Walmart's Project Impact: A Move to Crush Competition

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bctbct

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Originally posted by: blackangst1


Well, here's my view. And maybe its simplistic. Like it or not, we are in a world economy now. If I manufactured widgets at a cost of $2.00, and a company like WalMart approached me and suggested I move operations, I would look into it. If I found I could have the same widget made in Mexico for a net cost of $1.65, added to a contract from the largest retailer in the world to market my widget, you bet your ass I would do it.

Thats fine as long as you are willing to bet your ass your employer wont replace you with a cheaper worker when we import them. Think someone cant do your job for less for a chance at the "American Dream"

We are in the early stages of the "world economy"

 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: bctbct
Originally posted by: blackangst1


Well, here's my view. And maybe its simplistic. Like it or not, we are in a world economy now. If I manufactured widgets at a cost of $2.00, and a company like WalMart approached me and suggested I move operations, I would look into it. If I found I could have the same widget made in Mexico for a net cost of $1.65, added to a contract from the largest retailer in the world to market my widget, you bet your ass I would do it.

Thats fine as long as you are willing to bet your ass your employer wont replace you with a cheaper worker when we import them. Think someone cant do your job for less for a chance at the "American Dream"

We are in the early stages of the "world economy"

And being in the business Im in, I could be replaced tomorrow. And if it happens, I'll move. But thats just me. I dont give it much thought.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: bctbct
Originally posted by: blackangst1


Well, here's my view. And maybe its simplistic. Like it or not, we are in a world economy now. If I manufactured widgets at a cost of $2.00, and a company like WalMart approached me and suggested I move operations, I would look into it. If I found I could have the same widget made in Mexico for a net cost of $1.65, added to a contract from the largest retailer in the world to market my widget, you bet your ass I would do it.

Thats fine as long as you are willing to bet your ass your employer wont replace you with a cheaper worker when we import them. Think someone cant do your job for less for a chance at the "American Dream"

We are in the early stages of the "world economy"

And being in the business Im in, I could be replaced tomorrow. And if it happens, I'll move. But thats just me. I dont give it much thought.

I've said that for years....until it actually started happening to me. I've become a hypocrite very quickly in that regard.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: bctbct
Originally posted by: blackangst1


Well, here's my view. And maybe its simplistic. Like it or not, we are in a world economy now. If I manufactured widgets at a cost of $2.00, and a company like WalMart approached me and suggested I move operations, I would look into it. If I found I could have the same widget made in Mexico for a net cost of $1.65, added to a contract from the largest retailer in the world to market my widget, you bet your ass I would do it.

Thats fine as long as you are willing to bet your ass your employer wont replace you with a cheaper worker when we import them. Think someone cant do your job for less for a chance at the "American Dream"

We are in the early stages of the "world economy"

And being in the business Im in, I could be replaced tomorrow. And if it happens, I'll move. But thats just me. I dont give it much thought.

I've said that for years....until it actually started happening to me. I've become a hypocrite very quickly in that regard.

Not me lol I keep begging my director to ship me to one of our offices in Asia > < I also have a headhunter I keep in contact with in Taiwan and Manila hehe
 

Modelworks

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Originally posted by: blackangst1


Model, are you suggesting the "buy in bulk and pay less per unit" concept is...bullying?



Walmart doesn't shop for lower prices like smaller retailers, they use their dominance in the market to threaten manufacturers with bankruptcy. Same as paying the local criminal for protection to keep selling.
 

heyheybooboo

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W A L M A R T - S U C K S

Frontline's Is Wal-Mart Good for America?

In Circleville, Ohio, population 13,000, the local RCA television-manufacturing plant was once a source of good jobs with good pay and benefits. But in late 2003, RCA's owner, Thomson Consumer Electronics, lost a sizeable portion of its production orders and six months later shut the plant down, throwing 1,000 people out of work.

Thomson's jobs have moved to China, where cheap labor manufactures what the American consumer desires -- from clothing to electronics -- and can buy at "everyday low prices" at the local Wal-Mart .....

To understand the secret of Wal-Mart's success, Smith travels from the company's headquarters in Bentonville, Ark., to their global procurement center in Shenzhen, China, where several hundred employees work to keep the company's import pipeline running smoothly. Of Wal-Mart's 6,000 global suppliers, experts estimate that as many as 80 percent are based in China .....

When trade agreements were signed between the U.S. and China in the 1990s, bringing China into the World Trade Organization, American political and business leaders embraced the idea. China's 1.2 billion people were viewed as an enormous untapped market for American-made goods. The reality, experts say, is the opposite. China's exports to the U.S. have skyrocketed.

[Update: Since this program first aired in 2004, Wal-Mart's sales have increased 30%, approaching $325 billion for 2006. And the U.S. trade deficit with China has nearly doubled, expected to hit $230 billion in 2006.]

At a salary of only 50 cents an hour or $100 a month, Chinese labor is an unbeatable bargain for international business. And the Chinese government is doing everything it can to be sure the country's infrastructure supports the export business. Ten years ago Shenzhen's main port did not exist. Today it's on the verge of becoming the third busiest port in the world .....

"If people were only consumers, buying things at lower prices would be just good. But people also are workers who need to earn a decent standard of living," says economist Larry Mishel of the Economic Policy Institute. "The dynamics that create lower prices at Wal-Mart and other places are also undercutting the ability of many, many workers to earn decent wages and benefits and have a stable life." .....

This is little consolation to the unemployed workers back in Circleville, Ohio. Steve Ratcliff, a long-time worker at the Thomson plant puts it simply: "If you want these low prices, then you go buy your products from Wal-Mart. But what does that actually do for this country? It's putting people out of work. And it's lowering our standard of living. That's the bottom line."

Ironically, for Ratcliff and his former colleagues, there are new jobs coming to town. In a patch of farmland right next to the vacant Thomson plant, Wal-Mart has broken ground on one of its new Supercenters. But the Wal-Mart jobs will represent a steep cut in pay from the $15 to $16 an hour workers made at Thomson, and a far cry from the pension, health care, and job security benefits that have long been the norm in manufacturing.



 

rudder

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Originally posted by: brandonbull
Do they actually sell anything made in the USA? Nothing but Chinese junk.

Maybe so... but as a consumer it is my decision on whether to buy that chinese junk or not.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: Modelworks
Walmart sells a lot of junk. I don't shop there anymore after seeing what they have done to manufacturers to get them to sell their products.

Ditto
 

babylon5

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
bought 5 dozen eggs for 5.82 the other day. Love walmart prices hate walmart staff and shoppers

I have similar experience. Not all of their staffs are horrible, but the few that are, are quite terrible and deserve to work at Walmart for the rest of their lives lol.

 

sapiens74

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Walmart sells a lot of junk. I don't shop there anymore after seeing what they have done to manufacturers to get them to sell their products.

Ditto

Ditto x2


I hate shopping there


I pay more for stuff just not to shop there

I hate Kmart too though there aren't much better

Target it much nicer :)
 

brandonbull

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Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: brandonbull
Do they actually sell anything made in the USA? Nothing but Chinese junk.

Maybe so... but as a consumer it is my decision on whether to buy that chinese junk or not.

And I don't. I would like to thank Slick Willy for his dealings w/ China.

 

bctbct

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
bought 5 dozen eggs for 5.82 the other day. Love walmart prices hate walmart staff and shoppers

Say Walmart made 1.01 off that purchase and you saved .25 over a grocery store.

Add in how much you pay in tax subsidies to the richest retailer in the world, the cost of public support for low paid walmart workers, even the lower sales tax collected at the sale point is costing you money in local, state and federal taxes.

Did you really save? Walmart took their profit off the top .76

I know these numbers are hypothetical, but did you really save anything at all?

 

TruePaige

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Originally posted by: bctbct
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
bought 5 dozen eggs for 5.82 the other day. Love walmart prices hate walmart staff and shoppers

Say Walmart made 1.01 off that purchase and you saved .25 over a grocery store.

Add in how much you pay in tax subsidies to the richest retailer in the world, the cost of public support for low paid walmart workers, even the lower sales tax collected at the sale point is costing you money in local, state and federal taxes.

Did you really save? Walmart took their profit off the top .76

I know these numbers are hypothetical, but did you really save anything at all?

Yes, yes he did.

Until society as a whole is willing to stop outsourcing every damn thing they can make cheaper, these little "mini-stands" are like pissing in the ocean.

edit: P.S. that won't happen, just like healthcare, our governments are in the corporate pocket.
 

woodie1

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If people want to buy the cheap crap at wally world let them. If you don't want to buy from wally world then don't. If people didn't like the cheap crap then wally would go out of business or stock better items. They force others to keep their prices low too.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
bought 5 dozen eggs for 5.82 the other day. Love walmart prices hate walmart staff and shoppers

Cheaper at Costco and they treat their people much better. I think I paid a low $2.xx for 3 dozen.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
bought 5 dozen eggs for 5.82 the other day. Love walmart prices hate walmart staff and shoppers

Cheaper at Costco and they treat their people much better. I think I paid a low $2.xx for 3 dozen.

Eggs are not a good example. Grade A Large eggs are $0.98 per dozen every day at Kroger (Lexington, KY). With that said, unless you buy the "sales" or store brands, it's hard to beat Walmart on general pricing.
 

bctbct

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
bought 5 dozen eggs for 5.82 the other day. Love walmart prices hate walmart staff and shoppers

Cheaper at Costco and they treat their people much better. I think I paid a low $2.xx for 3 dozen.

Eggs are not a good example. Grade A Large eggs are $0.98 per dozen every day at Kroger (Lexington, KY). With that said, unless you buy the "sales" or store brands, it's hard to beat Walmart on general pricing.


In general they are not competitive on electronics, eggs dont seem to be any cheaper either. Its been shown many times if you buy 100 random items you save very little if any on groceries.

Although their ads tell us they save the average family like 3k a year iirc. :)
 

TruePaige

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Originally posted by: bctbct
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
bought 5 dozen eggs for 5.82 the other day. Love walmart prices hate walmart staff and shoppers

Cheaper at Costco and they treat their people much better. I think I paid a low $2.xx for 3 dozen.

Eggs are not a good example. Grade A Large eggs are $0.98 per dozen every day at Kroger (Lexington, KY). With that said, unless you buy the "sales" or store brands, it's hard to beat Walmart on general pricing.


In general they are not competitive on electronics, eggs dont seem to be any cheaper either. Its been shown many times if you buy 100 random items you save very little if any on groceries.

Although their ads tell us they save the average family like 3k a year iirc. :)

I go to Wal-Mart if I need Groceries + other small stuff. WAY cheaper than food lion.

If I need good, fresh groceries, or just groceries and want a nicer store that is quicker, or a good premade meal for lunch time, I go to Martins.

Hannaford is still the best supermarket on the planet though in my opinion. Shaws and Martins and runner up.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
bought 5 dozen eggs for 5.82 the other day. Love walmart prices hate walmart staff and shoppers

Cheaper at Costco and they treat their people much better. I think I paid a low $2.xx for 3 dozen.

costco

Costco employees have filed a unpaid wages lawsuit in California stating the company had repeatedly violated the state?s wage and labor law. Costco faces allegations similar to those Tennessee Law Blog reported last year in the nationwide unpaid overtime lawsuits against Wal-Mart stores. Specifically, Costco has allegedly required employees to work off the clock by locking employees in the store after their shifts and not paying them for this time or overtime as required under state employment laws.

Unlike earlier Wal-Mart lawsuits, Costco has apparently claimed that keeping employees after they clocked out was for security reasons. Apparently managers forced employees to remain after their shifts while they performed closing tasks, such as removing valuables from display cases and emptying cash registers. Costco employees were unpaid for this time off-the-clock during which they were not permitted to leave



oops maybe they don't treat them any better. well at least they treat locals better right?

forbes


WASHINGTON - When Costco wants land for a new warehouse store, it goes to local property owners to make a deal, right? Not necessarily. A new study by the Institute for Justice, a libertarian public-interest law firm in Washington, D.C., details more than 10,000 recent cases in which state and local governments have condemned or threatened to condemn property to obtain land for private parties such as Costco.

This might come as a surprise, given the U.S. Constitution's requirement that any land seized by government be for "public use" and taken only with "just compensation." But over the years, judges and politicians have come to define "public use" more and more broadly, so that today it serves to limit government seizures hardly at all.



ahh shit. nevermind.


 

dawp

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I'm glad there is a new Target under constuction a few hundred yards from walmart. I find that the meats at Hy-Vee are better quality and they have an actual meat counter where I can talk to the butcher if I want to. I just don't like shopping at walmart, their customers just seem a bit trashier than other stores. I will never buy clothes from walmart as the few times i did in the past, they just fell apart. just no quality control.
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: brandonbull
Do they actually sell anything made in the USA? Nothing but Chinese junk.

last I checked alot of stuff formerly made in the USA wasn't that great either...Chinese goods can be good, its all about how much you pay for said goods and who/what brand you buy from.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: dawp
I'm glad there is a new Target under constuction a few hundred yards from walmart. I find that the meats at Hy-Vee are better quality and they have an actual meat counter where I can talk to the butcher if I want to. I just don't like shopping at walmart, their customers just seem a bit trashier than other stores. I will never buy clothes from walmart as the few times i did in the past, they just fell apart. just no quality control.
This. At least Target carries name brands.