War with Iran is a sure thing now

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I laugh at the idea that the U.S could win a war with Iran.

How is the U.S going to win a war against a country where 70 million of the people are going to be against you? Where they have stockpiles of missiles capable of hitting U.S targets on a daily basis with the U.S unable to do a thing to stop it.
How is the U.S going to control the flow of oil in the Strait of Hormouz? Iran has thousands of naval craft and one hit on any oil ship will close down the passage of oil for months. Not only small military ships, but they have thousands of land to sea missiles and installations.

The last time the U.S ever faced a large military threat such as Iran was Vietnam. The U.S lost. Before that it was North Korea. The U.S lost.

The U.S military is excellent at taking on military to military forces in the open like it did with Saddam's Iraq. Iran is no Saddam's Iraq nor are their military forces in the open desert waiting for U.S air strikes to own them. Attacking Iran is a pointless game of I hit you and Iran is like ok well I hit you back. The only way to win any kind of conflict with Iran is invasion and the U.S will never even be able to enter Tehran.

The U.S and Israel do not negotiate with anyone. They just attack or bully them around. It is Iran who is laughing at them this time around because Iran's strategic location gives them the ability to tell the U.S to <^> off. If I was wrong in the above the U.S would have attack Iran 10 years ago. Read all the headlines "Attack on Iran possible", "Attack on Iran likely". This message has been going on and on for the last 10+ years.

To sum it up, Iran's military force is basically an advanced Hezbollah force. Israel had a hell of a hard time defeating Hezbollah which has around 2,000-10,000 members. Israel used everything they got and ran out of weapons. Lebanon was turned into rubble, but Hezbollah continued their attacks and Israel had no choice but to retreat to rethink their military planning and strategy.
Now unless the U.S military knows something the Israeli military does not know I would sure love to know what it is.

The only positive thing about Iran's military capabilities is it is a piece of shit if it wants to move outside Iran. It is an anti-invasion force. Not an invading military.

This post is patently ridiculous. I don't support military action against Iran, indeed economically I think it would be utter suicide for the US.

That said,

Iran as a conventional/military power could be wiped off the map in a matter of days. Are you up to date on US naval and military power? Awacs, Satellites, Predators, tens of thousands of Tomahawk cruise missiles, thousands of ICBMs, etc? If it came down to a total conventional war, the Iranians wouldn't stand as much of a chance as a chihuahua against a rabid lion.

Your comparison with Israel/Hezbollah also falls totally short of the mark. Israel DID NOT use everything they had. If they truly wanted Lebanon off the map they could have nuked it six ways from sunday. Only every 5th cockroach would survive.

Your comparisons with Vietnam and Korea are also painfully inept. The US vs. Vietcong was a proxy battle with China/Russia, same with Korea. In Korea most of the downed US pilots were hit by Russian Migs with Russian Pilots or Russian-Trained Pilots. In both the Korean and Vietnam wars both sides played with one hand behind their back, not wanting to broaded the conflict into a true world war.

Iraq is a clusterf*ck of epic proportions because we're trying to OCCUPY a hopelessly unstable and unfriendly territory. Even with 5 times the troops, it'd still be unwinnable, as the host population will never see eye to eye with the US on terms of politics, religion, or economics. This is one area which I'm sure you agree with me on.

Even though I'm against the Iraq war, and against a war against Iran, I am not so deluded as to believe that it would be anything less than child's play to utterly wipe Iran out as a political or military presence. What WOULD be impossible would be any long-term or even medium-term military occupation.

But please, read up on current US military strength. It's not in the relatively small standing army, but in the nearly incomprehensible destructive strength of the technology at hand. Hell, a single carrier battle group, or a single Trident strike sub (carrying 192 nuclear-tipped Tomahawk cruise missiles) is damn near capable of wiping out every conventional target on a mid-sized CONTINENT.

 

[GrGr]

Everybody knows the US can reduce Iran to rubble, and bounce that rubble 10+, if it wants to. I agree with Aimster that Iran would still find ways of hurting the US back. The minute the US bombing campaign starts Iran would launch a lot of Silkworms for starters. And as Arkaign says the real problems start after the US has 'won' the military part of the campaign.

The one thing that really speaks for a US attack is that it would be one of the few things Bush could do that would be an even bigger disaster than invading Iraq.

 

[Aimster]

If Iran's military power could be wiped out in a matter of days

Then I guess the Israel military is a piece of crap for not being able to take out Hezbollah's military capabilities in a month

You all live in la la land. Israel used every bomb in their inventory and had to order more from the U.S to be shipped in ASAP.

Lebanon is not even close to being the size of Iran.

The only way the U.S could stop Iran's military capability would be to drop nuclear warheads all over Iran making them incapable of doing anything.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Aimster
I laugh at the idea that the U.S could win a war with Iran.

How is the U.S going to win a war against a country where 70 million of the people are going to be against you? Where they have stockpiles of missiles capable of hitting U.S targets on a daily basis with the U.S unable to do a thing to stop it.
How is the U.S going to control the flow of oil in the Strait of Hormouz? Iran has thousands of naval craft and one hit on any oil ship will close down the passage of oil for months. Not only small military ships, but they have thousands of land to sea missiles and installations.

The last time the U.S ever faced a large military threat such as Iran was Vietnam. The U.S lost. Before that it was North Korea. The U.S lost.

The U.S military is excellent at taking on military to military forces in the open like it did with Saddam's Iraq. Iran is no Saddam's Iraq nor are their military forces in the open desert waiting for U.S air strikes to own them. Attacking Iran is a pointless game of I hit you and Iran is like ok well I hit you back. The only way to win any kind of conflict with Iran is invasion and the U.S will never even be able to enter Tehran.

The U.S and Israel do not negotiate with anyone. They just attack or bully them around. It is Iran who is laughing at them this time around because Iran's strategic location gives them the ability to tell the U.S to <^> off. If I was wrong in the above the U.S would have attack Iran 10 years ago. Read all the headlines "Attack on Iran possible", "Attack on Iran likely". This message has been going on and on for the last 10+ years.

To sum it up, Iran's military force is basically an advanced Hezbollah force. Israel had a hell of a hard time defeating Hezbollah which has around 2,000-10,000 members. Israel used everything they got and ran out of weapons. Lebanon was turned into rubble, but Hezbollah continued their attacks and Israel had no choice but to retreat to rethink their military planning and strategy.
Now unless the U.S military knows something the Israeli military does not know I would sure love to know what it is.

The only positive thing about Iran's military capabilities is it is a piece of shit if it wants to move outside Iran. It is an anti-invasion force. Not an invading military.

This post is patently ridiculous. I don't support military action against Iran, indeed economically I think it would be utter suicide for the US.

That said,

Iran as a conventional/military power could be wiped off the map in a matter of days. Are you up to date on US naval and military power? Awacs, Satellites, Predators, tens of thousands of Tomahawk cruise missiles, thousands of ICBMs, etc? If it came down to a total conventional war, the Iranians wouldn't stand as much of a chance as a chihuahua against a rabid lion.

Your comparison with Israel/Hezbollah also falls totally short of the mark. Israel DID NOT use everything they had. If they truly wanted Lebanon off the map they could have nuked it six ways from sunday. Only every 5th cockroach would survive.

Your comparisons with Vietnam and Korea are also painfully inept. The US vs. Vietcong was a proxy battle with China/Russia, same with Korea. In Korea most of the downed US pilots were hit by Russian Migs with Russian Pilots or Russian-Trained Pilots. In both the Korean and Vietnam wars both sides played with one hand behind their back, not wanting to broaded the conflict into a true world war.

Iraq is a clusterf*ck of epic proportions because we're trying to OCCUPY a hopelessly unstable and unfriendly territory. Even with 5 times the troops, it'd still be unwinnable, as the host population will never see eye to eye with the US on terms of politics, religion, or economics. This is one area which I'm sure you agree with me on.

Even though I'm against the Iraq war, and against a war against Iran, I am not so deluded as to believe that it would be anything less than child's play to utterly wipe Iran out as a political or military presence. What WOULD be impossible would be any long-term or even medium-term military occupation.

But please, read up on current US military strength. It's not in the relatively small standing army, but in the nearly incomprehensible destructive strength of the technology at hand. Hell, a single carrier battle group, or a single Trident strike sub (carrying 192 nuclear-tipped Tomahawk cruise missiles) is damn near capable of wiping out every conventional target on a mid-sized CONTINENT.

Yeah everything you said sounds exactly like what Israel did to the South of Lebanon.

Hezbollah continued to fire missiles until the last day. Numbers were still 100-200+ missiles until the end of the ceasefire.

Israel did everything they could and were unable to stop the missiles.

What the hell is the U.S going to do to Iran that is MASSIVE in size compared to Lebanon that Israel is incapable of doing?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Aimster
How is the U.S going to win a war against a country where 70 million of the people are going to be against you?

FAE's.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Aimster
I laugh at the idea that the U.S could win a war with Iran.

How is the U.S going to win a war against a country where 70 million of the people are going to be against you? Where they have stockpiles of missiles capable of hitting U.S targets on a daily basis with the U.S unable to do a thing to stop it.
How is the U.S going to control the flow of oil in the Strait of Hormouz? Iran has thousands of naval craft and one hit on any oil ship will close down the passage of oil for months. Not only small military ships, but they have thousands of land to sea missiles and installations.

The last time the U.S ever faced a large military threat such as Iran was Vietnam. The U.S lost. Before that it was North Korea. The U.S lost.

The U.S military is excellent at taking on military to military forces in the open like it did with Saddam's Iraq. Iran is no Saddam's Iraq nor are their military forces in the open desert waiting for U.S air strikes to own them. Attacking Iran is a pointless game of I hit you and Iran is like ok well I hit you back. The only way to win any kind of conflict with Iran is invasion and the U.S will never even be able to enter Tehran.

The U.S and Israel do not negotiate with anyone. They just attack or bully them around. It is Iran who is laughing at them this time around because Iran's strategic location gives them the ability to tell the U.S to <^> off. If I was wrong in the above the U.S would have attack Iran 10 years ago. Read all the headlines "Attack on Iran possible", "Attack on Iran likely". This message has been going on and on for the last 10+ years.

To sum it up, Iran's military force is basically an advanced Hezbollah force. Israel had a hell of a hard time defeating Hezbollah which has around 2,000-10,000 members. Israel used everything they got and ran out of weapons. Lebanon was turned into rubble, but Hezbollah continued their attacks and Israel had no choice but to retreat to rethink their military planning and strategy.
Now unless the U.S military knows something the Israeli military does not know I would sure love to know what it is.

The only positive thing about Iran's military capabilities is it is a piece of shit if it wants to move outside Iran. It is an anti-invasion force. Not an invading military.

This post is patently ridiculous. I don't support military action against Iran, indeed economically I think it would be utter suicide for the US.

That said,

Iran as a conventional/military power could be wiped off the map in a matter of days. Are you up to date on US naval and military power? Awacs, Satellites, Predators, tens of thousands of Tomahawk cruise missiles, thousands of ICBMs, etc? If it came down to a total conventional war, the Iranians wouldn't stand as much of a chance as a chihuahua against a rabid lion.

Your comparison with Israel/Hezbollah also falls totally short of the mark. Israel DID NOT use everything they had. If they truly wanted Lebanon off the map they could have nuked it six ways from sunday. Only every 5th cockroach would survive.

Your comparisons with Vietnam and Korea are also painfully inept. The US vs. Vietcong was a proxy battle with China/Russia, same with Korea. In Korea most of the downed US pilots were hit by Russian Migs with Russian Pilots or Russian-Trained Pilots. In both the Korean and Vietnam wars both sides played with one hand behind their back, not wanting to broaded the conflict into a true world war.

Iraq is a clusterf*ck of epic proportions because we're trying to OCCUPY a hopelessly unstable and unfriendly territory. Even with 5 times the troops, it'd still be unwinnable, as the host population will never see eye to eye with the US on terms of politics, religion, or economics. This is one area which I'm sure you agree with me on.

Even though I'm against the Iraq war, and against a war against Iran, I am not so deluded as to believe that it would be anything less than child's play to utterly wipe Iran out as a political or military presence. What WOULD be impossible would be any long-term or even medium-term military occupation.

But please, read up on current US military strength. It's not in the relatively small standing army, but in the nearly incomprehensible destructive strength of the technology at hand. Hell, a single carrier battle group, or a single Trident strike sub (carrying 192 nuclear-tipped Tomahawk cruise missiles) is damn near capable of wiping out every conventional target on a mid-sized CONTINENT.

Yeah everything you said sounds exactly like what Israel did to the South of Lebanon.

Hezbollah continued to fire missiles until the last day. Numbers were still 100-200+ missiles until the end of the ceasefire.

Israel did everything they could and were unable to stop the missiles.

What the hell is the U.S going to do to Iran that is MASSIVE in size compared to Lebanon that Israel is incapable of doing?

You miss the point. Israel was targeting quite sloppily a few idiots with little inconsequential rockets. A conventional attack on Iran by the US would systematically destroy all military and political infrastructure. Of course the fringe militia elements with little rockets would still be able to operate somewhat (much less so because of the much more arid/wasteland environment that dominates Iran), but the ability to wage a credible war would be eliminated within the first few days.

Israel did not wage a full war on Lebanon. Big difference. Also, Israel does not have carrier battle groups or an equivalent to the Trident assault subs.

 

[Aimster]

Israel attacked every target they could.
They dropped cluster bombs.

They sent in troops.
They fired artillery.
They sent in naval warships.
They sent in Apache helicopters.
They sent in tanks.
F-16s were flying overhead every minute of every hour dropping bombs.

I do not see what the U.S is going to do differently.

& Iran does not have little rockets. They have thousands of missiles and missile launchers
Even during the last invasion of Iraq, Saddam's army managed to launch their missiles at U.S troops. The missiles Iraq made were crap and missed their targets, but they managed to launch them. The U.S troops went in with a fear of chemical attacks from missiles so surely they would have taken all their missile capabilities out if they could as you suggest

Israel does not need carrier battle groups. They have bases inside Israel. Carriers are only useful when their is no base to land near-by

 

[StageLeft]

Simply, Iran's conventional military (tanks, APCs, infrastructure) would, obviously, be summarily annialated. Iraq's loss of conventional military was more a result of tanks having a top speed across its desert than anything else; their removal merely costs money in ordnance.

I think Hezbollah's structure is setup in great part because they are running a bit under the radar, so they don't have a navy and conventional bases, and clearly if Iran has similar forces, they're rather difficult to get rid of by a conventional military, as Israel's embarrassment last year showed, but if Iran's military is more like that in Iraq, it's a non-issue, the only issue is all the mess left over afterward like that seen in Iraq now, and I imagine hezbollah-like forces would be pouring into Iran just to have some fun anyway. They don't cause much real destruction firing those rockets from god knows where, but they are certainly a PITA and certainly very difficult to fully eradicate.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Aimster
How is the U.S going to win a war against a country where 70 million of the people are going to be against you?

FAE's.

Agreed. FAEs on military bases, bunker busters on hardened targets (like their nuclear facilities) and chemical weapons on the soft targets (major population centers.) Iran wouldn't stand a chance.

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: Aimster
If Iran's military power could be wiped out in a matter of days

Then I guess the Israel military is a piece of crap for not being able to take out Hezbollah's military capabilities in a month

You all live in la la land. Israel used every bomb in their inventory and had to order more from the U.S to be shipped in ASAP.

Lebanon is not even close to being the size of Iran.

The only way the U.S could stop Iran's military capability would be to drop nuclear warheads all over Iran making them incapable of doing anything.

Being on the topic of Lebanon, I am going to have to agree on that one, fvcknig Israeli army was so desperate, that they had to use the tactics they know best, deaths and amputations are still happening all over my country till this day, to innocent civilians that were/ and still are targeted deliberately by the Israeli cluster bombs that still plague my country from each conflict with Israel. No body raised a fvking finger about that, no body shouted war crimes, TBH, they might as well have used Chemical weapons, people would have still not said anything about it.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: Aimster
If Iran's military power could be wiped out in a matter of days

Then I guess the Israel military is a piece of crap for not being able to take out Hezbollah's military capabilities in a month

You all live in la la land. <Israel used every bomb in their inventory and had to order more from the U.S to be shipped in ASAP.

Lebanon is not even close to being the size of Iran.

The only way the U.S could stop Iran's military capability would be to drop nuclear warheads all over Iran making them incapable of doing anything.

Being on the topic of Lebanon, I am going to have to agree on that one, fvcknig Israeli army was so desperate, that they had to use the tactics they know best, deaths and amputations are still happening all over my country till this day, to innocent civilians that were/ and still are targeted deliberately by the Israeli cluster bombs that still plague my country from each conflict with Israel. No body raised a fvking finger about that, no body shouted war crimes, TBH, they might as well have used Chemical weapons, people would have still not said anything about it.

Israel held back in a major way in the summer war. I agree though, they should have used chemical weapons. Would put an end to the hezbollah shenanigans once and for all.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: lozina
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/...LaColVYu5LA&refer=home

July 13 (Bloomberg) -- Iran asked Japanese refiners to switch to the yen to pay for all crude oil purchases, after Iran's central bank said it's cutting holdings of the U.S. dollar.

Saddam tried doing the same thing, with euros. Look where it got him ...

Mess with dollar hegemony and you get the horns

Actually, with the declining value of the dollar this isn't that bad of an idea economically... but the yen is likewise laughable. Still, this "news" doesn't increase or decrease our chances of going to war with Iran. It's likely that *if* we go to war with Iran, our dear leader has already made secret plans to find WMDs in Iran.

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: Aimster
If Iran's military power could be wiped out in a matter of days

Then I guess the Israel military is a piece of crap for not being able to take out Hezbollah's military capabilities in a month

You all live in la la land. <<<Israel used every bomb in their inventory and had to order more from the U.S to be shipped in ASAP.

Lebanon is not even close to being the size of Iran.

The only way the U.S could stop Iran's military capability would be to drop nuclear warheads all over Iran making them incapable of doing anything.

Being on the topic of Lebanon, I am going to have to agree on that one, fvcknig Israeli army was so desperate, that they had to use the tactics they know best, deaths and amputations are still happening all over my country till this day, to innocent civilians that were/ and still are targeted deliberately by the Israeli cluster bombs that still plague my country from each conflict with Israel. No body raised a fvking finger about that, no body shouted war crimes, TBH, they might as well have used Chemical weapons, people would have still not said anything about it.

Israel held back in a major way in the summer war. I agree though, they should have used chemical weapons. Would put an end to the hezbollah shenanigans once and for all.

They should have used Chemical Weapons? What are you mocking me or something?You find this amusing?
And held back my ass BTW, like people owe Israel for not killing them!

They deviated from fighting the extremist Hizbollah to targeting random innocent civilians that not only didn't support Hizbollah, but neither even existed anywhere near the conflict--a relative of mine used to own a nice fancy kitchen factory a hundred miles away from the nearest conflict, way in the calm country side, where I used to live when I was back in Lebanon, he was going about his business one day, an Israeli fighter jet launched a rocket precisely at where he was blowing him into pieces along with his factory that his family used to rely on for a living, why was that? And there are dozens of stories like that, why? No answers, nothing but silence.

Mr Clark said information Israel had provided to help with the bomblets' clearance had been "useless".

"We have asked for grid references for [cluster bomb] strikes," he said.

"We have not received them so far."

Oh ya, how surprising of Israel, if they truly had an intent to not hurt civilians, the least thing they could do is provide the UN with the God Damn maps, no?

I wish my country of origin had someone with brains and balls in the UN, Israel must be sued in an international tribunal for it's war crimes, every Lebanese citizen that receives damage from any Israeli mine after the the end of the war, Israel must pay for his medical expenses and pay compensation for his family in case he dies due to his injuries or is incapable of returning to the workforce. That would teach them to use mines and ***** cluster bombs against civilians again, but that's just a dream, a dream that a weak, small and a fragile country like mine could one day say to Israel to fvck off. Oh how many times I wished that Lebanese army (not Hizbollah) had an effective anti-aircraft defense systems forming a ring around the country that would shoot those fvking F-16's every time they violate Lebanon's air space either when it's a case of war or a case of peace. BTW Israel used to violate Lebanon's air space on an almost daily basis when I was there about 7 years ago, there wasn't a war going on or anything, they just enter the Lebanese airspace whenever they felt like it, took spy pics here and there, practice maneuvers here and there, all of that ***** stuff, to hell with the IAF.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

They should have used Chemical Weapons? What are you mocking me or something?You find this amusing?
And held back my ass BTW, like people owe Israel for not killing them!

Lebanon elected terrorists. Thus Lebanon is a terrorist state. Everyone there should either violently overthrow the terrorists, or be happy and greatful every day that Israel doesn't block the sun with nerve gas.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Lebanon elected terrorists. Thus Lebanon is a terrorist state. Everyone there should either violently overthrow the terrorists, or be happy and greatful every day that Israel doesn't block the sun with nerve gas.

WTF is it with Texas anyway that makes its inhabitants so god damn stupid and mean? Do cowboy hats restrict blood flow to the brain? Do those big ass belt buckles cause chromosome damage?

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

They should have used Chemical Weapons? What are you mocking me or something?You find this amusing?
And held back my ass BTW, like people owe Israel for not killing them!

Lebanon elected terrorists. Thus Lebanon is a terrorist state. Everyone there should either violently overthrow the terrorists, or be happy and greatful every day that Israel doesn't block the sun with nerve gas.

What a joke, do you even know WTF you are foaming at the mouth about?
Elected Terrorists? When ? Did I miss it? Since when Hizbollah's decisions where approved by the government of Lebanon? Israel in it's military might and capabilities couldn't defeat Hizbollah, do you really expect the Lebanese army to be able to do that?
On top of that civilians in Lebanon should be grateful that they don't get the nerve gas treatment from Israel too? So remind me again who is the terrorist here?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

They should have used Chemical Weapons? What are you mocking me or something?You find this amusing?
And held back my ass BTW, like people owe Israel for not killing them!

Lebanon elected terrorists. Thus Lebanon is a terrorist state. Everyone there should either violently overthrow the terrorists, or be happy and greatful every day that Israel doesn't block the sun with nerve gas.

What a joke, do you even know WTF you are foaming at the mouth about?
Elected Terrorists? When ? Did I miss it? Since when Hizbollah's decisions where approved by the government of Lebanon? Israel in it's military might and capabilities couldn't defeat Hizbollah, do you really expect the Lebanese army to be able to do that?
On top of that civilians in Lebanon should be grateful that they don't get the nerve gas treatment from Israel too? So remind me again who is the terrorist here?

Who cares who the terrorist is. Kill them before they kill more Israelis. If the Lebanese people choose to be surrounded by terrorists (or harbor terrorists in their midsts,) then they will suffer the collateral damage.

If you take issue with using the term terrorist because of the tactics involved, then just substitute "enemies of Israel" in for "terrorist."

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

They should have used Chemical Weapons? What are you mocking me or something?You find this amusing?
And held back my ass BTW, like people owe Israel for not killing them!

Lebanon elected terrorists. Thus Lebanon is a terrorist state. Everyone there should either violently overthrow the terrorists, or be happy and greatful every day that Israel doesn't block the sun with nerve gas.

What a joke, do you even know WTF you are foaming at the mouth about?
Elected Terrorists? When ? Did I miss it? Since when Hizbollah's decisions where approved by the government of Lebanon? Israel in it's military might and capabilities couldn't defeat Hizbollah, do you really expect the Lebanese army to be able to do that?
On top of that civilians in Lebanon should be grateful that they don't get the nerve gas treatment from Israel too? So remind me again who is the terrorist here?

Who cares who the terrorist is. Kill them before they kill more Israelis. If the Lebanese people choose to be surrounded by terrorists (or harbor terrorists in their midsts,) then they will suffer the collateral damage.

If you take issue with using the term terrorist because of the tactics involved, then just substitute "enemies of Israel" in for "terrorist."

Wrong!
I was referring to you as a terrorist with your quiet disturbing nerve gas suggestion, but I think your comprehension skills were lacking then, and still lacking now too I might add.

Who cares who the terrorist is. Kill them before they kill more Israelis.

Wow, just wow...your wisdom and political insight has just started to reveal itself to everyone in here...and we are nothing short of amazed TBH...

I am not going to go into this subject with you again, as it seems to me, you don't really know jack shit about what happened back then nor what's happening now, you are just trying to chime with your 2 cents in favor of Israel one way or another.
FYI I am % 100 in opposition to Hizbollah right know and I have always been against Hizbollah, as a Lebanese (a Muslim too) I have like many of my compatriots realized long time ago that Hizbollah's aim is not to defend Lebanon, but it's to weaken Lebanon to a point where they can assume the country's defense and security positions and later on, take on the duties of the government, it's a smart and slow move that if ever completed would put the whole country in their hands. Which would pave the way for a Hizbollah take over of Lebanon and it's transformation from a semi-secular pro-western republic where religions are represented fairly and where people enjoy freedom of faith, speech and life style, all the way to a mini-Iran/Syria fashioned country, which would be an average Lebanese's worst fear, we have seen how people in those countries live, I have had the misfortune of visiting Syria before(I needed to go the US embassy in Damascus to obtain some documents from there prior to my travel to the US).

People over in Syria are treated like sheep by the government, you could almost feel it, the intelligence agency's virtual grip over your neck is ruthless, people do not dare discuss the politics of their country even with their closest friends as they fear they might be spies for the government which would later put them in prison somewhere where they would never see sunlight again and wish death upon themselves rather than be arrested by the government. And let's not forget Iran where human rights violations by the government occur left and right. So I am pretty confident we as Lebanese do not want Hizbollah to succeed in it's quest in Lebanon no matter what the cost is. The Lebanese people and government have tried over the years to curb Hizbollah's power gain, unfortunately your beloved Israel's continuous disregard to human life and complete lack of respect to international law and agreements did nothing but bolster Hizbollah's popularity amongst the majority of it's Shiite Muslim fan base. Now the Lebanese people can do nothing but wait for the almost inevitable civil war between the mainly Sunni Muslims, Maronite Christians pro-government coalition and the pro-Hizbollah mainly Shiite supporters.

People from my country are fleeing to the west like crazy, I almost have no relatives left in Lebanon, my family is quiet big, however most of my family members and relatives have dual or triple citizenships, so most of them have fled already before the real conflict shows it's ugly teeth. My country got shattered into pieces by last year's conflict, economy is at an all time low since the civil war, the main sector of our economy tourisim is %100 dead thanks to Hizbollah's provocation and Israel's unbelievable excessive use of power, the dipshit Israelis didn't realize that they where doing Hizbollah a BIG favor by overreacting with that pre-planned war of theirs.

Bottom line is, things are not good, Lebanese people are trying their best but nothing is moving forward thanks to Hizbollah and Israel, on top of that, another ugly, bloody and pointless civil war appears on Lebanon's horizon, but I'll tell you, the last thing we need is SOME CLUELESS DUMBASS FROM TEXAS TO EXPLAIN HOW THINGS ARE TO US AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE!

 

[Nebor]

That was smart of you to leave Lebanon. Now you're not sheltering Hezbollah. It's pretty simple, either the good honest Lebanese people should kill the Hezbollah terrorists, or don't be suprised when they receive a lot of collateral damage from others trying to kill Hezbollah.

You let your country get this messed up in the first place. It's gotten to a point where it's a threat to it's righteous neighbor (Israel.) So I have no sympathy. Kill 'em all, let Allah sort 'em out.

I'll always support Israel, no matter what they do. It's a Texas thing.

 

[hiromizu]

I believe there's a higher chance of Israel attacking Iran by the end of the year. Just a gut feeling.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: Aimster
If Iran's military power could be wiped out in a matter of days

Then I guess the Israel military is a piece of crap for not being able to take out Hezbollah's military capabilities in a month

You all live in la la land. <<Israel used every bomb in their inventory and had to order more from the U.S to be shipped in ASAP.

Lebanon is not even close to being the size of Iran.

The only way the U.S could stop Iran's military capability would be to drop nuclear warheads all over Iran making them incapable of doing anything.

Being on the topic of Lebanon, I am going to have to agree on that one, fvcknig Israeli army was so desperate, that they had to use the tactics they know best, deaths and amputations are still happening all over my country till this day, to innocent civilians that were/ and still are targeted deliberately by the Israeli cluster bombs that still plague my country from each conflict with Israel. No body raised a fvking finger about that, no body shouted war crimes, TBH, they might as well have used Chemical weapons, people would have still not said anything about it.

Israel held back in a major way in the summer war. I agree though, they should have used chemical weapons. Would put an end to the hezbollah shenanigans once and for all.

Chemical Weapons is banned.

Israel used everything it was 'allowed' to use.

If not Iran should load all their missiles with chemical weapons.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: Aimster
If Iran's military power could be wiped out in a matter of days

Then I guess the Israel military is a piece of crap for not being able to take out Hezbollah's military capabilities in a month

You all live in la la land. <<<Israel used every bomb in their inventory and had to order more from the U.S to be shipped in ASAP.

Lebanon is not even close to being the size of Iran.

The only way the U.S could stop Iran's military capability would be to drop nuclear warheads all over Iran making them incapable of doing anything.

Being on the topic of Lebanon, I am going to have to agree on that one, fvcknig Israeli army was so desperate, that they had to use the tactics they know best, deaths and amputations are still happening all over my country till this day, to innocent civilians that were/ and still are targeted deliberately by the Israeli cluster bombs that still plague my country from each conflict with Israel. No body raised a fvking finger about that, no body shouted war crimes, TBH, they might as well have used Chemical weapons, people would have still not said anything about it.

Israel held back in a major way in the summer war. I agree though, they should have used chemical weapons. Would put an end to the hezbollah shenanigans once and for all.

Chemical Weapons is banned.

Israel used everything it was 'allowed' to use.

If not Iran should load all their missiles with chemical weapons.

The Chemical weapons convention you're referring to bans certain types of weapons by name. Modern weapons not on the list aren't banned.

The difference between Iran and Israel is, Israel is ready for a chemical or biological attack. There's a mask for every person.

Of course, if Iran went chemical or biological, I'd endorse Israel going nuclear.

Well, to be fair, I'd endorse whatever Israel does, no matter what.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Well, to be fair, I'd endorse whatever Israel does, no matter what.

Why?

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: Aimster
If Iran's military power could be wiped out in a matter of days

Then I guess the Israel military is a piece of crap for not being able to take out Hezbollah's military capabilities in a month

You all live in la la land. <<Israel used every bomb in their inventory and had to order more from the U.S to be shipped in ASAP.

Lebanon is not even close to being the size of Iran.

The only way the U.S could stop Iran's military capability would be to drop nuclear warheads all over Iran making them incapable of doing anything.

Being on the topic of Lebanon, I am going to have to agree on that one, fvcknig Israeli army was so desperate, that they had to use the tactics they know best, deaths and amputations are still happening all over my country till this day, to innocent civilians that were/ and still are targeted deliberately by the Israeli cluster bombs that still plague my country from each conflict with Israel. No body raised a fvking finger about that, no body shouted war crimes, TBH, they might as well have used Chemical weapons, people would have still not said anything about it.

Israel held back in a major way in the summer war. I agree though, they should have used chemical weapons. Would put an end to the hezbollah shenanigans once and for all.

Chemical weapons don't pierce caves. All that would have accomplished would have been to kill more Lebanese civilians. Nuclear also would have failed unless the entire country was blanketed with them (which is harder than one thinks, it's not like a single nuke makes half a country disappear).

The reality is that Israel was and still is impotent to do anything against Hezbollah without a massive, extended campaign into Lebanon, kind of like the US has done in Iraq (which is working really well, as we all know).

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Nebor

Lebanon elected terrorists. Thus Lebanon is a terrorist state. Everyone there should either violently overthrow the terrorists, or be happy and greatful every day that Israel doesn't block the sun with nerve gas.

WTF is it with Texas anyway that makes its inhabitants so god damn stupid and mean? Do cowboy hats restrict blood flow to the brain? Do those big ass belt buckles cause chromosome damage?

Derogatory stereotypical personal insults, what you?ve nothing to argue and just here to troll?

On the subject, you might want to look up Tokyo fire bombing, Dresden carpet bombing, and the reason Japan surrendered in the Second World War. I surmise from your objection that you did not learn the lessons of war inherently taught from previous wars. You must take out the fighters, and their support structure, and you must do it as brutally as possible to ensure the swiftest cessation of bloodshed.

Now that is NOT to say I support hitting our enemy?s civilian population with WMDs, and I do believe that outside their own WMDs we may secure ourselves defensively at our border and by pursuing the removal of Islam from our nation, without a dire need to go offensively killing people in their homelands.

However, given a scenario where ?all 70 million people are fighters?, fighters being the opportune word. If they are all fighters and we are engaged in a war, they all need to die swiftly by all means necessary. Fighters are not protected in war, only peaceful civilians are. Their numbers should be irrelevant to the question of morality when their intent is to kill you.

If you change the line in bold, I call it suicide. You may call it something else, though that is likely where we disagree.