Originally posted by: Ornery
- Holy CRAP!
LMAO @ ZapZilla's 07/19/2002 5:11 AM Post!
Great shlt!
:Q
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The for sale/trade board totally rocked ,I first started as a trader over there and it was wonderful
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Very valid suggestions in this thread,
OT for subscribers only is a nice way to potentially save some bandwidth, although it still would not make me want to subscribe.
Hot deals for subscribers only? Heftywallet is already the most liberal H/D forum that I know of that is very popular, not sure how that would do.
FS/FT forum might be a good idea for subscriber only, maybe it would help cut down on trolls?
I must have gotten confused again as to which forum I'm in...
Must have just passed the H/D forum on the left back there.
We now return to your normal programming.
OT for subscribers only is a nice way to potentially save some bandwidth, although it still would not make me want to subscribe.
Hot deals for subscribers only? Heftywallet is already the most liberal H/D forum that I know of that is very popular, not sure how that would do.
FS/FT forum might be a good idea for subscriber only, maybe it would help cut down on trolls?
I must have gotten confused again as to which forum I'm in...
Must have just passed the H/D forum on the left back there.
We now return to your normal programming.
I think that ZapZilla has a very good idea. Make it so that members can easily and anonymously 'warn' the Mods about people neffing or generally behaving badly. We already have a system of User Ratings which is essentially worthless IMO... people only rate others when they're mad at them, and a rating can never be changed once it's been entered. A quick-and-easy method (single-click simplicity) of rating each post at a time would be a great way to start 'community policing'. Actually, the best way to *start* community policing would be for nefs/idiots to be ignored and/or talked down. However, this is of limited usfulness IMO since it often backfires and leads to more crap/flaming/etc and not any 'official' action taken.
It's kind of funny to me how AT really is like a physical community. There are different areas of town, so to speak... some people hang out mostly in GH or DC, with an occasional side trip into other peripheral areas, and some (who are completely at ease in their 'normal' forums) are so scared by their first visit to OT that they vow to never come back again. Others hang out mostly in OT with cautious ventures into the 'technical' forums every once in a while, but they're somewhat intimidated by the presence of the other members whom they've never seen before and who obviously know a lot (and who possibly look down their noses at OT 'chatroomers'), so they retreat back to OT and perhaps watch from the sidelines in the other forums. Almost everybody enjoys a good trip to HD, where members from all different areas of the community can congregate with a single goal in mind. Others feel at home everywhere and partake of every part of the community.
I think that Nate's original observation that OT is 'approaching critical mass' is particularly apt. Every community experiences growing pains, and in some ways becomes the victim of its own success. Whether it means demolishing houses to widen the streets, or going into debt to finance a new airport or cultural center, there are always 'turning points' in the evolution of communities. They are often a big PITA in the short-run, but a correct decision ensures continued growth well into the future. I think that AT Forums experienced one major decision with the creation of Subscriber accounts -- a decision that I think was the right one (I'm not a subscriber BTW). However, more obviously needs to be done. It is likely that there won't be a quick and easy solution, but with enough research and brainstorming (I think that threads like this are great for various people to air their ideas and opinions) the right decision can be made.
Turning OT or HD into subscribers-only forums is a bad solution. Almost all of the hardcore nefs and 'chatroom types' are already subscribers anyway, so it's not going to make a difference except by making the chatroom more exclusive. Also, many people are first drawn to AT by HD, and many are convinced to stay by OT, so it'd be counter-productive to limit it to subscribers. I know that the proposed solution will require a lot of programming and work to implement, but the community that doesn't make positive efforts to grow (and to properly direct growth) will stagnate and eventually die. It's not implemented in FuseTalk? Talk to the FuseTalk guys and get them to add it. Good solutions don't occur overnight, and I'm sure that AT is one of FuseTalk's biggest clients (if not the single biggest client).... they'd be idiots to reject a well-thought-out and useful feature suggestion.
It's kind of funny to me how AT really is like a physical community. There are different areas of town, so to speak... some people hang out mostly in GH or DC, with an occasional side trip into other peripheral areas, and some (who are completely at ease in their 'normal' forums) are so scared by their first visit to OT that they vow to never come back again. Others hang out mostly in OT with cautious ventures into the 'technical' forums every once in a while, but they're somewhat intimidated by the presence of the other members whom they've never seen before and who obviously know a lot (and who possibly look down their noses at OT 'chatroomers'), so they retreat back to OT and perhaps watch from the sidelines in the other forums. Almost everybody enjoys a good trip to HD, where members from all different areas of the community can congregate with a single goal in mind. Others feel at home everywhere and partake of every part of the community.
I think that Nate's original observation that OT is 'approaching critical mass' is particularly apt. Every community experiences growing pains, and in some ways becomes the victim of its own success. Whether it means demolishing houses to widen the streets, or going into debt to finance a new airport or cultural center, there are always 'turning points' in the evolution of communities. They are often a big PITA in the short-run, but a correct decision ensures continued growth well into the future. I think that AT Forums experienced one major decision with the creation of Subscriber accounts -- a decision that I think was the right one (I'm not a subscriber BTW). However, more obviously needs to be done. It is likely that there won't be a quick and easy solution, but with enough research and brainstorming (I think that threads like this are great for various people to air their ideas and opinions) the right decision can be made.
Turning OT or HD into subscribers-only forums is a bad solution. Almost all of the hardcore nefs and 'chatroom types' are already subscribers anyway, so it's not going to make a difference except by making the chatroom more exclusive. Also, many people are first drawn to AT by HD, and many are convinced to stay by OT, so it'd be counter-productive to limit it to subscribers. I know that the proposed solution will require a lot of programming and work to implement, but the community that doesn't make positive efforts to grow (and to properly direct growth) will stagnate and eventually die. It's not implemented in FuseTalk? Talk to the FuseTalk guys and get them to add it. Good solutions don't occur overnight, and I'm sure that AT is one of FuseTalk's biggest clients (if not the single biggest client).... they'd be idiots to reject a well-thought-out and useful feature suggestion.
Originally posted by: Beau6183
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
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Funny, seems only a PNG would know that
narzy
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posts to prove that ATOT should be deleted.
http://subscriber.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=835443
http://subscriber.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=832150 although on its face it doesn't look bad its sole intent is to bash jerboy.
http://subscriber.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=835417 this is just plain stupid.
http://subscriber.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=835243 if I want to gawk over boobs I'll get a playboy thank you very much.
http://subscriber.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=835418hey look its locked...
http://subscriber.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=835353 violence on someone you don't even know, what a pointless thread...
http://subscriber.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=835329 hell its not even off topic...
this is just a SMALL sample of the MANY useless and bandwidth wasting threads in off topic.
http://subscriber.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=835443
http://subscriber.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=832150 although on its face it doesn't look bad its sole intent is to bash jerboy.
http://subscriber.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=835417 this is just plain stupid.
http://subscriber.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=835243 if I want to gawk over boobs I'll get a playboy thank you very much.
http://subscriber.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=835418hey look its locked...
http://subscriber.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=835353 violence on someone you don't even know, what a pointless thread...
http://subscriber.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=835329 hell its not even off topic...
this is just a SMALL sample of the MANY useless and bandwidth wasting threads in off topic.
links for the nonsubscribers
http://FORUMS.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=835443
http://FORUMS.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=832150
http://FORUMS.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=835417
http://FORUMS.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=835243
http://FORUMS.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=835418
http://FORUMS.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=835353
(moved) http://FORUMS.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=45&threadid=835329
BTW Bandwidth is capped for non-subscribers, right? Threads in OT won't waste any more bandwidth than Anand will allow. He's paying a fixed amount.... whether that amount is spent on GH threads or OT threads is up to *gasp* the USERS who actually consume the bandwidth! As far as I'm concerned, the "waste of bandwidth" chorus needs to find another reason to poop all over the party, because the bandwidth cap has taken care of the problem.
http://FORUMS.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=835443
http://FORUMS.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=832150
http://FORUMS.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=835417
http://FORUMS.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=835243
http://FORUMS.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=835418
http://FORUMS.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=835353
(moved) http://FORUMS.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=45&threadid=835329
BTW Bandwidth is capped for non-subscribers, right? Threads in OT won't waste any more bandwidth than Anand will allow. He's paying a fixed amount.... whether that amount is spent on GH threads or OT threads is up to *gasp* the USERS who actually consume the bandwidth! As far as I'm concerned, the "waste of bandwidth" chorus needs to find another reason to poop all over the party, because the bandwidth cap has taken care of the problem.
I really don't mind most of the chat threads.AT is a community and ATOT is the living room. People are going to chat and I don't have a real problem with that. The problem I saw was that a comparatively small group were and are posting in almost every thread. They add nothing to the discussion at all. It was obvious that they are doing it for one reason and one reason only, to up their post count.
I think it is at least partly driven by their desire to be on the top ten posters list on the today page. There are some good and useful posters on that list. There are also nefs driven by post count there.
My simple solution is to just delete that list. I don't care if someone has posted the most times on AT and I can't see why anyone else would either.
I think it is at least partly driven by their desire to be on the top ten posters list on the today page. There are some good and useful posters on that list. There are also nefs driven by post count there.
My simple solution is to just delete that list. I don't care if someone has posted the most times on AT and I can't see why anyone else would either.
The only simple solution to everything is to delete the little thing called a post count
Who gives a damn about how many posts people have? I don't. I'm just here to read the material folks, not gawk at who's elite and who's not, and sure as hell not to compare "who's got more posts than everybody else"...
I'm sorry, but we could do a lot of good getting rid of post count. It's not necessary, and would fix so many freakin problems.
Who gives a damn about how many posts people have? I don't. I'm just here to read the material folks, not gawk at who's elite and who's not, and sure as hell not to compare "who's got more posts than everybody else"...
I'm sorry, but we could do a lot of good getting rid of post count. It's not necessary, and would fix so many freakin problems.
While useless, I don't think those threads start to reach the stupidity shown by:
Are the mods really gone? Is LordMaul really a fairy? Can I join the Republic?
aphexii is a spoogemiester.
I am instituting martial law in the MODs' absence. **NOW WITH HERETIC LIST**
Just for you bjc112... NO MODS! WOOT!
I didn't go far looking for these threads. *All 4* where on page one of OT. You want to fix OT? Ban every person who posted in any of those threads. The rate of problems would drop thru the floor after that.
Bill
Sure, dude. Ban every person.
That'll fix everything.
I see you'd make a GREAT mod.
(goes back to OT)
LM, I'm just pointing out one way to fix the problem, I never said it was what I would do. And yes, it would fix it (for a few months at least). I'm actually a fan of the anyone can read but you have to subscribe to post fix.
Bill
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Originally posted by: bsobel
Sure, dude. Ban every person.
That'll fix everything.
I see you'd make a GREAT mod.
(goes back to OT)
LM, I'm just pointing out one way to fix the problem, I never said it was what I would do. And yes, it would fix it (for a few months at least). I'm actually a fan of the anyone can read but you have to subscribe to post fix.
Bill
I'm not getting into this argument, because this subject has been beaten to death a few times. but i'd just like to say i'm a subscriber. so it wouldn't fix the 'problem' as you call it.
i dont see any real solution to this problem, although getting rid of OT would save bandwidth, and probably get rid of the riff-raff that only nef. however, i think off topic is actually a good forum to have, because it is the only way many of us are able to get together and chat, PM's aside. sometimes you get sick of only talking about hardware, and off topic is a good place to talk about other things, with people you know.
i say let off topic stay!
i say let off topic stay!
If the OT forum is dropped, the forums will lose a lot of visitors. I, for one, will allow my subscription to lapse and go back to browsing hot deals every so often. OT is a great source for entertainment, and I also hear a lot of news that I wouldn't catch otherwise.
Ryan
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All those threads seem to have been deleted. So I guess it's much abo about nothing (unless some of those members had their posting priveleges suspended for breaking the rules.) Narzy, it think having this group of Teenagers/ Silly adults nef and troll late night at ATOT is better than them doing it at the Hardware Forums.
Last night we pure stupidity. I hate when every single thread turns into quote chains and useless posting. Whatever.
My $.02 on how to improve OT:
1) Institute a maximum number of posts per day in OT, say 10-15 (If this is even possible).
2) Eliminate the "Quote" button. Some people just do not use it responsibly. There have been times where i've had to scroll down 4 pages to see a one sentence response.
3) Ban anyone who uses the phrase "w3rd"
1) Institute a maximum number of posts per day in OT, say 10-15 (If this is even possible).
2) Eliminate the "Quote" button. Some people just do not use it responsibly. There have been times where i've had to scroll down 4 pages to see a one sentence response.
3) Ban anyone who uses the phrase "w3rd"
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