Ward's 10 Best Engine's 2005

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: NFS4
The Renesis doesn't deserve to be on there. Drinks gas and oil and ain't all that powerful either. Mustang GT engine, kick it's ass off the list too. Same for the Audi 4.2

Why kick the Mustang GT engine off the island? 300hp out of a naturally aspirated single overhead cam engine is pretty good if you ask me.

Edit-I would certainly expect the Subaru 2.5l boxer engine in the STi to be on that list though.

Ahhh... a 3 valve per Cyl. OHC engine only makes 300Hp. The LT1 , NOT ls1, was making 300Hp with pushrods in the early 90's, let alone the pushrod LS1/2. That is why it should not be on any motor list. All that tech and only 300Hp. The ONLY saving grace in my book is it makes 300Hp off 87 octane.

You're an idiot. The LT1 is a heavier engine and a full liter displacement larger. Your point is moot.

BTW-It was making more like 250hp in the early 90's...if that.

WRONG. I have built enough of them to KNOW that the Late-91 Corvette and up with the LT1 made 300Hp. And it being heavier is MY point. It did not have a full alum. block, OHC, etc... and still made 300Hp.

 

[CtK]

Originally posted by: johnjbruin
w00t for the VQ.

<-- lovin my g35

<---- me to

 

[aircooled]

Originally posted by: CtK

Originally posted by: johnjbruin
w00t for the VQ.

<-- lovin my g35

<---- me to

<-- me too (i30) love it!

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
RX-8 would be a better car with the 2.3L Turbo from the Mazdaspeed 6. Mazda needs to stop wasting money on the rotary, and develop a better engine for Ford, like VQ is for Nissan. I think Miller cycle Mazda engines were more promising than the rotaries.

The Miller cycle engines were boosted with crank-driven superchargers, I think.

 

[AmbitV]

the renesis definitely deserves to be there!

very smooth all the way up to 9k...as Clarkson said, it feels like its running on double cream!

And remember, at 9k the rotors themselves are only spinning at 3k, resulting in very little vibration as opposed to a piston engine at 9k

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: psteng19
The VQ in the 35th Anniversary 350Z makes as much HP and more torque at a lower RPM than the 3.5L in the RL I bet.

They make the same HP AND TQ.

 

[Eli]

I also agree that the Renesis engine should be up there. Obviously the list looks at much more than just fuel efficiency.

I don't think the people blowing off 238HP from 1.3L quite understand.

I guess when you do the comparison using fuel consumed/hp produced, I can understand your point of view though. Hell, big V8s get better fuel economy than that, and produce more HP.

But that's still besides the point. I agree that the Renesis engine is up there due to being different, but I don't think that is a bad thing.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
http://wardsauto.com/ar/auto_m...economy_ways/index.htm

No surprise, Nissan's VQ engine makes the list for 11th consequtive time from the list's inception 11 years ago.

· Honda 3L SOHC V-6 IMA Hybrid (Honda Accord Hybrid)

· Honda 3.5L SOHC V-6 (Acura RL)

heh, those two motors are from the same family, the J series.

 

[m2kewl]

go HONDA!

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Eli
I also agree that the Renesis engine should be up there. Obviously the list looks at much more than just fuel efficiency.

I don't think the people blowing off 238HP from 1.3L quite understand.

I guess when you do the comparison using fuel consumed/hp produced, I can understand your point of view though. Hell, big V8s get better fuel economy than that, and produce more HP.

But that's still besides the point. I agree that the Renesis engine is up there due to being different, but I don't think that is a bad thing.

I dunno...it seems to me that if you just put a bunch of car engines in a 'black box", and measure fuel consumption, hp/torque curves, and weight, you'd get a pretty good ranking. Obviously there are other criteria, like reliability, but having a high redline is NOT enough to put an engine in a top 10 list IMHO.

Heck, a built 4AGE has a pretty high redline and it's pushing pistons...

 

[OS]

The RX8 is not particularly special. Mazda went through a fiasco where they originally rated it at 250 HP, but then people start figuring out from dynos and dragstrip numbers that it wasn't making that much. Oops. Mazda downrated it to 238 but even then, the dynos don't add up and there are still owners who think Mazda is bullsh*tting them. As for the 1.3L displacement, the measure of displacement is controversial. Some argue it should be 2.6L and even 3.9L based on how you count the cycles and intake/exhaust actions.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Eli
I also agree that the Renesis engine should be up there. Obviously the list looks at much more than just fuel efficiency.

I don't think the people blowing off 238HP from 1.3L quite understand.

I guess when you do the comparison using fuel consumed/hp produced, I can understand your point of view though. Hell, big V8s get better fuel economy than that, and produce more HP.

But that's still besides the point. I agree that the Renesis engine is up there due to being different, but I don't think that is a bad thing.

I dunno...it seems to me that if you just put a bunch of car engines in a 'black box", and measure fuel consumption, hp/torque curves, and weight, you'd get a pretty good ranking. Obviously there are other criteria, like reliability, but having a high redline is NOT enough to put an engine in a top 10 list IMHO.

Heck, a built 4AGE has a pretty high redline and it's pushing pistons...

mmmm....20v 4AGE motor..didn't it have 8000+rpm limit and make something like 180hp out of a 1.6L?

 

[Howard]

nm

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: NFS4
The Renesis doesn't deserve to be on there. Drinks gas and oil and ain't all that powerful either. Mustang GT engine, kick it's ass off the list too. Same for the Audi 4.2

Why kick the Mustang GT engine off the island? 300hp out of a naturally aspirated single overhead cam engine is pretty good if you ask me.

Edit-I would certainly expect the Subaru 2.5l boxer engine in the STi to be on that list though.

Ahhh... a 3 valve per Cyl. OHC engine only makes 300Hp. The LT1 , NOT ls1, was making 300Hp with pushrods in the early 90's, let alone the pushrod LS1/2. That is why it should not be on any motor list. All that tech and only 300Hp. The ONLY saving grace in my book is it makes 300Hp off 87 octane.

You're an idiot. The LT1 is a heavier engine and a full liter displacement larger. Your point is moot.

BTW-It was making more like 250hp in the early 90's...if that.

WRONG. I have built enough of them to KNOW that the Late-91 Corvette and up with the LT1 made 300Hp. And it being heavier is MY point. It did not have a full alum. block, OHC, etc... and still made 300Hp.

Maybe in the Vette but not in the mullet mobile poor man's vette. Still, it is a full liter displacement larger and with a cast iron block. Mustang GT engine is all aluminum, OHC, variable valve timing...mmm, sweetness.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: NFS4
The Renesis doesn't deserve to be on there. Drinks gas and oil and ain't all that powerful either. Mustang GT engine, kick it's ass off the list too. Same for the Audi 4.2

Why kick the Mustang GT engine off the island? 300hp out of a naturally aspirated single overhead cam engine is pretty good if you ask me.

Edit-I would certainly expect the Subaru 2.5l boxer engine in the STi to be on that list though.

Ahhh... a 3 valve per Cyl. OHC engine only makes 300Hp. The LT1 , NOT ls1, was making 300Hp with pushrods in the early 90's, let alone the pushrod LS1/2. That is why it should not be on any motor list. All that tech and only 300Hp. The ONLY saving grace in my book is it makes 300Hp off 87 octane.

You're an idiot. The LT1 is a heavier engine and a full liter displacement larger. Your point is moot.

BTW-It was making more like 250hp in the early 90's...if that.

WRONG. I have built enough of them to KNOW that the Late-91 Corvette and up with the LT1 made 300Hp. And it being heavier is MY point. It did not have a full alum. block, OHC, etc... and still made 300Hp.

Maybe in the Vette but not in the mullet mobile poor man's vette. Still, it is a full liter displacement larger and with a cast iron block. Mustang GT engine is all aluminum, OHC, variable valve timing...mmm, sweetness.

Pretty awesome technology, eh? :roll:

 

[ajayjuneja]

Originally posted by: CtK

Originally posted by: johnjbruin
w00t for the VQ.

<-- lovin my g35

<---- me to

<---- me three

I picked the G35 over the rx-8 cause the rx-8 would have had terrible gas mileage

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: NFS4
The Renesis doesn't deserve to be on there. Drinks gas and oil and ain't all that powerful either. Mustang GT engine, kick it's ass off the list too. Same for the Audi 4.2

Yeah, those are both nice engines. The sad thing is that you could probably buy three of those Ford SOHC 4.6 V8's for the price of that Audi DOHC 4.2 V8, though, and the Ford motor will happily run on 87 octane gas and regular off the shelf motor oil. I wouldn't recommend doing that with the Audi motor!

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: NFS4
The Renesis doesn't deserve to be on there. Drinks gas and oil and ain't all that powerful either. Mustang GT engine, kick it's ass off the list too. Same for the Audi 4.2

Yeah, those are both nice engines. The sad thing is that you could probably buy three of those Ford SOHC 4.6 V8's for the price of that Audi DOHC 4.2 V8, though, and the Ford motor will happily run on 87 octane gas and regular off the shelf motor oil. I wouldn't recommend doing that with the Audi motor!

The Audi motor will also run on 87 octane, it makes about about 310hp on 87 octane though. And it runs Mobil 1 0w-40, just like a Porsche, Mercedes AMG, etc... Can be bought at most automotive stores.

 

[Kishan]

woot for the CDI Diesel!!! about time our diesels got some recognition

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
BMW's I6 is off the list??? What about their new 500hp V10?

I call shens!

Yeah...WTF about the BMW I-6?? As for the M5's new V10....the M5 isn't out yet, so they will probably include it next year.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
BMW's I6 is off the list??? What about their new 500hp V10?

I call shens!

Yeah...WTF about the BMW I-6?? As for the M5's new V10....the M5 isn't out yet, so they will probably include it next year.

As big a fan as I may be of the BMW i6, it's really not all that new or exciting anymore. The only neat new thing is VVT, and that's not even out yet. Even when it is out, it's about 3 years later than everyone else, who already has it.

 

[Horus]

Originally posted by: NFS4
The Renesis doesn't deserve to be on there. Drinks gas and oil and ain't all that powerful either. Mustang GT engine, kick it's ass off the list too. Same for the Audi 4.2

TSK. You show me a 1.6L engine from an American automaker that puts out 300BHP!

 

[masterxfob]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
the HEMI in the chrysler 300c is a pretty trick engine....shutting off 4 cylinders when not needed...how cool is that

haha, that reminds me of rachel ray on food network

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Horus

Originally posted by: NFS4
The Renesis doesn't deserve to be on there. Drinks gas and oil and ain't all that powerful either. Mustang GT engine, kick it's ass off the list too. Same for the Audi 4.2

TSK. You show me a 1.6L engine from an American automaker that puts out 300BHP!

Why does displacement matter to you? You aren't paying a displacement fee in the US.
You are paying for horsepower, torque, and fuel economy. And for it's fuel economy, the RX-8 gets pathetic horsepower and torque.
Higher HP/L generally means lower Torque/HP.

 

[hans007]

i am getting one of those VQ engines soon . its gonna be nice.