Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne OUT TODAY FRIDAY 6/27!!!

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You guys dont know what you're talking about W3X makes an already superb strategy game better. WC3 was already way better than starcraft because massing of one unit just plain doesnt work unless you're playing a newbie or some other unfrequent circumstance. This game requires you to counter every type of unit your opponent have as well as build up a hero as well as secure more resources as well as working with a random ladder partner (unless you go 1v1 of course). This game is very little like diablo besides the fact that you have hero's. If anything everyone should welcome this new element into the strategy. Just getting units gets old...and if you think about it armies need leaders right? DURH. Sorry just had to say that. I think all the people missing starcraft just want to build their battlecruisers and carriers and other stupid things.


ALSO if you cant handle new heros/spells I dont think you have the mental capacity to play strategy games in the first place.

SORRY but i had to say it....

 

[mee987]

you dont have to buy the expansion. how can it kill wc3?

 

[TheBoyBlunder]

Originally posted by: shurato
I beta tested Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne...made me wanna quit playing wc3...and i did.

I played the http://kickme.to/war3x and it got me to quit playing as well. It got too unbalanced by the last couple patches.

 

[wicktron]

Originally posted by: rnp614
You guys dont know what you're talking about W3X makes an already superb strategy game better. WC3 was already way better than starcraft because massing of one unit just plain doesnt work unless you're playing a newbie or some other unfrequent circumstance. This game requires you to counter every type of unit your opponent have as well as build up a hero as well as secure more resources as well as working with a random ladder partner (unless you go 1v1 of course). This game is very little like diablo besides the fact that you have hero's. If anything everyone should welcome this new element into the strategy. Just getting units gets old...and if you think about it armies need leaders right? DURH. Sorry just had to say that. I think all the people missing starcraft just want to build their battlecruisers and carriers and other stupid things.


ALSO if you cant handle new heros/spells I dont think you have the mental capacity to play strategy games in the first place.

SORRY but i had to say it....

 

[BaseGrizzly]

Originally posted by: rnp614
Sorry just had to say that. I think all the people missing starcraft just want to build their battlecruisers and carriers and other stupid things.

Normally I wouldn't post about a game here on a Hot Deals forum, but I don't think you've played enough SC. When you play real Starcraft (not that 8 player Big Game Hunters with infinite resources crap), you're playing either 1v1 or 2v2 on LT, and from my record of about 400 games and probably hundreds more replays, I think in 1 or 2 I've seen a game where the opponent has been able to build more than 4 Battlecruisers or Carriers. And I have never seen a game where the opponent was able to build 12 Battlecruisers or 12 Carriers.

And frankly, if you think SC was about unit massing, either your opponent sucked or you sucked. Every unit in SC is easily counterable. For example, if your opponent sees you are going power zerglings, then he would counter with firebats. Your zerglings will lose horribly, even if you have a 3:1 number advantage. That is why usually the best zerg players will mass zerglings then immediately mass mutalisks. Mutalisks will destroy anti-zergling units (such as firebats) because they have no anti air.

The same situation in WC3 would be massing ghouls. What counter is there to massed ghouls? None come to my mind right now. I would probably try to tech as fast as possible, buy a few Wands of Negation in case he goes necromancers, and scan his base to make sure he's not going wyrms. Now tell me which game is more balanced.

Yeah I am a big SC fan, but to tell you the truth I think WC3 is a great game also. I am also looking forward to FT and the new anti-caster units because they should make the game more SC-like.

 

[BaseGrizzly]

Originally posted by: Pudgygiant
What's with blizzard's expansions taking place in cold places? d2:lod is in harrogath, wc3:ft is in... some cold place, dunno the name... well, I guess just those two. Seems kind of repetitive (sp?) though.

Warcraft 2 Expansion took place in a desert planet.

 

[RollWave]

well, as far as the ghoul rush. I'd have to say that any race can counter that without trouble. ne only need hunts or even a mass of archers + DH with immo. Humans just need footmen and militia + good hero management, orcs only need a couple grunts and good burrow placement. Its not possible to win in that cheap fashion dude. I've played MANY MANY WC3 games. That junk hasnt worked well in ages. Also, once the UD hero is dead the ghouls blow ass....

 

[BaseGrizzly]

Originally posted by: rnp614
well, as far as the ghoul rush. I'd have to say that any race can counter that without trouble. ne only need hunts or even a mass of archers + DH with immo. Humans just need footmen and militia + good hero management, orcs only need a couple grunts and good burrow placement. Its not possible to win in that cheap fashion dude. I've played MANY MANY WC3 games. That junk hasnt worked well in ages.

2 out of 3 of those strategies require home defense in order to easily counter. If I were the UD player, I would simply map control and let you turtle in base while I creep and expand. Later in the game my hero will have more exp and I will have more gold. If you decided to leave your base (no burrow/militia/towers), I don't see a clear victory for any of those counter strategies.

 

[Trikat]

Yes, warcraft III itself is a great game, but the expansion set makes it sucky now. Unbalanced more and from what I hear you can just start buying mercenaries now instead of "building" your own units. Also mercenary heros? ok...

 

[NYHoustonman]

You guys dont know what you're talking about W3X makes an already superb strategy game better. WC3 was already way better than starcraft because massing of one unit just plain doesnt work unless you're playing a newbie or some other unfrequent circumstance. This game requires you to counter every type of unit your opponent have as well as build up a hero as well as secure more resources as well as working with a random ladder partner (unless you go 1v1 of course). This game is very little like diablo besides the fact that you have hero's. If anything everyone should welcome this new element into the strategy. Just getting units gets old...and if you think about it armies need leaders right? DURH. Sorry just had to say that. I think all the people missing starcraft just want to build their battlecruisers and carriers and other stupid things.

AGREED. People need to stop being so goddamned biased. Warcraft III is all about strategy, and, I might add, the races are pretty well balanced.

Yes, warcraft III itself is a great game, but the expansion set makes it sucky now. Unbalanced more and from what I hear you can just start buying mercenaries now instead of "building" your own units. Also mercenary heros? ok...

What you heard is wrong. Go to Battle.net and look at their official strat for the new units. And how is the mercenary system bad? They DO cost money...And they take time to regenerate.

 

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Trikat, that has been fixed....there are huge delays from buying units. Also that only workED on like 1 or 2 maps on the beta

 

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2 out of 3 of those strategies require home defense in order to easily counter. If I were the UD player, I would simply map control and let you turtle in base while I creep and expand. Later in the game my hero will have more exp and I will have more gold. If you decided to leave your base (no burrow/militia/towers), I don't see a clear victory for any of those counter strategies.[/quote]

Not quite man. You can level just as much as him if he doesnt attack, remember the town portal scroll? Yeah. If he attacks you use it. Otherwise you get exp for your hero and creep like a mofo

 

[Lichee]

Originally posted by: rnp614
You guys dont know what you're talking about W3X makes an already superb strategy game better. WC3 was already way better than starcraft because massing of one unit just plain doesnt work unless you're playing a newbie or some other unfrequent circumstance. This game requires you to counter every type of unit your opponent have as well as build up a hero as well as secure more resources as well as working with a random ladder partner (unless you go 1v1 of course). This game is very little like diablo besides the fact that you have hero's. If anything everyone should welcome this new element into the strategy. Just getting units gets old...and if you think about it armies need leaders right? DURH. Sorry just had to say that. I think all the people missing starcraft just want to build their battlecruisers and carriers and other stupid things. ALSO if you cant handle new heros/spells I dont think you have the mental capacity to play strategy games in the first place. SORRY but i had to say it....

uncalled for and rather childish.

 

[RollWave]

Not in the least. The only fault I made was I didnt consider how SC plays these days (i stopped 1 year after it came out and thats what my comments are based on). Everything I said about WC3 is true...some people just dont have the micromanaging skills to handle multiple spells/skills/heros and so they whine when Blizzard adds more! Its just stupid! I got a ton of experience in the betas of BOTH WC3 and W3X and I'd have to say of course during both betas the game was not well balanced, but look at wc3 and tell me that the game isnt rather well balanced? W3X wouldnt be released if it wasnt close to balanced, OBVIOUSLY people will figure out ways to abuse what faults are in the game but thats what patches are for?

 

[Lichee]

you gave me the impression that you were ragging on 'dumb people' and implicitly remarking that they shouldnt be playing the game or something.

personally, i still think you could have kept those remarks to yourself.

 

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I'm not ragging on dumb people at all!! I'm saying if you think the game is too complex (too many heros/skills/spells/units/races/etc.) dont play it!

 

[Lichee]

who are you to decide (suggest) that for them?!??

i have friends that play this because it is fun for them.....despite them not being that good. realistically, they dont peruse the boards looking for strats to improve their game.

 

[RollWave]

I never use strats from anything, the fun for me is making them myself with friends. And I'm not saying if they arent good that they shouldnt play. I'm saying if they thing its too complex IE whine about it and say "the expac ruined wc3" and other like statements. I bet your friends dont b*tch and moan about the complexity in the game.

 

[OulOat]

rnp614 calm down. WC3 is a great game, but it's not very complex compared to other games in the same genre. A very cool game would be Rise of Nations, that is a complex game. Each race has special powers and units (10+ races); tons of special resources to complement the 6 standard ones; territory plays a big part in the game; huge tech tree; land, air, and water; army formations and attack behavior (from hold ground to hunting civilians); every unit has a counter, there is no god unit (maybe the nuke, but that is very end game). That game requires mad microing skills; it is easy to lose your armies if you let them attack randomly. Also, the AI is a worthy opponent; it's surprisingly resilient and smart. It is, in my opinion, a WC3 killer. To anyone tired of WC3 or want to try something harder, check out the game.

 

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haha I am calm man. I was just trying to get people to stop whining about how they stink at w3x or whatever. As far as rise of nations yeah I'd totally agree with ya, i got it release day and I've had tons of fun with it! If only more people had it and played online...what a pity...

 

[kerokeroppi82]

heh, the few people who got it can compete with each other for first palce on ladder...

 

[OulOat]

lol yeah, it is just my connection, or is lag worse of RoE than WC?

 

[OulOat]

lol yeah, it is just my connection, or is lag worse of RoE than WC?

Oh yeah, hijack ++