Wanted: Julian Assange

[dali71]

I wish that someone would kill that prick.

You're immoral scum and worse than most terrorists.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29174710&postcount=36

 

[Corn]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29174710&postcount=36

I guess that makes Craig an immoral scumbag according to his own metric. Classic!

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Sorry forgot to add, but heres a better more detail story.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...nge--women-involved-tell-different-story.html

They both consented to sex. They both got mad after they talked to each other and found out he slept with both.

Would you be ok if you were charged with rape based on their story?

I don't know if you know this since you are not English but the Daily Fail is notorious for publishing made up shit and never following it up.

It's like the onion but they pretend that they are serious, i meant a real source with real information from real people who have been interviewed.

You are picking bullsheit stories because it supports your belief and you are taking the retarded fucks words for what happened.

Let's always do that, someone murders someone, let's not charge anyone who claims he's innocent and the Daily Fail reports him saying that...

Are you daft?

 

[Vette73]

I don't know if you know this since you are not English but the Daily Fail is notorious for publishing made up shit and never following it up.

It's like the onion but they pretend that they are serious, i meant a real source with real information from real people who have been interviewed.

You are picking bullsheit stories because it supports your belief and you are taking the retarded fucks words for what happened.

Let's always do that, someone murders someone, let's not charge anyone who claims he's innocent and the Daily Fail reports him saying that...

Are you daft?

That story matchs what AP and every one else has been running...

"a police report obtained by the AP shows both women had met Assange in connection with a seminar he gave in Stockholm on Aug. 14. The report shows the women filed their complaints together six days later."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/01/julian-assange-rape-inves_n_701578.html

If you cared about facts and not headlines, since you are a biased prick, then you would already know that. But I doubt the truth is what you are after.

 

[nick1985]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29174710&postcount=36

owned

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Thanks for joining shira in trying to take this thread off topic!

It would be interesting to have a separate thread as to whether the extensive use of contract security forces in war is net positive or net negative. Blackwater certainly was very effective in delivering the services they were contracted to. And those individuals who acted as criminals were identified, penalized, prosecuted and punished as allowed by the prevailing contracts and laws.
But I am sure you wish that things had gone differently, just so you would have a stronger political statement to make.

No, just pointing out your amazing ability to have huge double-standards. Give Blackwater a free pass, but jump on the "attack wikileaks"bandwagon.

Given that they did things that at the least made it more difficult for the military, and worst case caused more people to take up arms against our troops, you of course gave them a free pass. Funny how that works. But your partisanship and double standards are well documented in this forum.

 

[shira]

No, just pointing out your amazing ability to have huge double-standards. Give Blackwater a free pass, but jump on the "attack wikileaks"bandwagon.

Given that they did things that at the least made it more difficult for the military, and worst case caused more people to take up arms against our troops, you of course gave them a free pass. Funny how that works. But your partisanship and double standards are well documented in this forum.

Pjabber is a deluded true-believer. Just like Spidey. Just like Fear No Evil. They have no principles and they have no intellect. All they have is their ideology, their certainty, and an utter lack of self awareness. If they'd grown up in Afghanistan, they'd be members of the Taliban. That's how sick they are.

 

[disappoint]

I don't know if you know this since you are not English but the Daily Fail is notorious for publishing made up shit and never following it up.

It's like the onion but they pretend that they are serious, i meant a real source with real information from real people who have been interviewed.

You are picking bullsheit stories because it supports your belief and you are taking the retarded fucks words for what happened.

Let's always do that, someone murders someone, let's not charge anyone who claims he's innocent and the Daily Fail reports him saying that...

Are you daft?

Actually it seems like you are the one who is biased.
Would MSNBC and the Associated Press suffice for you as a credible source even if they back the dailymail article? Of course not, not for you right? Guess who the daft daily fail is now Sheffield. Go on guess.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40250098/ns/world_news-europe/

"Both women have declared that they had consensual sexual relations with our client and that they continued to instigate friendly contact well after the alleged incidents," he said. "Only after the women became aware of each other's relationships with Mr. Assange did they make their allegations against him."

There are 2 sides to every story and hopefully the truth will come out in court. So how could you already have made up your mind without knowing all the facts? Are you daft?

 

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[JohnOfSheffield]

That story matchs what AP and every one else has been running...

"a police report obtained by the AP shows both women had met Assange in connection with a seminar he gave in Stockholm on Aug. 14. The report shows the women filed their complaints together six days later."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/01/julian-assange-rape-inves_n_701578.html

If you cared about facts and not headlines, since you are a biased prick, then you would already know that. But I doubt the truth is what you are after.

You do realise that that does in no way support what you said? It contradicts what you said.

I really don't see how that's fishy at all.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Actually it seems like you are the one who is biased.
Would MSNBC and the Associated Press suffice for you as a credible source even if they back the dailymail article? Of course not, not for you right? Guess who the daft daily fail is now Sheffield. Go on guess.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40250098/ns/world_news-europe/



There are 2 sides to every story and hopefully the truth will come out in court. So how could you already have made up your mind without knowing all the facts? Are you daft?

The lawyer says that he's innocent? And the MSNBC article does not support what was said or what the daily fail reported either.

I'd like to see the fucker charged with treason in his home nation but that's not why i disbelieve people who are claiming that this is an international conspiracy to frame him for a crime he did not commit.

Right now there is an international warrant out for his arrest, that means that the evidence has been ruled by three instances in the court system to support the case against him.

Thing is, this is be buildup, if he DOES get convicted on these charges then all that does is reaffirm the conspiracy nutters case that he was indeed framed.

Let's see if he runs, that might be more interesting at this point than arguing over his guilt at this point.

 

[PJABBER]

No, just pointing out your amazing ability to have huge double-standards. Give Blackwater a free pass, but jump on the "attack wikileaks"bandwagon.

Hmmm.

Blackwater was hired to protect the lives of Department of State employees, provide security for the logistics chain, etc. in a war zone. All of which they did quite effectively under the most extreme conditions and at the cost of a number of contractors' lives and none of those they were assigned to protect. As most of those who worked for Blackwater were ex-military or ex-LE you may have a special hatred for them. I do not.

Wikileaks deliberately released reams of classified data that put the lives of many people at risk, including people that are innocent of anything but being in a war torn country. WikiLeaks seems to have done so to cause such harm that they thought they would stop the war. Of course they didn't, they just made it much harder to move the war to a peaceful conclusion.

Yeah, I do think one did something worthwhile and the other did not.

Given that they did things that at the least made it more difficult for the military, and worst case caused more people to take up arms against our troops, you of course gave them a free pass. Funny how that works. But your partisanship and double standards are well documented in this forum.

There is always a tension between armed forces and the relative roles of uniformed military vs armed civilian contractors is a complex one. When you do consider that many of the contractors were ex-military, especially in the early stages, when they were often ex-SEALs, ex-Rangers, etc., there was more of a mutual respect. Blackwater saved the lives of many troops by responding in emergencies when other forces were not available.

Again, there is death and tragedy in war. You may not know this or it is all some kind of farce to you, to be used for political points.

My standards, of course, are very different, but they are by no means double.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Hmmm.

Blackwater was hired to protect the lives of Department of State employees, provide security for the logistics chain, etc. in a war zone. All of which they did quite effectively under the most extreme conditions and at the cost of a number of contractors' lives and none of those they were assigned to protect. As most of those who worked for Blackwater were ex-military or ex-LE you may have a special hatred for them. I do not.

You mean they were not there to rape female members of the military, to get high on Heroine and break conduct by killing innocents almost every day?

No shit? The protection of these mercenarys is a shame on the US and i'll be a shame as long as people in the US government protects them. They should be charged under the Afghan system, and hanged.

I have no fucking sympathy for psychopats that act under military justice law and can never be senteced by it, these retarded fucks need to be dead, yes, DEAD!

Wikileaks deliberately released reams of classified data that put the lives of many people at risk, including people that are innocent of anything but being in a war torn country. WikiLeaks seems to have done so to cause such harm that they thought they would stop the war. Of course they didn't, they just made it much harder to move the war to a peaceful conclusion.

Yeah, I do think one did something worthwhile and the other did not.



There is always a tension between armed forces and the relative roles of uniformed military vs armed civilian contractors is a complex one. When you do consider that many of the contractors were ex-military, especially in the early stages, when they were often ex-SEALs, ex-Rangers, etc., there was more of a mutual respect. Blackwater saved the lives of many troops by responding in emergencies when other forces were not available.

Again, there is death and tragedy in war. You may not know this or it is all some kind of farce to you, to be used for political points.

My standards, of course, are very different, but they are by no means double.

No, most civilian contratctors do abide by the rules set, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY do, Blackwater don't, never have and never will, they are enemy mercenaries who get US soldiers killed every fucking day.

Ask TheFlyingPig about this and he'll tell you... everyone knows this.

 

[PJABBER]

You mean they were not there to rape female members of the military, to get high on Heroine and break conduct by killing innocents almost every day?

Been reading the Morning Star again, have you?

No shit? The protection of these mercenarys is a shame on the US and i'll be a shame as long as people in the US government protects them. They should be charged under the Afghan system, and hanged.

I have no fucking sympathy for psychopats that act under military justice law and can never be senteced by it, these retarded fucks need to be dead, yes, DEAD!

Good God man, I know it has got to be past last orders there now, or you have found yourself a 24-hour licensed establishment?

No, most civilian contratctors do abide by the rules set, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY do, Blackwater don't, never have and never will, they are enemy mercenaries who get US soldiers killed every fucking day.

Let me guess... Six pints of the cask conditioned and while the local chipper is calling your name your pockets are empty?

Ask TheFlyingPig about this and he'll tell you... everyone knows this.

Are you juiced up in Cambridge now?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Been reading the Morning Star again, have you?



Good God man, I know it has got to be past last orders there now, or you have found yourself a 24-hour licensed establishment?



Let me guess... Six pints of the cask conditioned and while the local chipper is calling your name your pockets are empty?



Are you juiced up in Cambridge now?

I wasn't joking when i said that you should ask TFB about it.

Of course, truth unknown to you will remain a lie, i've come to understand that this is how people like you function.

I'd pity you if you were worthy of my pity, you are not.

 

[PJABBER]

I wasn't joking when i said that you should ask TFB about it.

He is welcome to chime in.

Of course, truth unknown to you will remain a lie, i've come to understand that this is how people like you function.

Pretty much. I have spent too much time in the company of professional liars, LOL! :awe:

I'd pity you if you were worthy of my pity, you are not.

I am completely unworthy of pity.

On a serious note, I happen to know Erik Prince, though we are not close. I also happen to have some experience in running businesses like that, though on a much smaller scale as mine were never run in support of a war.

What I do know is that Prince, by running a world class training facility at Moyock and through his very close connection to the Navy special operations community, had unparalleled access to a very wide and deep selection of special operators and any number of other shooters. Many, if not most, of these guys I would have absolutely no problem with as team members.

What my experience offers to me is an understanding of the recruitment and management cycle over time. You get access to good people at the start when the manning requirement is minimal. The mid-point is when you have such demand that you start having to take in more marginal types. And the end, when the pros have pretty much moved on or are fully committed and the second string takes over more responsibilities than you would like, you start having problems and a need for much more stringent management oversight.

Prince was responding not only to the business opportunity but also to the call to support the war effort. He is a real patriot and extremely loyal and maybe he would have been better off saying no sometimes. But he is not wired that way.

Do you think Triple Canopy is operating much differently or much better? It just depends on the independent contractors they are able to recruit and that includes frontline supervisors and managers.

In any case, I suspect that Blackwater management was/is so closely tied to the CIA's Special Activities Division that you might as well go on a rant about them.

It is easy to be critical of small parts of the whole picture while remaining totally oblivious to the wide sweep of what is happening. That is what war stories are for.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Hmmm.

Blackwater was hired to protect the lives of Department of State employees, provide security for the logistics chain, etc. in a war zone. All of which they did quite effectively under the most extreme conditions and at the cost of a number of contractors' lives and none of those they were assigned to protect. As most of those who worked for Blackwater were ex-military or ex-LE you may have a special hatred for them. I do not.

Yes, you mean those mercs that rolled around, in at least several instances, just opened fire killing lots of innocent people? You mean those mercs?

You really don't see that having a civilian military force (that is a mercenary), who is outside the COC, and has basically zero accountability to the US military or the Iraqi government, and demonstrates it by being extremely liberal with their weapons, killing lots of innocent people, could possibly hurt the military trying to win the "hearts and minds" of the Iraqi people?

Really? Is your reality that skewed? Let me guess, they must have been all guilty of something anyway, and had it coming, right? Glad to see you don't care about innocent Iraqi's, great moral standard there.

I mean really, when in doubt, just blow everyone away, it's the American way, right? All the while the military is trying to win these people over. GG.

Wikileaks deliberately released reams of classified data that put the lives of many people at risk, including people that are innocent of anything but being in a war torn country. WikiLeaks seems to have done so to cause such harm that they thought they would stop the war. Of course they didn't, they just made it much harder to move the war to a peaceful conclusion.

Yeah, I do think one did something worthwhile and the other did not.

Proof?

As of last month, Bill Gates disagrees with you.

Link

"The initial assessment in no way discounts the risk to national security," Gates wrote. "However, the review to date has not revealed any sensitive intelligence sources and methods compromised by the disclosure."

And wikileaks did go through supposedly to redact peoples names, guess you forgot that part. And there is strong evidence that they tried to let the Pentagon help them in redacting the info, but the Pentagon refused. Guess you didn't mention that either, huh?

Of course, I am sure you defend the right of the government to knowingly lie to us, right? Because we have seen in this leak that they did. You are OK with that I guess?

And what about torture? We "stopped" torture, sp we handed people to the Iraqi's, knowing full well that they would be tortured. Guess you don't mind that either. Do you have any morals? I mean really, supporting covering up that we let them torture everyone is just such a great thing, right? More of that winning of "hearts and minds" I guess.

Good to know that we wouldn't know any of this, since you would prevent this from ever happening. I mean really, why should we know if the government is committing crimes and lying to us?

My standards, of course, are very different, but they are by no means double.

Yes, we can see your standards for what they are, as I have pointed out above. Double-standard FTL.