warhammer looked like shit anyways judging by the videos (gameplay and graphics). Now, it's just diarrhea.
i gotta say that wow is the best mmo i've played so far
i gotta say that wow is the best mmo i've played so far
SunnyD
Belgian Waffler
No... more like EA saying "You're taking too long and this project isn't generating revenue yet, so put stuff on the block, half-ass it, and get it out the door cause we want our money bitches!"
ArmchairAthlete
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The full interview is here, which few seem to want to read:
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.../game/239/feature/2041
Most people don't understand how classes work in WAR. Each side has a somewhat "mirror image" to another side's class, such as Squig Herder and Shadow Warrior. They have their differences, but also similarities. So it's more balancing the differences of each than balancing entirely different classes. I think that some *races* will have gaps, but across an entire realm (order or destruction) things will be better. And there's no reason races can't go to another race's campaign.
Makes it very easy for people to really mislead those who don't know much about WAR and make this seem a lot worse than it is. Maybe some out there with an agenda are taking advantage of this to sensationalize and distort things a bit...
...Another delay and people go nuts, cut some content for now that wasn't fun or finished in favor of making the content that's in the game really good... you still get flamed.
/facepalm. Not sure how anyone gets this, the look is very different. I can think of plenty of differences/improvements from the WoW UI. But what would I know...
As for cities, as the interview states the cities that remain will have MUCH more content than otherwise, and seeing how they do will do worlds of good for figuring out better ways to approach remaining cities.
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.../game/239/feature/2041
Most people don't understand how classes work in WAR. Each side has a somewhat "mirror image" to another side's class, such as Squig Herder and Shadow Warrior. They have their differences, but also similarities. So it's more balancing the differences of each than balancing entirely different classes. I think that some *races* will have gaps, but across an entire realm (order or destruction) things will be better. And there's no reason races can't go to another race's campaign.
Makes it very easy for people to really mislead those who don't know much about WAR and make this seem a lot worse than it is. Maybe some out there with an agenda are taking advantage of this to sensationalize and distort things a bit...
...Another delay and people go nuts, cut some content for now that wasn't fun or finished in favor of making the content that's in the game really good... you still get flamed.
/facepalm. Not sure how anyone gets this, the look is very different. I can think of plenty of differences/improvements from the WoW UI. But what would I know...
As for cities, as the interview states the cities that remain will have MUCH more content than otherwise, and seeing how they do will do worlds of good for figuring out better ways to approach remaining cities.
coloumb
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Funny thing is the day before this announcement EA-Mythic changed it's name back to Mythic Entertainment.
It should work now...I like the forum version better IMHO.
http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/184958
I think the "quality" over "quantity" philosophy is best and applaud Mythic for being ballsy enough to come right out and tell everyone up front about it.
Further content can always be added later, but when you have it to begin with, there are so many more unforseeable factors that you have to deal with.
It's fine by me if people want to whine or give up on a game because they lost 4 classes in what was already a large amount anyways. Either way, the verdict on any MMORPG doesn't really truly become evident for several months if not a year or so anyways.
Further content can always be added later, but when you have it to begin with, there are so many more unforseeable factors that you have to deal with.
It's fine by me if people want to whine or give up on a game because they lost 4 classes in what was already a large amount anyways. Either way, the verdict on any MMORPG doesn't really truly become evident for several months if not a year or so anyways.
HeroOfPellinor
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Wrong. Mythic has always been a halfass developer. PvP in DAOC was horrendously imbalanced for years and they eventually used these stupid "talents" to balance it out a little. They outsourced their graphics engine, net code, and rule set for DAOC. They killed their own game with a PvM expansion. They denied the berzerker damage bug for two years before realizing their internal testing never tried fighting other players just mobs.
Then they start work on a new MMO called Imperator based around Romans fighting evil space Aztecs. It gets canned.
So far, they've made a name for themselves by releasing stable, passable games. WHO will be just fine as a WoW methadone, but there is a very low cap on the expectations you can have when this company is involved.
FWIW, they did this with DAOC too......they fully developed Albion and then most of Midgard and a little Hibernia. After release they were still fleshing out the zones in Hibernia which never showed the same polish the other realms had.
HeroOfPellinor
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No. Because when skills are learned on a timer, people get better the longer they subscribe....not play. So the longer you subscribe the more enthusiastic you are about the game and just can't keep it to your damn self.
SunnyD
Belgian Waffler
While I concur with some of your points, you have to admit - MOST MMO's use 3rd party engines (I'd say 80%). Imperator got canned because they god the Warhammer license, which stands to make much more money.
Yes, I agree they did mess up with DAoC post-DF expansions, but when it was out, nothing was as good as DAoC bar none (aside from the EverCrack whores' praise for their title).
Mythic could have taken their time with Warhammer, but they didn't. Why? Because EA wants $$$ as always.
Any I was so enthusiastic about EVE too - until I got to the point where I could subscribe for a month, sit around mining or whatnot, set a multi-month skill to train, and let my sub expire. No sense in paying money to watch paint dry without any actual meaningful advancement.
SunnyD, advancing the stupidity of himself playing MMO's daily.
So, MOST MMO's use 3rd Party engines aye? I guess you are including the Asian markets in that. Also, if you play EVE to mine that is your perogative but why don't you shut the hell up about it. You always sound like EVE is this lifeless entity. You clearly don't f'ing play anymore or really, really suck if you do. Its a PVP game first and formost and if you can't find action then you have the IQ of a bean sprout.
There is no need for you to attempt to advance your argument by needlessly insulting another poster. Your clean record means this is only a warning. Please try to be more civil in the future. What do you think this is, P&N?
Perknose
Senior AT Mod
So, MOST MMO's use 3rd Party engines aye? I guess you are including the Asian markets in that. Also, if you play EVE to mine that is your perogative but why don't you shut the hell up about it. You always sound like EVE is this lifeless entity. You clearly don't f'ing play anymore or really, really suck if you do. Its a PVP game first and formost and if you can't find action then you have the IQ of a bean sprout.
There is no need for you to attempt to advance your argument by needlessly insulting another poster. Your clean record means this is only a warning. Please try to be more civil in the future. What do you think this is, P&N?
Perknose
Senior AT Mod
I dont know why you knock them for using Gamebryo. Its not a bad engine.
All MMOGs are rushed to market. IMHO more developers should stop wasting time on trying to reinvent the wheel by making their own engine, and license one.
MMOs need to focus more on content, than technology.
CKent
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HeroOfPellinor
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By itself I wouldn't care. But I'm not sure what, outside of the artwork, they did for themselves. I understand, at some point, they rewrote their own rule set.
As far as the engine itself, it really wasn't very conducive to an MMO. Colors in the game, at least on clothes, never looked right because they had to be applied overtop of the textures as a lighting effect (as in they turn your cloak blue by shining a blue light on it), so they were always changing colors at different angles even as you moved.....it was so shoddy.
As far as Everquest, the best thing I can say about the game is that it ran on any video card and any Internet connection. I had a horrible 33.6 dialup for a year after I got married and moved to an apartment. I couldn't play Ultima Online or any RTS or FPS games it was so bad. Not that I played much. But Everquest was perfectly smooth and lag free. THAT is the difference between licensing and engine and buying one. Better results. Also, it shows more of a personal investment in the game that usually carries through to design which is probably why Everquest today still has more players than DAOC.
I have had more fun in DAOC pvp than any other game, its the only tiny thread i cling to that might get me into WHOL.
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