Walmart vs Hercules

Moonbeam

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The Hercules [California] City Council voted unanimously Tuesday night to take the unprecedented step of using eminent domain to prevent Wal-Mart from building a big-box store on a 17-acre lot near the city's waterfront.

The vote caused most of the 300 people who had packed Hercules City Hall for the meeting to break out in cheers and applause.

"The city of Hercules is very unique. People from the outside have to understand that,'' said Hercules Vice Mayor Ed Balico just before the vote.

During a 90-minute public comment period that preceded the vote, nearly everyone who spoke urged the council to fight Wal-Mart.

"Throw the bums out," Hercules resident Steve Kirby said at the podium of Wal-Mart. "Wal-Mart will never understand what we want."

Another resident, Anita Roger-Fields, expressed concern for small businesses in the city, saying they could be driven out of business by the discount store. "(Wal-Mart is) the worst thing that could happen to our community. They want to crush the competition."

The vote is the latest twist in a battle between the city and the discount-store chain, which wants to build a store near the city's historic waterfront. The city contends Wal-Mart's plan to build a discount store does not fit with its plans to develop the waterfront into a pedestrian-oriented village with high-end shops and homes.

"I'm elated. This is the result we wanted. The fact that it was unanimous is wonderful. Our City Council really came through," said Brenda Smith Johnson, an information technology vice president with JP Morgan Chase in San Francisco who moved to Hercules in 1992. "I know this is going to be a hard fight but we're up to it."

Some residents were infuriated that Wal-Mart had warned that if the City Council voted for eminent domain, the move would cost the city millions.

"I don't like to be threatened and they threatened my community,'' Bob Steiner, a certified public accountant and magician who lives in Hercules, said after the vote.

Only about four people spoke in favor of Wal-Mart. "The city has no guarantees that anybody is going to develop the property if they take it away from Wal-Mart," said Hercules resident Andre Wilson.

The vote allows the city to begin proceedings to acquire Wal-Mart's property by force to achieve its redevelopment goals.

Following the vote, Wal-Mart spokesman Kevin Loscotoff said Wal-Mart will evaluate the situation and decide what to do next.

The city was once a company town, home to a dynamite plant that during World War I was the nation's leading producer of TNT, and some turn-of-the-century homes that used to house company officials have been restored. The city plans to continue developing land along the waterfront to fit its vision.

"Why should we have to sell ourselves short when we have this great waterfront," Hercules resident Valerie Wilgus said following the vote.

Some residents have said they would prefer grocery stores such as Whole Foods, Trader Joe's or Andronico's, and specialty shops like those in Berkeley's swank Fourth Street district.

The vote comes after Wal-Mart rejected a city offer to buy its property earlier this year.

Officials from the nation's largest retailer have said they are determined to open a store on the company's 17 acres overlooking San Pablo Bay. In a letter to the city on Tuesday, Wal-Mart attorneys argued that eminent domain was unnecessary because the company had tailored its project to meet the community's desires, downsizing the proposed store and garden center from 167,000 square feet to roughly 100,000 square feet and designing the shopping center to have "a very attractive, village-like appearance.''

But critics countered that Wal-Mart's latest plan was still more than 50 percent larger than a store plan approved for the site before the retail giant bought the property.

The city was the first in the state to adopt a redevelopment code that prescribes the design of streets, building dimensions and some architectural requirements, such as front porches. A key part of the plan called for a waterfront village with high-density housing and shops, a shoreline park, a train station, bus service and even a ferry stop.


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San Francisco Chronicle: www.sfgate.com

Sweet, no?
 

Starbuck1975

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"I don't like to be threatened and they threatened my community,'' Bob Steiner, a certified public accountant and magician who lives in Hercules, said after the vote.
I wonder what types of businesses are considered acceptable by communities of CPA/magicians :D

They were probably hoping for an IKEA, and its oh so trendy Eurotrash furniture.
 

Starbuck1975

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No it's Wally World getting their asses handed to them imminently.
That you gain satisfaction from the potential screwing over of a corporation is disturbing...capitalism and a highly efficient business model is what made Wallmart successful.

Regardless, this is hardly a pebble in the road for Walmart...let the town of Hercules have its victory...Walmart can just build another store the next town over, that I am sure some of these residents will end up shopping at once they smell the sweet aroma of rock bottom prices.

 

Genx87

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I dont like my neighbor, think I will get the city to kick the bum out by taking his property.

This will fail in the court system and rightly so unless they can provide a reason for the city taking the land for public use.

On top of that these small business owners must not have faith in their fellow citizen to not buy from Walmart and are using the strong arm of the govt to supress the free market.

I find it funny so many spoke out against Walmart when you know they would be the first in line to get the best deal.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
No it's Wally World getting their asses handed to them imminently.
That you gain satisfaction from the potential screwing over of a corporation is disturbing...capitalism and a highly efficient business model is what made Wallmart successful.

Regardless, this is hardly a pebble in the road for Walmart...let the town of Hercules have its victory...Walmart can just build another store the next town over, that I am sure some of these residents will end up shopping at once they smell the sweet aroma of rock bottom prices.

Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont like my neighbor, think I will get the city to kick the bum out by taking his property.

This will fail in the court system and rightly so unless they can provide a reason for the city taking the land for public use.

On top of that these small business owners must not have faith in their fellow citizen to not buy from Walmart and are using the strong arm of the govt to supress the free market.

I find it funny so many spoke out against Walmart when you know they would be the first in line to get the best deal.

True Americans recognize that "rock bottom prices" and the "best deal" doesn't have to mean selling America out.

Hopefully you America haters will continue to lose.
 

dainthomas

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Eminent?

No it's Wally World getting their asses handed to them imminently. :thumbsup: :laugh:

Aaah! :D

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
That you gain satisfaction from the potential screwing over of a corporation is disturbing...capitalism and a highly efficient business model is what made Wallmart successful.

Regardless, this is hardly a pebble in the road for Walmart...let the town of Hercules have its victory...Walmart can just build another store the next town over, that I am sure some of these residents will end up shopping at once they smell the sweet aroma of rock bottom prices.

Only if rock bottom prices smell like corndogs and unwashed feet.

 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
No it's Wally World getting their asses handed to them imminently.
That you gain satisfaction from the potential screwing over of a corporation is disturbing...capitalism and a highly efficient business model utilizing Chinese slave labor is what made Wallmart successful.

Fixed for you!
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
No it's Wally World getting their asses handed to them imminently.
That you gain satisfaction from the potential screwing over of a corporation is disturbing...capitalism and a highly efficient business model is what made Wallmart successful.

Regardless, this is hardly a pebble in the road for Walmart...let the town of Hercules have its victory...Walmart can just build another store the next town over, that I am sure some of these residents will end up shopping at once they smell the sweet aroma of rock bottom prices.

Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont like my neighbor, think I will get the city to kick the bum out by taking his property.

This will fail in the court system and rightly so unless they can provide a reason for the city taking the land for public use.

On top of that these small business owners must not have faith in their fellow citizen to not buy from Walmart and are using the strong arm of the govt to supress the free market.

I find it funny so many spoke out against Walmart when you know they would be the first in line to get the best deal.

True Americans recognize that "rock bottom prices" and the "best deal" doesn't have to mean selling America out.

Hopefully you America haters will continue to lose.

That is a load of horseshit and you know it. True Americans dont believe the govt is an oppressive machine they can craft to weed out who they dont want.

What next, these guys pass laws or ordinances outlawing blacks and hispanics and taking their land?
Is that what a "true" American would want? Or some sick fascist or socialist who believes the govt is their god?




 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
No it's Wally World getting their asses handed to them imminently.
That you gain satisfaction from the potential screwing over of a corporation is disturbing...capitalism and a highly efficient business model is what made Wallmart successful.

Regardless, this is hardly a pebble in the road for Walmart...let the town of Hercules have its victory...Walmart can just build another store the next town over, that I am sure some of these residents will end up shopping at once they smell the sweet aroma of rock bottom prices.

Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont like my neighbor, think I will get the city to kick the bum out by taking his property.

This will fail in the court system and rightly so unless they can provide a reason for the city taking the land for public use.

On top of that these small business owners must not have faith in their fellow citizen to not buy from Walmart and are using the strong arm of the govt to supress the free market.

I find it funny so many spoke out against Walmart when you know they would be the first in line to get the best deal.

True Americans recognize that "rock bottom prices" and the "best deal" doesn't have to mean selling America out.

Hopefully you America haters will continue to lose.

That is a load of horseshit and you know it. True Americans dont believe the govt is an oppressive machine they can craft to weed out who they dont want.

What next, these guys pass laws or ordinances outlawing blacks and hispanics and taking their land?
Is that what a "true" American would want? Or some sick fascist or socialist who believes the govt is their god?
Awwwwwwwww

OK for your Government Gods to discriminate against gays but God forbid they keep your China loving anti-competition Corporate Whores out.
 

Moonbeam

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I think there are two Walmarts 7 and 10 miles from this location. This is a high class city of well off people.

WalMart apparently thought they could build anything they wanted even though the city had prior detailed plans for what they had expected developers to follow. The Supreme Court explicitly ruled that it's legislatures that determine community good.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
No it's Wally World getting their asses handed to them imminently.
That you gain satisfaction from the potential screwing over of a corporation is disturbing...capitalism and a highly efficient business model is what made Wallmart successful.

Regardless, this is hardly a pebble in the road for Walmart...let the town of Hercules have its victory...Walmart can just build another store the next town over, that I am sure some of these residents will end up shopping at once they smell the sweet aroma of rock bottom prices.

Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont like my neighbor, think I will get the city to kick the bum out by taking his property.

This will fail in the court system and rightly so unless they can provide a reason for the city taking the land for public use.

On top of that these small business owners must not have faith in their fellow citizen to not buy from Walmart and are using the strong arm of the govt to supress the free market.

I find it funny so many spoke out against Walmart when you know they would be the first in line to get the best deal.

True Americans recognize that "rock bottom prices" and the "best deal" doesn't have to mean selling America out.

Hopefully you America haters will continue to lose.

That is a load of horseshit and you know it. True Americans dont believe the govt is an oppressive machine they can craft to weed out who they dont want.

What next, these guys pass laws or ordinances outlawing blacks and hispanics and taking their land?
Is that what a "true" American would want? Or some sick fascist or socialist who believes the govt is their god?
Awwwwwwwww

OK for your Government Gods to discriminate against gays but God forbid they keep your China loving anti-competition Corporate Whores out.


Oh how cute, Davie found his red herring and has tried to switch subjects.

Does anybody else find it ironic him complaining about anti-competition while cheering for a decision that limits the competition?

I guess it shouldnt be a surprise Davie has stepped on his own tongue again.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I think there are two Walmarts 7 and 10 miles from this location. This is a high class city of well off people.

WalMart apparently thought they could build anything they wanted even though the city had prior detailed plans for what they had expected developers to follow. The Supreme Court explicitly ruled that it's legislatures that determine community good.

Oh of course, the elites abusing govt power, color me surprised.
We cant have those richy rich be associated with Walmart.

The irony in this thread is so damn thick we need a chainsaw to cut it.

 

techs

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
No it's Wally World getting their asses handed to them imminently.
That you gain satisfaction from the potential screwing over of a corporation is disturbing...capitalism and a highly efficient business model is what made Wallmart successful.

Regardless, this is hardly a pebble in the road for Walmart...let the town of Hercules have its victory...Walmart can just build another store the next town over, that I am sure some of these residents will end up shopping at once they smell the sweet aroma of rock bottom prices.
What made Walmart efficient was squeezing every last possible penny out of its employees and suppliers, by lowering wages and benefits so its employees needed government benefits to get by, and by predatory pricing as it forced out local businesses with low prices and raised the prices when local businesses went under. It also became efficient by forcing its suppliers to off shore manufacturing.
While there is nothing illegal about that it has had a harmful effect on communities, workers, our government, our foreign policies, perhaps even the long term survival of the middle class in America.


 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
No it's Wally World getting their asses handed to them imminently.
That you gain satisfaction from the potential screwing over of a corporation is disturbing...capitalism and a highly efficient business model is what made Wallmart successful.

Regardless, this is hardly a pebble in the road for Walmart...let the town of Hercules have its victory...Walmart can just build another store the next town over, that I am sure some of these residents will end up shopping at once they smell the sweet aroma of rock bottom prices.
What made Walmart efficient was squeezing every last possible penny out of its employees and suppliers, by lowering wages and benefits so its employees needed government benefits to get by, and by predatory pricing as it forced out local businesses with low prices and raised the prices when local businesses went under. It also became efficient by forcing its suppliers to off shore manufacturing.
While there is nothing illegal about that it has had a harmful effect on communities, workers, our government, our foreign policies, perhaps even the long term survival of the middle class in America.

And? If the people didnt buy from Walmart then they wouldnt have been able to push out the higher cost competitors.

So is it the consumer or Walmarts or the competitors fault for Walmarts success?
Or is it a combination?
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
No it's Wally World getting their asses handed to them imminently.
That you gain satisfaction from the potential screwing over of a corporation is disturbing...capitalism and a highly efficient business model is what made Wallmart successful.

Regardless, this is hardly a pebble in the road for Walmart...let the town of Hercules have its victory...Walmart can just build another store the next town over, that I am sure some of these residents will end up shopping at once they smell the sweet aroma of rock bottom prices.

Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont like my neighbor, think I will get the city to kick the bum out by taking his property.

This will fail in the court system and rightly so unless they can provide a reason for the city taking the land for public use.

On top of that these small business owners must not have faith in their fellow citizen to not buy from Walmart and are using the strong arm of the govt to supress the free market.

I find it funny so many spoke out against Walmart when you know they would be the first in line to get the best deal.

True Americans recognize that "rock bottom prices" and the "best deal" doesn't have to mean selling America out.

Hopefully you America haters will continue to lose.

That is a load of horseshit and you know it. True Americans dont believe the govt is an oppressive machine they can craft to weed out who they dont want.

What next, these guys pass laws or ordinances outlawing blacks and hispanics and taking their land?
Is that what a "true" American would want? Or some sick fascist or socialist who believes the govt is their god

What are you raving about. This was the will of the people acting through their elected representatives acting through the government. We are the government. This is provided for in the Constitution.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
No it's Wally World getting their asses handed to them imminently.
That you gain satisfaction from the potential screwing over of a corporation is disturbing...capitalism and a highly efficient business model is what made Wallmart successful.

Regardless, this is hardly a pebble in the road for Walmart...let the town of Hercules have its victory...Walmart can just build another store the next town over, that I am sure some of these residents will end up shopping at once they smell the sweet aroma of rock bottom prices.

Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont like my neighbor, think I will get the city to kick the bum out by taking his property.

This will fail in the court system and rightly so unless they can provide a reason for the city taking the land for public use.

On top of that these small business owners must not have faith in their fellow citizen to not buy from Walmart and are using the strong arm of the govt to supress the free market.

I find it funny so many spoke out against Walmart when you know they would be the first in line to get the best deal.

True Americans recognize that "rock bottom prices" and the "best deal" doesn't have to mean selling America out.

Hopefully you America haters will continue to lose.

That is a load of horseshit and you know it. True Americans dont believe the govt is an oppressive machine they can craft to weed out who they dont want.

What next, these guys pass laws or ordinances outlawing blacks and hispanics and taking their land?
Is that what a "true" American would want? Or some sick fascist or socialist who believes the govt is their god

What are you raving about. This was the will of the people acting through their elected representatives acting through the government. We are the government. This is provided for in the Constitution.

Stealing private property for non-public use is provided for in the constitution?
This is news to me?

 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I think there are two Walmarts 7 and 10 miles from this location. This is a high class city of well off people.

WalMart apparently thought they could build anything they wanted even though the city had prior detailed plans for what they had expected developers to follow. The Supreme Court explicitly ruled that it's legislatures that determine community good.

Oh of course, the elites abusing govt power, color me surprised.
We cant have those richy rich be associated with Walmart.

The irony in this thread is so damn thick we need a chainsaw to cut it.

You mean the richly rich can't vote? The irony is that you are apparently unAmerican.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
No it's Wally World getting their asses handed to them imminently.
That you gain satisfaction from the potential screwing over of a corporation is disturbing...capitalism and a highly efficient business model is what made Wallmart successful.

Regardless, this is hardly a pebble in the road for Walmart...let the town of Hercules have its victory...Walmart can just build another store the next town over, that I am sure some of these residents will end up shopping at once they smell the sweet aroma of rock bottom prices.

Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont like my neighbor, think I will get the city to kick the bum out by taking his property.

This will fail in the court system and rightly so unless they can provide a reason for the city taking the land for public use.

On top of that these small business owners must not have faith in their fellow citizen to not buy from Walmart and are using the strong arm of the govt to supress the free market.

I find it funny so many spoke out against Walmart when you know they would be the first in line to get the best deal.

True Americans recognize that "rock bottom prices" and the "best deal" doesn't have to mean selling America out.

Hopefully you America haters will continue to lose.

That is a load of horseshit and you know it. True Americans dont believe the govt is an oppressive machine they can craft to weed out who they dont want.

What next, these guys pass laws or ordinances outlawing blacks and hispanics and taking their land?
Is that what a "true" American would want? Or some sick fascist or socialist who believes the govt is their god

What are you raving about. This was the will of the people acting through their elected representatives acting through the government. We are the government. This is provided for in the Constitution.

Stealing private property for non-public use is provided for in the constitution?
This is news to me?

What? You never saw a privatley owned railroad? Just how do yo imagine they got their rigth of way over privately owned land like for the last hundred years?
 

SampSon

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One of the suburban towns in my area is already in the process of doing this.
Wal-Marts proposals to build have been thrown out and the town is in the process of taking over the land they wanted.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
No it's Wally World getting their asses handed to them imminently.
That you gain satisfaction from the potential screwing over of a corporation is disturbing...capitalism and a highly efficient business model is what made Wallmart successful.

Regardless, this is hardly a pebble in the road for Walmart...let the town of Hercules have its victory...Walmart can just build another store the next town over, that I am sure some of these residents will end up shopping at once they smell the sweet aroma of rock bottom prices.

Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont like my neighbor, think I will get the city to kick the bum out by taking his property.

This will fail in the court system and rightly so unless they can provide a reason for the city taking the land for public use.

On top of that these small business owners must not have faith in their fellow citizen to not buy from Walmart and are using the strong arm of the govt to supress the free market.

I find it funny so many spoke out against Walmart when you know they would be the first in line to get the best deal.

True Americans recognize that "rock bottom prices" and the "best deal" doesn't have to mean selling America out.

Hopefully you America haters will continue to lose.

That is a load of horseshit and you know it. True Americans dont believe the govt is an oppressive machine they can craft to weed out who they dont want.

What next, these guys pass laws or ordinances outlawing blacks and hispanics and taking their land?
Is that what a "true" American would want? Or some sick fascist or socialist who believes the govt is their god

What are you raving about. This was the will of the people acting through their elected representatives acting through the government. We are the government. This is provided for in the Constitution.

Forget about it Moonie.

These guys are America Haters and Corporate Whore Lovers.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
No it's Wally World getting their asses handed to them imminently.
That you gain satisfaction from the potential screwing over of a corporation is disturbing...capitalism and a highly efficient business model is what made Wallmart successful.

Regardless, this is hardly a pebble in the road for Walmart...let the town of Hercules have its victory...Walmart can just build another store the next town over, that I am sure some of these residents will end up shopping at once they smell the sweet aroma of rock bottom prices.

Originally posted by: Genx87
I dont like my neighbor, think I will get the city to kick the bum out by taking his property.

This will fail in the court system and rightly so unless they can provide a reason for the city taking the land for public use.

On top of that these small business owners must not have faith in their fellow citizen to not buy from Walmart and are using the strong arm of the govt to supress the free market.

I find it funny so many spoke out against Walmart when you know they would be the first in line to get the best deal.

True Americans recognize that "rock bottom prices" and the "best deal" doesn't have to mean selling America out.

Hopefully you America haters will continue to lose.

That is a load of horseshit and you know it. True Americans dont believe the govt is an oppressive machine they can craft to weed out who they dont want.

What next, these guys pass laws or ordinances outlawing blacks and hispanics and taking their land?
Is that what a "true" American would want? Or some sick fascist or socialist who believes the govt is their god

What are you raving about. This was the will of the people acting through their elected representatives acting through the government. We are the government. This is provided for in the Constitution.

Stealing private property for non-public use is provided for in the constitution?
This is news to me?

What? You never saw a privatley owned railroad? Just how do yo imagine they got their rigth of way over privately owned land like for the last hundred years?

You think I approve of such an action?