you call that proof? I mean, how much does costco (or Target, mom and pop) spend on its employees (fringe rate) vs. Wal-Mart. ?
There is also nothing on that list that walmart doesn't provide as well.
In a particular area, what do wages look like at WM vs. Costco, Target Mom and Pop?
There is also nothing on that list that walmart doesn't provide as well.
In a particular area, what do wages look like at WM vs. Costco, Target Mom and Pop?
Why do I have to do your research for you?
Business Week Online
So let's re-cap: Costco workers make 40% more than Wal-Mart workers. Costco shells out thousands of $ more per year for beneifts. WTF more do you want to know? Go compare your benefits to the Costco benefits package I linked above.
Business Week Online
So let's re-cap: Costco workers make 40% more than Wal-Mart workers. Costco shells out thousands of $ more per year for beneifts. WTF more do you want to know? Go compare your benefits to the Costco benefits package I linked above.
LOL! The source of the info .... teamsters .... hmmm nice unbiased source.
Do the wage numbers include all Sam's and All Costco? I think it would be a little more accurate to look at Costco vs. Sams in a particular region (since Sam's is much larger than costco and employs more people in more areas, likely driving that average wage figure lower).
That is a great statement. Where's the beef? Words without proof are just rhetoric.
I already did, there's nothing costco does that WM doesn't.
Do the wage numbers include all Sam's and All Costco? I think it would be a little more accurate to look at Costco vs. Sams in a particular region (since Sam's is much larger than costco and employs more people in more areas, likely driving that average wage figure lower).
That is a great statement. Where's the beef? Words without proof are just rhetoric.
I already did, there's nothing costco does that WM doesn't.
Correct, you are uniformed. The taking of private land for public use is provided for in the constitution.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment05/14.html
Perhaps you could help me understand your position...do you put the interests of Walmart over the constitutional and democratically expressed right of US citizens to determine what is built in their town?
Corporatism isn't libertarianism.
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Stupid question...
If the vast majority of people don't want Walmart in their city, wouldn't building the store hurt Walmart more? I mean investing all that money putting the store up, stocking it and training people...then having nobody shop there?
Of course the smaller businesses are going to be against more competition because the consumer has more power over the products they buy than the store owners do.
Let them build the Walmart, if *most* people don't want it there, then people will make that desicion for themselves. Why do these grandstanding idiots feel they know what's best for me?
Besides...do you guys have proof the small business owners give benefits and high wages to their employees? In my experience they use student labour (less than minimum wage).
If the vast majority of people don't want Walmart in their city, wouldn't building the store hurt Walmart more? I mean investing all that money putting the store up, stocking it and training people...then having nobody shop there?
Of course the smaller businesses are going to be against more competition because the consumer has more power over the products they buy than the store owners do.
Let them build the Walmart, if *most* people don't want it there, then people will make that desicion for themselves. Why do these grandstanding idiots feel they know what's best for me?
Besides...do you guys have proof the small business owners give benefits and high wages to their employees? In my experience they use student labour (less than minimum wage).
No, you are the idiot. They have determined what is best for them and what is best for you only if you live there. This is democracy in action through the legislature at the city level. You don't like it, move or get enough people to vote to change what is the popular wish. Basically it's you who thinks like a Nazi because it's you who has the elite notion that what you want should be the rule. Try not to be so sociopath and immature. The city drew up careful plans with a 60000 sq foot max and WalGod thinks they have a divine right to make it 100000 because that suite them. The city said no, offered to take the property back, but WalScum thinks they can tell Hercules where to go.
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A small number of "City Council" members do not know what is best for everybody. They are likely biased from the small business owners who do not feel they can differentiate their products or services enough to compete. This is no different than a small number of politicians on capital hill listening to big-tobacco or big-pharma. The only way to know how people really feel is giving them the choice, not getting a few politicans together to decide
I am not a "Nazi", I advocate freedom, choice and liberty...you feel our choices should be made for us by city council. The property issue you are completely correct, just the decision not to let walmart into the community is wrong.
Originally posted by: Stunt
A small number of "City Council" members do not know what is best for everybody. They are likely biased from the small business owners who do not feel they can differentiate their products or services enough to compete. This is no different than a small number of politicians on capital hill listening to big-tobacco or big-pharma. The only way to know how people really feel is giving them the choice, not getting a few politicans together to decide
I am not a "Nazi", I advocate freedom, choice and liberty...you feel our choices should be made for us by city council. The property issue you are completely correct, just the decision not to let walmart into the community is wrong.
Too bad for Walmart. I'm sure they have some big guns behind them, but they are subject to the laws just like the rest of us. The City Council is elected to make these kind of decisions and if the people don't like it then they can elect someone else.
Originally posted by: Stunt
A small number of "City Council" members do not know what is best for everybody. They are likely biased from the small business owners who do not feel they can differentiate their products or services enough to compete. This is no different than a small number of politicians on capital hill listening to big-tobacco or big-pharma. The only way to know how people really feel is giving them the choice, not getting a few politicans together to decide
I am not a "Nazi", I advocate freedom, choice and liberty...you feel our choices should be made for us by city council. The property issue you are completely correct, just the decision not to let walmart into the community is wrong.
In most of these communities, they're not blocking Wal-Mart specifically, they're simply capping max SF under their zoning laws for the retail areas in question. At that stage, it blocks every "big box" store, not only Wal-Mart.
Why don't they just open a Wal-Mart Jr?
In this case, the city council took a pretty radical action in using eminent domain, however if the citizens support it and the council takes action, I guess everyone who matters is in agreement.
I agree with you 100%. I love Costco. It's a shame so many people abuse their return policy though.
The city sold WalMart the land. They were welcome at 60, 000 ft but they want 100, 000 and they were told no and with the option of returning the property for what they paid. But they don't want to give it back. Your cynicism as to the representativeness of an elected body, especially a local one, appealing though it may be to you, is not objective or based on personal knowledge. Why not assume these people are doing what the people of the city want. They spent a great deal of time and energy drafting a very detailed plan of what they wanted for their town. It is WalMart who thinks they know better and is elitist and way out of line.Originally posted by: Stunt
A small number of "City Council" members do not know what is best for everybody. They are likely biased from the small business owners who do not feel they can differentiate their products or services enough to compete. This is no different than a small number of politicians on capital hill listening to big-tobacco or big-pharma. The only way to know how people really feel is giving them the choice, not getting a few politicans together to decide
I am not a "Nazi", I advocate freedom, choice and liberty...you feel our choices should be made for us by city council. The property issue you are completely correct, just the decision not to let walmart into the community is wrong.
I know you aren't a Nazi, but you took the Nazi side on this.
Originally posted by: Stunt
A small number of "City Council" members do not know what is best for everybody. They are likely biased from the small business owners who do not feel they can differentiate their products or services enough to compete. This is no different than a small number of politicians on capital hill listening to big-tobacco or big-pharma. The only way to know how people really feel is giving them the choice, not getting a few politicans together to decide
I am not a "Nazi", I advocate freedom, choice and liberty...you feel our choices should be made for us by city council. The property issue you are completely correct, just the decision not to let walmart into the community is wrong.
Why are you so hell bent on Walmart having it's way over the will of the town people?
You're right, you may not be a "Nazi" but you are certainly a Corporate Whore.
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
I wonder what types of businesses are considered acceptable by communities of CPA/magicians
They were probably hoping for an IKEA, and its oh so trendy Eurotrash furniture.
Nope there is already a HUGE one just down the raod in Emeryville.
To add more deail to moonies' post, there are already 11 Walmarts within 30 miles of Hercules. Yes, i said ELEVEN! WTF?! I live in Cambridge (Mass) and i bet there arent 11 grocery stores within 30 miles...
Do you work at walmart or do you go by what magazines and SI groups say?
I DO work for them and there are a few things you should know before you judge so harshly. Walmart does not 'underpay' their staff, they pay the market. I make more at Walmart then I was offered at Sears, BestBuy, Zellers, SuperStore, Target, ect. I am offered stock purchase with 15% company add on, i get benefits and though they are not great, they are not horrible, I get 10% discount, which may not seem like much, but considering prices are lower then anyone else, I dont complain. Every Year we are entitled to a bonus of total sales in the store of which mine this year was almost 2k. (Nice cheque) and I also get a retirement plan in my name that is built by the company to do with what I please.
Walmart is no worse then anyother of the big box companies as far as I am concerned, and I work for them...
Sorry, but working at Wal-Mart (probably at the management level) doesn't negate the fact that Costco pays its employees 40% more and spends thousands more per year on each employee's benefits package. There's simply no denying that Costco is an employee-centric company and Wal-Mart is not.
Still don't believe it? Digest these facts:
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Hmm, that is funny, I have a freind who recently became employed at costco.
He makes about $0.25 cents more then our starting wage...and his benefits are the same...
He makes about $0.25 cents more then our starting wage...and his benefits are the same...
Then go to the quoted sourceand see what it really says.
No mention of "even excluding the 25 percent of Wal-Mart workers who are low-paid part-timers. "
An average wage really is not accurate when you compare one company with 30% more employees spread across different areas of the country. As I said, if you want accuracy, you'll compare wages between Costco and Sam's in a particular geographic area. That is apples to apples, not apples to oranges.
See any mention of "The yearly employer contributions to health care -- Costco, $5,735; Wal-Mart, $3,500. Of Costco employees, 82 percent are covered by the health plan; Wal-Mart, 47 percent. " in the quoted piece? Where did it come from?
Communities have a right to establish building codes in an effort to promote the kind of community that is right for them. Every town does not necessarily need a Wal-mart.
One man's pedatory pricing is another man's competition. There is a fine line between competition and Monopoly. If you compared Walmart to a company like Microsoft, you might find some parallels. If Walmart was percieved as becoming a monopoly they could be considered as breaking the law, and fall under the same legislation as Microsoft. Even if Walmart is not considered as a Monopoly, their business could result in a predatory business environment that could cause a Monopoly, whether it is a natural monopoly or it is a company that tries to control many sectors of the market, it could be considered t be illegal because it results in a monopoly. From an outsiders point of view if the result is one company takes over a market, then it is considered predatory and anti-competitive whether by design or by the lack of a real competitor.
One man's pedatory pricing is another man's competition. There is a fine line between competition and Monopoly. If you compared Walmart to a company like Microsoft, you might find some parallels. If Walmart was percieved as becoming a monopoly they could be considered as breaking the law, and fall under the same legislation as Microsoft. Even if Walmart is not considered as a Monopoly, their business could result in a predatory business environment that could cause a Monopoly, whether it is a natural monopoly or it is a company that tries to control many sectors of the market, it could be considered t be illegal because it results in a monopoly. From an outsiders point of view if the result is one company takes over a market, then it is considered predatory and anti-competitive whether by design or by the lack of a real competitor.
Walmart is nowhere near a monopoly. You've got Target, SuperValu stores, a host of grocery stores, Costco, Walgreens, CVS, Rite Aid, etc. etc. etc. Any talk of monopoly is ludacris.
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And over time, if Costco has a better business model that provides the same goods and services while also promoting an employee friendly public relations image, they will ultimately expand while Walmart will continue to face hurdles such as the scenario in Hercules.
This will cause Walmart to revisit their business practices, or risk losing market share in the high volume/low cost market.
And capitalism once again prevails.
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