War with Iran is a sure thing now

[lozina]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/...LaColVYu5LA&refer=home

July 13 (Bloomberg) -- Iran asked Japanese refiners to switch to the yen to pay for all crude oil purchases, after Iran's central bank said it's cutting holdings of the U.S. dollar.

Saddam tried doing the same thing, with euros. Look where it got him ...

Mess with dollar hegemony and you get the horns

 

[kage69]

I think you're right.


And I'm sure this is why Iran just agreed to let inspectors in for inspections - Just came across the wire...



Smart move by Tehran honestly...I'm having a hard time believing it's just a coincidence.

 

[StageLeft]

Iran is fine. There's no support anywhere for a war with Iran except by conspiracists. If there was ever, ever, ever a good example of why not to do something, in this case war with Iran, one need look at Iraq, it's literally the perfect lesson to anybody on why attacking Iran is a bad idea. Unless the only goal is to temporarily stop nuclear development, in which case some lengthy bombing campaign would almost certainly curb their nuclear growth for a while (as has been done before to great effect by Israel against Iraq).

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Iran is fine. There's no support anywhere for a war with Iran except by conspiracists. If there was ever, ever, ever a good example of why not to do something, in this case war with Iran, one need look at Iraq, it's literally the perfect lesson to anybody on why attacking Iran is a bad idea. Unless the only goal is to temporarily stop nuclear development, in which case some lengthy bombing campaign would almost certainly curb their nuclear growth for a while (as has been done before to great effect by Israel against Iraq).

Israel did not have a land border with Iraq. We do (in the form of puppet governments and troops in Iraq/afghanistan). It would be naive to think we could conduct an aerial campaign in this situation without having any sort of land based conflict.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: kage69
I think you're right.


And I'm sure this is why Iran just agreed to let inspectors in for inspections - Just came across the wire...



Smart move by Tehran honestly...I'm having a hard time believing it's just a coincidence.

Ah yes, good find. And it's also coincidental that Iraq has tried to cooperate in the last minute too, giving in to all the demands even allowing inspections of their palaces which as never done before. Obviously- it didn't help ...

 

[RU482]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Iran is fine. There's no support anywhere for a war with Iran except by conspiracists. If there was ever, ever, ever a good example of why not to do something, in this case war with Iran, one need look at Iraq, it's literally the perfect lesson to anybody on why attacking Iran is a bad idea. Unless the only goal is to temporarily stop nuclear development, in which case some lengthy bombing campaign would almost certainly curb their nuclear growth for a while (as has been done before to great effect by Israel against Iraq).

Hmm, how convienient...the warnings about a how strong Al Queda is earlier this week, now if we only had a link and an attack in our borders to justify a counter attack.

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: redly1

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Iran is fine. There's no support anywhere for a war with Iran except by conspiracists. If there was ever, ever, ever a good example of why not to do something, in this case war with Iran, one need look at Iraq, it's literally the perfect lesson to anybody on why attacking Iran is a bad idea. Unless the only goal is to temporarily stop nuclear development, in which case some lengthy bombing campaign would almost certainly curb their nuclear growth for a while (as has been done before to great effect by Israel against Iraq).

Hmm, how convienient...the warnings about a how strong Al Queda is earlier this week, now if we only had a link and an attack in our borders to justify a counter attack.

Iran has nothing to do with Al Qaeda. AQ and the Iranians hate each others guts. The US
in fact is using some organization linked to Al Qaeda against Iran.

 

[yllus]

I'd give this negative stars if I could.

 

[Moonbeam]

But just when you think Bush couldn't possibly be a bigger ass than he already is, he seldom disappoints.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: redly1

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Iran is fine. There's no support anywhere for a war with Iran except by conspiracists. If there was ever, ever, ever a good example of why not to do something, in this case war with Iran, one need look at Iraq, it's literally the perfect lesson to anybody on why attacking Iran is a bad idea. Unless the only goal is to temporarily stop nuclear development, in which case some lengthy bombing campaign would almost certainly curb their nuclear growth for a while (as has been done before to great effect by Israel against Iraq).

Hmm, how convienient...the warnings about a how strong Al Queda is earlier this week, now if we only had a link and an attack in our borders to justify a counter attack.

Iran has nothing to do with Al Qaeda. AQ and the Iranians hate each others guts. The US
in fact is using some organization linked to Al Qaeda against Iran.

The same could be said about pre-invasion, Saddam run Iraq. Look at what that has turned into. "The same folks that attacked us, are now blowing up our soldiers in Iraq". Or whatever the moron said yesterday.

 

[Lemon law]

Well, GWB has been using the diplomacy of sharp sticks with Iran for years now---accusing Iran of every villainy without an iota of proof. And its no secret that Cheney wants the US to invade Iran in the worst way. But if GWB&co. is going to open military hostilities against Iran---its my guess that its going to be 100% unilateral---because regardless who else the GWB administration asks----the answer is going to be a shouted oh no you don't.

But in yesterdays news conference--the line "I think" was used a number of times---and so was we regard and words to that effect.

1. GWB wants the attorney firings and the Libby commutation to be settled history-----funny----many people still are digging to get at the truths these matters of hiding. What GWB&co. wants and what other people think are now two diametrically opposed things.

2. Now and into the future---the collective American people get cold shivers when GWB thinks----judging from past history--GWB thinking always is the prelude to another huge and expensive blunder the American taxpayer is going to have to foot the bill on.

In short-----the American people no longer trust GWB----but we should never underestimate what he will try to do.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: yllus
I'd give this negative stars if I could.

well, there's a big fucking surprise.

 

[ericlp]

If I had a dollar every time some idiot says we are going to war with Iran (for sure) Double (for sure) now...

 

[tomywishbone]

"War with Iran is a sure thing now." -lozina

"Bring it on." -the chimp

 

[GrGr]

This is a brilliant, brilliant move by the Iranians. If it was chess it would be a !! move.

Japan is completely dependent on imports for it's energy needs. The last thing on earth the Japanese want is to trade for their energy needs with the pitiful Yen. As the dollar has devalued the Japanese have been busy sticking the knife in the Yen to keep it weaker than the dollar. The US and Japan are the top two economies in the world yet their currencies are dying. The Japanese have been using their dollar and euro loot to pay for their imports. Now all of a sudden they are looking at having to make the Yen an international currency.

Japan, through it's currency manipulations to keep the Yen weak, is responsible for much of the worldwide liquidity surplus by means of the carry trade (so dearly beloved by Wall Street) born out of the Bank of Japan's extremely low interest rates. If the Japanese raise the interest rates, a lot of big time finanicers and hedge funds managers are going to get very very nervous (to put it politely). The last time the BoJ did that in February the world stock markets almost crashed. Wall Street is already reeling from the subprime mess, and if the liquidity boom goes bust as well a depression is sure to follow.

This is also a kick in the nuts for the Europoodles for bowing down to US strongarm tactics yet again (by locking up Iranian funds in Euro banks). I bet Putin is laughing his ass off and Hu must have a secret smile as well. The US will predictably demand that Japan stops buying Iranian oil. When that happens China will move in. The US has been trying to strong arm China here too but it won't work. Since the European banks have frozen Iran's assests the Iranians will move the Yen holdings out of reach of strong arm tactics to Chinese banks. Of course Japan cannot allow China to build up a huge Yen mountain.

So this little letter kicks the Europoodles in the nuts, threatens the carry trade that feeds Wall Street and is yet another nail in the coffin for the dollar hegemony, and forces Japan to rethink it's entire currency strategy. And opens the door for China. Wow.

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: lozina
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/...LaColVYu5LA&refer=home

July 13 (Bloomberg) -- Iran asked Japanese refiners to switch to the yen to pay for all crude oil purchases, after Iran's central bank said it's cutting holdings of the U.S. dollar.

Saddam tried doing the same thing, with euros. Look where it got him ...

Mess with dollar hegemony and you get the horns

Are you serious? Iran's GDP is pretty bloody small compared to the rest of the world. All this dollar hegemony talk is retarded. The dollar will continue to be a major reserve currency because we have the largest economy in the world. There's no reason to forcibly stop anyone moving away from using the dollar as their reserve currency. It's not like the UK invades a country every time it lessens how much sterling it has in reserves and there is no reason for the US to do it either. Sure, it makes our exchange rate and our financial markets a little less stable but there are tons of countries out there whose currencies aren't even close to being major reserve currencies who have also avoided major currency crises.

There's no reason to think that we would invade a country just because it doesn't keep out currency in reserve. Iraq may have switched off of our currency but we were pretty hostile to them long before they did that.

 

[Balt]

With the dollar continually getting weaker, I'm not surprised.

I don't think we're going to war with Iran though. We don't need to double our problems in the Middle East when we can't even handle the ones we have now.

 

[her209]

/cues "Whoop, There It Is"

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: lozina
Topic Title: War with Iran is a sure thing now

With what army? We going to use Boy Scouts?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: lozina
Topic Title: War with Iran is a sure thing now

With what army? We going to use Boy Scouts?

Your doubt comes from your position, not from reality.

We could easily have and win a war against Iran and its military. It is occupation and reconstruction with Islamists running amok where we utterly fail.

In the field of war is where terrorism thrives. Creating that field of war is the easy part.

 

[kage69]

This is a brilliant, brilliant move by the Iranians. If it was chess it would be a !! move...

Fantastic post GrGr. :thumbsup: Spot on. I like the chess comparison, very fitting given the country

I bet Putin is laughing his ass off and Hu must have a secret smile as well.

Now I have to ask! Do you bychance have any experience with chi kung/qigong? That made me laugh.

Your doubt comes from your position, not from reality.

We could easily have and win a war against Iran and its military. It is occupation and reconstruction with Islamists running amok where we utterly fail.

In the field of war is where terrorism thrives. Creating that field of war is the easy part.

Please don't take this the wrong way (as we don't agree much on anything), but I feel called upon to applaud you here. You are quite correct. :thumbsup:

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: lozina
Topic Title: War with Iran is a sure thing now

With what army? We going to use Boy Scouts?

Your doubt comes from your position, not from reality.

We could easily have and win a war against Iran and its military. It is occupation and reconstruction with Islamists running amok where we utterly fail.

In the field of war is where terrorism thrives. Creating that field of war is the easy part.

Well said, I couldn't have said it better :thumbsup:

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: lozina
Topic Title: War with Iran is a sure thing now

With what army? We going to use Boy Scouts?

Your doubt comes from your position, not from reality.

We could easily have and win a war against Iran and its military. It is occupation and reconstruction with Islamists running amok where we utterly fail.

In the field of war is where terrorism thrives. Creating that field of war is the easy part.

I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with Jaskalas on anything (and I still don't like that he included his typical "Islam is bad" response), but he hits the nail on the head: Iran, as a military power, would get absolutely destroyed going up against the US. We wouldn't even need soldiers on the ground, but that we're in two neighboring countries fighting wars.

America's problem is not that we can't bomb the shit out of people whenever and however we want; it's that we can't get them to like/trust us after we do (go figure).

 

[Aimster]

I laugh at the idea that the U.S could win a war with Iran.

How is the U.S going to win a war against a country where 70 million of the people are going to be against you? Where they have stockpiles of missiles capable of hitting U.S targets on a daily basis with the U.S unable to do a thing to stop it.
How is the U.S going to control the flow of oil in the Strait of Hormouz? Iran has thousands of naval craft and one hit on any oil ship will close down the passage of oil for months. Not only small military ships, but they have thousands of land to sea missiles and installations.

The last time the U.S ever faced a large military threat such as Iran was Vietnam. The U.S lost. Before that it was North Korea. The U.S lost.

The U.S military is excellent at taking on military to military forces in the open like it did with Saddam's Iraq. Iran is no Saddam's Iraq nor are their military forces in the open desert waiting for U.S air strikes to own them. Attacking Iran is a pointless game of I hit you and Iran is like ok well I hit you back. The only way to win any kind of conflict with Iran is invasion and the U.S will never even be able to enter Tehran.

The U.S and Israel do not negotiate with anyone. They just attack or bully them around. It is Iran who is laughing at them this time around because Iran's strategic location gives them the ability to tell the U.S to <^> off. If I was wrong in the above the U.S would have attack Iran 10 years ago. Read all the headlines "Attack on Iran possible", "Attack on Iran likely". This message has been going on and on for the last 10+ years.

To sum it up, Iran's military force is basically an advanced Hezbollah force. Israel had a hell of a hard time defeating Hezbollah which has around 2,000-10,000 members. Israel used everything they got and ran out of weapons. Lebanon was turned into rubble, but Hezbollah continued their attacks and Israel had no choice but to retreat to rethink their military planning and strategy.
Now unless the U.S military knows something the Israeli military does not know I would sure love to know what it is.

The only positive thing about Iran's military capabilities is it is a piece of shit if it wants to move outside Iran. It is an anti-invasion force. Not an invading military.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I laugh at the idea that the U.S could win a war with Iran.

How is the U.S going to win a war against a country where 70 million of the people are going to be against you? Where they have stockpiles of missiles capable of hitting U.S targets on a daily basis with the U.S unable to do a thing to stop it.
How is the U.S going to control the flow of oil in the Strait of Hormouz? Iran has thousands of naval craft and one hit on any oil ship will close down the passage of oil for months. Not only small military ships, but they have thousands of land to sea missiles and installations.

The last time the U.S ever faced a large military threat such as Iran was Vietnam. The U.S lost. Before that it was North Korea. The U.S lost.

The U.S military is excellent at taking on military to military forces in the open like it did with Saddam's Iraq. Iran is no Saddam's Iraq nor are their military forces in the open desert waiting for U.S air strikes to own them. Attacking Iran is a pointless game of I hit you and Iran is like ok well I hit you back. The only way to win any kind of conflict with Iran is invasion and the U.S will never even be able to enter Tehran.

The U.S and Israel do not negotiate with anyone. They just attack or bully them around. It is Iran who is laughing at them this time around because Iran's strategic location gives them the ability to tell the U.S to <^> off. If I was wrong in the above the U.S would have attack Iran 10 years ago. Read all the headlines "Attack on Iran possible", "Attack on Iran likely". This message has been going on and on for the last 10+ years.

To sum it up, Iran's military force is basically an advanced Hezbollah force. Israel had a hell of a hard time defeating Hezbollah which has around 2,000-10,000 members. Israel used everything they got and ran out of weapons. Lebanon was turned into rubble, but Hezbollah continued their attacks and Israel had no choice but to retreat to rethink their military planning and strategy.
Now unless the U.S military knows something the Israeli military does not know I would sure love to know what it is.

The only positive thing about Iran's military capabilities is it is a piece of shit if it wants to move outside Iran. It is an anti-invasion force. Not an invading military.

We could win a conventional war against Iran. We have 1000 missiles for every one of theirs.

The problem, like you said, is their large standing militia. Due to conscription, everyone is a trained soldier. So you have 70 million people up against you. Sounds like the perfect application for chemical weapons to me. Kill 'em all, let Allah sort 'em out. :thumbsup:

Then we could take their oil, their infrastructure would be pretty much undamaged, and you wouldn't have to deal with an insurgency.