3chordcharlie
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The rotary does better with new engine management technology, reducing the chance of fatal engine knock (only a rotary could drop dead at the first ping!)
But it's an inherently flawed design, wrt efficiency; the thing is practically a 2-cycle! No amount of developing will change this.
I agree it doeesn't deserve to be on the list.
But it's an inherently flawed design, wrt efficiency; the thing is practically a 2-cycle! No amount of developing will change this.
I agree it doeesn't deserve to be on the list.
TheLonelyPhoenix
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Originally posted by: Tylanner
Where is the Aston Martin V12? The most beautiful engine/car ever made
Almost 6 L and it still doesn't match the HP of the M5 engine, and is essentially equal to a Mustang GT in 0-60 time. For $200k+, I expect better... unless you're just trying to get laid, I suppose.
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TheLonelyPhoenix
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3chordcharlie
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Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
"Road Head Award"... someone, quick, Photoshop a trophy!
"oh baby... the roar of your engine makes me want to... "
Originally posted by: Tylanner
Where is the Aston Martin V12? The most beautiful engine/car ever made
It's merely two Ford Duratecs welded together.
Hope this is entered next year:
Radical Motorsports Powertec RPA V8
Current stage of development:
2.6 liter 72 degree V8
383hp at 10,000rpm
207lb/ft torque at 6800rpm
92.6kg dry weight (204 lbs)
For reference, Toyota's compact and light 2zz-ge engine (1.8 liter 190hp i4) has a dry weight of about 275 lbs.
GTaudiophile
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The Renesis is on there because it's supposed to be amazingly smooth at extremely high RPM. It loves to rev.
The VQ in the 35th Anniversary 350Z makes as much HP and more torque at a lower RPM than the 3.5L in the RL I bet.
The 5.6L V8 in the Titan deserves to be on that list IMO.
The VQ in the 35th Anniversary 350Z makes as much HP and more torque at a lower RPM than the 3.5L in the RL I bet.
The 5.6L V8 in the Titan deserves to be on that list IMO.
If the ATOT bandwagon had its way... all the engines on that list would be V8s... that were stuck to RWD platforms... and be driven to work creeping in stop and go traffic.
The Audi 4.2 is actually a really neat engine.
It's small, lightweight, smooth, and powerful.
It's main highlight is its compact physical size, which is probably why it's on the list. I compare it to the Lexus V8, which is also small and smooth; only difference is the Audi makes more power for its displacement than Lexus...which is why it beat it to this list.
It's pretty cool that the Audi 4.2 V8 is lighter than the 2.7L V6 TT that was in the older S4 & A6.
Btw, rotaries are actually reliable if you take care of them (changing oil regularly). It was the turbo-rotaries that had issues. I met a guy that put over 200k km on his 87 non-turbo RX7. But that's beside the point.
I don't see why the M5 engine should be here. It may be technical marvel, but at its price-point it should be. The real winners are innovative engines are occur at an affordable price point. If you spend enough money, you can build the greatest engine in the world; but to make it affordable, that requires real ingenuity & engineering.
I question the reliability of the M5 V10, especially after seeing how crappy the M3 I6 has been.
RX-8 would be a better car with the 2.3L Turbo from the Mazdaspeed 6. Mazda needs to stop wasting money on the rotary, and develop a better engine for Ford, like VQ is for Nissan. I think Miller cycle Mazda engines were more promising than the rotaries.
I think this eliminates both the M5 and the Aston Martin.
Instead of the 1.3L Renesis engine, they should have had the Honda F22C on there ... 2.2L pushing 240hp/161 lb-ft. But I guess its not as impressive as the old F20C (120hp/liter & 9000rpm redline) which made Ward's 10 best a few times.
Why would they take out one engine that makes 240hp/160lb to replace it with another one?
Under 52K, the RX-8's spot should have gone to LS6. 400hp and still gets 30mpg on highway.
I like the Hemi in my truck a lot.
But I think the aluminum SOHC V-8 in the new Mustang might be a great motor for a street rod, as well as being cool in the mustang gt.
But I think the aluminum SOHC V-8 in the new Mustang might be a great motor for a street rod, as well as being cool in the mustang gt.
Because the F22C gets better gas mileage, and has proven reliability from Honda (with the F20C which is only slightly different than the newer F22C). If they put the Renesis engine on there, the F22C imho is a better engine ... But its all about opinions anyways, Ward's top 10 isn't the definitive list for engines, there are plenty of great engines and cars out there that didn't make the list.
Well, neither of the should be on the list, IMO. Like I said, the Corvette gets 400hp and lbft of torque and gets 30mpg.
GM deserves credit for keeping the pushrod alive much more than Mazda deserves it for keeping the rotary alive, because OHV actually has many advantages.
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Why kick the Mustang GT engine off the island? 300hp out of a naturally aspirated single overhead cam engine is pretty good if you ask me.
Edit-I would certainly expect the Subaru 2.5l boxer engine in the STi to be on that list though.
Ahhh... a 3 valve per Cyl. OHC engine only makes 300Hp. The LT1 , NOT ls1, was making 300Hp with pushrods in the early 90's, let alone the pushrod LS1/2. That is why it should not be on any motor list. All that tech and only 300Hp. The ONLY saving grace in my book is it makes 300Hp off 87 octane.
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Why kick the Mustang GT engine off the island? 300hp out of a naturally aspirated single overhead cam engine is pretty good if you ask me.
Edit-I would certainly expect the Subaru 2.5l boxer engine in the STi to be on that list though.
Ahhh... a 3 valve per Cyl. OHC engine only makes 300Hp. The LT1 , NOT ls1, was making 300Hp with pushrods in the early 90's, let alone the pushrod LS1/2. That is why it should not be on any motor list. All that tech and only 300Hp. The ONLY saving grace in my book is it makes 300Hp off 87 octane.
Everybody on here is all about horsepower. Check out the low end torque on that sucker as well as most of fords other engines and you will see why it's on the list.
JulesMaximus
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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Why kick the Mustang GT engine off the island? 300hp out of a naturally aspirated single overhead cam engine is pretty good if you ask me.
Edit-I would certainly expect the Subaru 2.5l boxer engine in the STi to be on that list though.
Ahhh... a 3 valve per Cyl. OHC engine only makes 300Hp. The LT1 , NOT ls1, was making 300Hp with pushrods in the early 90's, let alone the pushrod LS1/2. That is why it should not be on any motor list. All that tech and only 300Hp. The ONLY saving grace in my book is it makes 300Hp off 87 octane.
You're an idiot. The LT1 is a heavier engine and a full liter displacement larger. Your point is moot.
BTW-It was making more like 250hp in the early 90's...if that.
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