Want to try Water on my Q9550

[Infrnl]

Ok, Im back and am thinking of water again. For now just a simple loop for my Q9550 on a Gigabyte EP45-UD3P. Have a 4850 that I might try to add in later, but thats another day for now.
I havent really researched too much and think I might try to find deals in the for sale section to help on costs; we'll see. Can anyone/Aigo recommend a system for me please? I was reading through BTRY's thread and was wondering if I would need something similar or if the recommendations would be the same?
On another note; What exactly would be the differences between a MCP-355 pump and the D5 MCP-655? Also whats the difference between using a XSPC or EK pump top as appossed to a res top; would it be for saving space?
I think thats it for the moment till I get some suggestions. I currently do not have a case, but more than likely will be using something like a TJ-07 or the lian-li equivilent ( I think its the A70B or something like that).

Thanks

 

[aigomorla]

btry got 1 over the standard setup.

Thats about as best as you can get on a cpu loop only.. Only upgrades is a dual pump with bigger rad.

so yeah, thats a very good place to start if it fits your budget.

The 355 has more head pressure, also a better pump when using injectors.
The 655 is a overall great pump, with a lot of multi roles, can be used on injector blocks also.

The res/top for the 355 will make it outperform the 655, but with all the package, the 355+restop becomes a bit more expensive.

I dont recomend the EK res/top, it has very bad vortex issues.. XSPC Res/Top is a much better choice...

Ever think of Mountain Mods?

Check them out at MountainMods.com Awesome case company..

For the cpu block i would recomend you look at the D-tek Fusion, or the XSPC Rev.3 if you intend on adding a GPU block on your existing loop. Avoid injector blocks if your going to have more then 1 block on the system.

 

[Infrnl]

Thanks Aigo; I knew you'd show up, LOL.

So I should go 355 pump with XSPC Res/Top

Cant recall which rad you recommended BTRY; will have to double check.

Is it safe to run cpu and GPU on same loop; or is better to have them on separate loops?

Havent really looked at the mountain mod cases, but will check them out.

Also I dont know if it will change things any, But I may be going I7 here in the near future too. Havent decided if I will end up selling My secondary system and keeping the 9550 (Back on air for the wife) or to just build another system completely. Most likely will sell weaker system and give this cpu and mobo to the wife and sell her 9450 and asus P5K Dlx. kind of have to see how this turns out with new gigabyte board on the way.

I I do decide to go I7; will I need to buy anything upgraded now? ie; better rad, differnt cpu block?

Thanks again and will come back with other questions I think of

EDIT: Ok you recommended the swiftech MCR320; How is this rad compared to say a Black Ice III or TC 120.3? I noticed the TC price is very expensive.

Also what do you recommend for the rad fans?

 

[aigomorla]

that pump and top combo is very nice...

the MCR320 is what i like to call the best bang for the buck.
the BIPIII is not a bad rad either, the MCR320 is just a tad bit better because of dualpass.

Yes its safe to run a cpu + gpu on the same loop, but the gpu will add heat into your system, and when under load, can also effect your cpu temps..

Basically are you looking for silence? then throw everything on 1 loop with low restriction eq.

If your looking for performance, you need to split it up.


the I7 is a different core setting, and im getting very good scores right now with a Koolance-350.

But on the LGA775, cuz its dual die, i think the supreme would do better.

The difference im seeing is about 2C with the koolance being better on lga1366.

So is 2C really worth it to ya? because if it is, then you need to split up loops too.

 

[Infrnl]

Whats the point of a separate res? I have noticed a lot of people using cylinder style reservoirs; do they hold more fluid?

Ok. so at this moment in time I think I will be looking at:
MCP355 pump with XSPC res/top

I think I want to use some kind of compression fittings; Its just a much better look and that to me would be worth the money.

as for the cpu block; you recommended me the D-Tek or XSPC v3 blocks. You recommended BTRY EK Supreme; so I am confused.
I think the blocks that work with both 775 and 1366 are the ek supreme and Apogee GTZ. Which of all these would provide me with the best performance? Looks like avg cost of a good block is about $70.
I am thinking about the GTZ cause it also has good performance on the I7's if I recall correctly. This way i can use it now and with the I7 in the future. What are your thoughts?

as far as rads go; what are other good rads? I have noticed some in the FS section but not sure if they are any good. I have seen some TC rads, fesser, and another brand but cant recall; however even used they are still around 80-100. Might just go with the $50 swiftech rad.

I think for now I will do the loop for the cpu and add a second loop for the GPU later down the road as I might get crazy and do 2-3 cards; never know. I think single gpu with cpu might be ok, but if I ever get a second gpu; would be better for separate loop. also If I go I7 will definately want tahat on its own loop I would assume.

also I noticed for the fill tube port , they make them in a couple different material. does it matter which one I use? one is anodized aluminum and the other is something weird.

Thanks again

Edit: forgot to mention; I think I would like performance more than silence. my system now is pretty quiet and has always been tolerable in the past running 10 fans (80-90mm) Now am looking at strictly using 120mm fans. which reminds me; you didnt mention what good fans to use are. I will do some research on my own as well.

I found some guys using barbed fittings without clamps or anything. is this safe? cause that would be a good alternative to compression fittings?

Holy crap those Mtn Mod cases are EXPENSIVE, LOL. $100+ more than Lian-li or TJ07, but much more room to play wth. Maybe see if i can find one used.

 

[Cheezeit]

The point of those cylinder style reservoirs is to look cool. Holding more water= having more volume which does not mean better temps. That pump/res combo you picked is a good and proven choice.

I would reccomend you the Apogee GTZ because the mounting for it has already come out. D-tek is taking forever to get their 1336 plate out and produced, and the Supreme is an extremely restrictive block so I wouldn't pair it with VGA blocks.

For the rad, just get the swiftech 320. Now that you mentioned quiet, there really is no other choice that gives such great performance at low price and low noise.

Do not get aluminum fillport (will corrode if gets in contact with fluid), get brass or acetal.

Hope that helps.

 

[Infrnl]

Thanks for the input. I dont know if I read it right, but I am really not concerned with noise too much and would rather have performance. will also be running 2 separate loops i think. 1 for cpu and the other for GPU. Not sure if this makes a diff for your rad recommendation.

So lets see:
MCP355 with XSPC Res/Top
Apogee GTZ most likely
Swiftech 320 most likely
Acetal or brass filler port.

Making slow progress, but appreciate all the help so far

 

[aigomorla]

wheres your second pump and rad? :T

 

[Infrnl]

I thought we were just starting out with the cpu loop? lol

did you see my ? about people using barbed fittings without clamps? Is this safe? I definately do not want to use any clamps cause i really do not like the look, but compression fittinng seem bulky.

oh, also when I check out members case galleries on the 3 forums I belong to; it seems like most of them are using D5 655 pumps; why is this? I see very few running the 355 pumps.

 

[aigomorla]

355's used to have reliability issues..

this was back when they came with the orange/red impellers..

Liang fixed that issue, and so far they been great..
The fixed versions are the blue impeller. However people like me still want the orange impeller ones even tho there a gamble...

http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_0075.jpg
vs
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_0082.jpg

Both great pumps.... if you can afford the 355 package tho, id recomend that.

The 355 also has a little bit higher whine to it. Some people who are very senstive can hear it and it bothers them.

Others like me, cant hear it over fans (because my computer isnt right next to my hear), and also i cant complain about whinning noises.. i have 5 screaming raptors in raid. :X

in all seriousness, you need to have special hearing or super sensitive hearing to hear a DDC-3.2 about 3 feet away as long as you laid it on a breathable soft surface.

umm... i only own 1 d5 now. i had 3 at one point, and ended up giving them to my friends.

gillbot has the last one i owned, i personally hate them. :X
There big, and ugly, and if you try to tweek them, you need to use a bitspower kit, and then it looks like you took a mom's camry and riced it out. :X

 

[Infrnl]

Thanks aigo for the more in depth explanation. I also agree with it (655) being ugly and bulky.

So looks like we got the major parts figured out.

Apogee GTZ
MCP-355 w/ res/top (1now, 1 for future GPU loop)
MCR 320

So what about Fans? which do you recommend?

Also I should go with 7/16" masterkleer tubing correct?
fittings, still not sure about, but will research more along with tee, drain, filler port. But all the small stuff I really am not too worried about atm.

 

[Infrnl]

This is the sweetest cpu block I have ever seen: http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/aqcocuxtdido.html
or this one: http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/aqcocuhdfori.html

They are supposed to be really good; What do you think about this one over the GTZ? The only thing I wish was different is the blue plexi; wish it was clear.

I saw these in BlueAqua's builds on XS

So now I need to figure out if I want this one or stay with the GTZ?

EDIT: I was doing more research on the blocks and it seems that the GTZ and EK Supreme are on par with eachother and the AC XT DI block runs about 1.6C higher. The only other block thats recommended is the Koolance 350 which Aigo is using/testing. back to more research....lol

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

to help you reference Q9650 on H20

When you drill out your 1" holes for your hoses, I don't recommend a standard drill bit. Check this guys illustrated progress. At the bottom, you'll see the proper drill bit to make hose holes.

EDIT: 2 he uses a spade bit, makes a very clean cut hole... you don't want to see what a standard drill bit does... i'm so happy those Danger Den Fill ports are the same size and cover up the atrocity.

 

[Infrnl]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
to help you reference Q9650 on H20

When you drill out your 1" holes for your hoses, I don't recommend a standard drill bit. Check this guys illustrated progress. At the bottom, you'll see the proper drill bit to make hose holes.

EDIT: 2 he uses a spade bit, makes a very clean cut hole... you don't want to see what a standard drill bit does... i'm so happy those Danger Den Fill ports are the same size and cover up the atrocity.

LOL, Thanks for the info. Unfortunately I will not have a case for a little while so it will all be setup on my desk for a while. It may take me about a month to get all the parts as well.

Hows your progress coming? I will check out your links. Thanks again

Also what fans are you using? Im thinking about running Xigmatek fans for something different in color. I like the reddish orange-kind of like burnt orange.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Originally posted by: Infrnl

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
to help you reference Q9650 on H20

When you drill out your 1" holes for your hoses, I don't recommend a standard drill bit. Check this guys illustrated progress. At the bottom, you'll see the proper drill bit to make hose holes.

EDIT: 2 he uses a spade bit, makes a very clean cut hole... you don't want to see what a standard drill bit does... i'm so happy those Danger Den Fill ports are the same size and cover up the atrocity.

LOL, Thanks for the info. Unfortunately I will not have a case for a little while so it will all be setup on my desk for a while. It may take me about a month to get all the parts as well.

Hows your progress coming? I will check out your links. Thanks again

Also what fans are you using? Im thinking about running Xigmatek fans for something different in color. I like the reddish orange-kind of like burnt orange.

I must warn you, the case drilling is an EXTREMELY messy process. I had shavings to clean up ...for 3-4hrs. Make sure you do it in the garage or at your friends house cause you don't want to track that stuff into your home. But the progress came to a halt the other day when I had my case open, my motherboard out of the box. Everything wide open on the ground when my roof pissed bulls eye where everything was laying. I think it's safe to say, FUCKING RAIN!!! I had to evacuate the entire back room where I have all my investments. 850$ later, my roof has been properly ice-guarded, moddified roll roofing and, then the 3rd layer of roll roofing... and on top of it I missed out on a Sunday work call-in that gave us double time at 16hrs so I REALLY missed out on some money on top of spending a whole bunch... lol, what an experience, water on my water cooling rig: so ironic. But it'll be up an running in a matter of months. This 8400 is keeping my occupied for now.

I just looked for my old receipts and couldn't find them for the fans... I'm not sure on the fans but I had to add a radiator/fan shroud.

Keep us up to date!

BTRY B 529th FA BN

 

[Infrnl]

I will; waiting to hear back from aigo on my thoughts. also exploring prices to see where I can get all the parts the cheapest and will probably start ordering slowly next week.

Work for me has been really slow the past couple of weeks with the holidays, but should pick back up in the next couple of weeks. also waiting on some money from my side business.

definately will keep you posted on any progress.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Jabtech
FrozenCPU
DangerDen
Petrastechshop
Mountainmods

are a few to start off with

Danger Den is a cool place. You don't have to create an account to order, you just do it on the fly

 

[Infrnl]

thanks, I have checked out most of those, but will also check out DD's site.

I was thinking about a Mountain Mod case, but damn they are expensive and huge/square. But offer a lot more room to work with than any other case.

So as of now on my list for cases is Lian-Li, Silverstone TJ-07, Mountain Mod

 

[aigomorla]

Aqua Cuplex DI XT:
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_0145.jpg

very pretty block... the one on the right tho is better.

if you have a relatively large budget, id recomend the koolance-350.

Thats the current block i have on my i7.

The GTZ is a great block tho, i havent gone around to do any testing..

as for barbs, i recomend fatboy g1/4 1/2OD barbs.

 

[Infrnl]

LOL, I really dont have a budget; just want to make sure I pick all the right parts the first time; so i dont have to do it all over again' or to be unhappy with the results. I guess though in a sence i have kind of a budget; I dont want to spend more than neccesary, lol. Looks like a good price point for most beginners is in the $3-400 range for a single loop. which is crazy because I dont even like to pay more than $50 for a good HSF.

The main reason for going water is to try something different and to see if water will really keep everything cool enough to actually allow me to get a decent gain in my overclocks, but also do not want to go overboard.
I think it is also wise to try to get parts that will last a long time as this technology changes too fast and I dont want to be buying new blocks every 6 months. Thats whats nice about HSF. you buy 1 and it will last you years. for water, if you cool your gpu and get a full block; its only good for a few months till you upgrade to a better card.

So I guess when and if I cool my gpu, NB or whatever; I will have to look at more of a universal like blocks.

I am going to research the coolance 350 more since I have heard it is a very good block; especially for I7. Im still in a toss up between the GTZ, Supreme, and 350.
I really like the looks of the Cuplex DI, but it runs a little hotter than the other above. I also like the looks of the Supreme in plexi ver. but looks arent everything, just half of it, lol.

I will offline for a couple of days as Im a little upset with a pm I got from Gillbot. Never had any problems; then after a year or whatever its been ; I get this message. anyway; its no big deal, just disturbing.

Take it easy and will return with my thoughts on my water setup; really want to start ordering.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Infrnl
I am going to research the coolance 350 more since I have heard it is a very good block; especially for I7. Im still in a toss up between the GTZ, Supreme, and 350.

:X

and almost everything you find will be from me.

Naekuh is my other alas.

 

[Infrnl]

Aigo; Im getting MAD at you; LOL j/k
The more I research and see your system and others; makes me want to go crazy. Gives me too many ideas.

I sent you a PM over at XS with some questions about building my system.

Why are you running dual pumps? is that just on 1 loop. I need so much help now after doing more research. I was thinking of doing something like that.

I also now want to go ahead and put water on everything. CPU, GPU, NB, SB, Mosfets. So will have to plan out for 2 loops and research all the blocks available.
Was thinking of going with the K-350 and browsed through Koolance's site and found the chipset/mosfet blocks; not sure how good they are. I know everyone else makes them too; will do research.

Does this mean Im starting to get Aigo'd. This is probably why I have never got into water. But I think it will be very fun.

will post back with more ?'s and findings

 

[Gillbot]

Originally posted by: Infrnl
Aigo; Im getting MAD at you; LOL j/k
The more I research and see your system and others; makes me want to go crazy. Gives me too many ideas.

I sent you a PM over at XS with some questions about building my system.

Why are you running dual pumps? is that just on 1 loop. I need so much help now after doing more research. I was thinking of doing something like that.

I also now want to go ahead and put water on everything. CPU, GPU, NB, SB, Mosfets. So will have to plan out for 2 loops and research all the blocks available.
Was thinking of going with the K-350 and browsed through Koolance's site and found the chipset/mosfet blocks; not sure how good they are. I know everyone else makes them too; will do research.

Does this mean Im starting to get Aigo'd. This is probably why I have never got into water. But I think it will be very fun.

will post back with more ?'s and findings

You sir have just gotten AIGO'ED!

 

[daw123]

Originally posted by: Gillbot

Originally posted by: Infrnl
Aigo; Im getting MAD at you; LOL j/k
The more I research and see your system and others; makes me want to go crazy. Gives me too many ideas.

I sent you a PM over at XS with some questions about building my system.

Why are you running dual pumps? is that just on 1 loop. I need so much help now after doing more research. I was thinking of doing something like that.

I also now want to go ahead and put water on everything. CPU, GPU, NB, SB, Mosfets. So will have to plan out for 2 loops and research all the blocks available.
Was thinking of going with the K-350 and browsed through Koolance's site and found the chipset/mosfet blocks; not sure how good they are. I know everyone else makes them too; will do research.

Does this mean Im starting to get Aigo'd. This is probably why I have never got into water. But I think it will be very fun.

will post back with more ?'s and findings

You sir have just gotten AIGO'ED!

I happens to us all eventually

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Are you making sure you are running one type of material for your RAD and Blocks?