still take financial responsibility for that child and see her when I can(sorta difficult since her mother husband live in Oregon.) Now that my ex is married she has told me several times to stop sending money and that she doesn't need it. I still send it and tell her to put it in savings for my daughter. I even have a college fund setup that I put money into each payday. You see...the difference is that I knew the rules of the game and what could happen. When the pregnancy did occur I took responsibility for my actions and acted like a man. Something you would apparently have no clue about. >>



WONDERFUL!! another divorced family. If you ask me, divorce should be deemed wrong just as much as abortion should be!!

I can bet money that your girl has been negatively effected by your divorce. You dont have the contact you should with YOUR CHILD!!

HOW CAN YOU PREACH MORALS WHEN YOU HAVE NONE YOURSELF!!

DAMMIT, if i had a kid, i would be there for him or her! NO divorce for me, thanx. I have enough responsiblity to put my living child before my own feelings.