Walmart Healthcare plan better than Obamacare!

[Moonbeam]

You know it would have been nice if we'd conducted a through analysis of health care and put substantial effort into understanding and resolving problems with our system instead of providing hay for the parties. Man, was that not wanted.

It seems to me that what we have is all we can have based on the level of consciousness we operate at on average. Politics is the art of the possible is how this might otherwise be expressed. It seems to me, also, that one party devoted itself exclusively to blocking anything Obama would do to reform our recent condition and what we have now is the result. You have folk who want to evolve and folk who want stasis and change of some kind can't be stopped. The way I see it, the desire to block any hope of change is the reason we get a shitty version of change. A party of Americans are hell bent of preventing another group of Americans from evolving. The only thing that grows in the toxic environment that results is a genetic freak. No no no no no is all conservatives stand for these days and the result is frustration and exhaustion on the other side. But then I also believe that liberals are interested in providing a better healthcare system to the nation and conservatives are interested in protecting businesses that do medicine for profit. I also believe that what we had was terrible. I may be wrong. I don't in other words believe there is a strict parallel between liberals and conservatives when it comes to motivation. Results maybe more because conservatives piss in the soup. They are really more intent of destruction over seeing anything change. It's really the fact, scientifically proven in my opinion, that conservatives more than liberals play for their own team. When you throw in their rejection of science and their truthiness appeals, it makes them very tough to beat. They are like a cancer of the brain that as a part of its MO convinces you to seek alternative medical treatment like faith healing. The brain dead are after the steering wheel.

 

[Matt1970]

It seems to me, also, that one party devoted itself exclusively to blocking anything Obama would do to reform our recent condition and what we have now is the result.

You guys need to figure this out once and for all. Did Obama do magical mystical things as some would like us to believe or was he obstructed at every turn like others would like us to believe?

 

[Lanyap]

BULL SHIT !!!!
...
What one worker I personally know and talked to, when they became eligible for coverage after one year, thought all these segments or categories sounded pretty neat. So they took nearly all offered. Basic, cancer, vision, coronary (yes they had special insurance for the heart), blood disorders, pregnancy, and so on and so on.
THEN... and get this... The HR dept head called in this employee and said, "do you realize after we deduct for all the coverages you opted for from your check, you will have less than $25 a week take-home pay?
So.... that employee was TOLD by HR management to ""CUT DOWN"" on their desired choices of coverage and suggested the basic no frills, highly excluding, fine print plan was their only realistic option at their salary.
And BTW, this employee makes nearly $14 an hour.
...

Walmart doesn't have an enrollment system that tells the employee the cost of what they are signing up for? And then an HR dept head calls them to tell them how much it is?

That sounds suspect..

Don't we have some Walmart employees here than can confirm or deny this?

 

[sandorski]

Walmart doesn't have an enrollment system that tells the employee the cost of what they are signing up for? And then an HR dept head calls them to tell them how much it is?

That sounds suspect..

Don't we have some Walmart employees here than can confirm or deny this?

With all the World Travel and Super Model dating, none of us have the time to work at Walmart....

 

[Incorruptible]

Not surprised at all. obamacare is crap and needs to be replaced with a free market healthcare system. When government gets involved they do a good job of screwing everything up.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Not surprised at all. obamacare is crap and needs to be replaced with a free market healthcare system. When government gets involved they do a good job of screwing everything up.

Posting like an ignorant retard like usual.

A free market system where everyone would be given health insurance or only a certain percentage of individuals that Walmart provides health insurance?

What a stupid comparison. Better to use Starbucks where all employees even part-time are provided health insurance.

 

[Incorruptible]

Posting like an ignorant retard like usual.

A free market system where everyone would be given health insurance or only a certain percentage of individuals that Walmart provides health insurance?

What a stupid comparison. Better to use Starbucks where all employees even part-time are provided health insurance.

So you're resorting to personal attacks because I dare disagree with you? Not surprised at all.

 

[Moonbeam]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt Caveman
Posting like an ignorant retard like usual.

A free market system where everyone would be given health insurance or only a certain percentage of individuals that Walmart provides health insurance?

What a stupid comparison. Better to use Starbucks where all employees even part-time are provided health insurance.

So you're resorting to personal attacks because I dare disagree with you? Not surprised at all.

I see you personally attacking him by calling him a personal attacker and only that while I see in his posts reasons for why he thought your comparison stupid. These little things make a difference to those of us who can think.

 

[werepossum]

Says the serially dishonest guy who tried to claim that to regulate something was to nationalize it and that because someone published a paper that was equal to huge evidence for global cooling.

Physician, heal thyself.

Actually that first one was me. Well, me and the people who write dictionaries. But you and the elite group who write wikipedia articles sure owned us.

Interesting that when confronted with a large number of facts and one opinion, you chose to lie.

 

[werepossum]

I'm going to try to walk a tightrope here since I do not necessarily endorse the Washington Examiner or the point they are trying to make.

That being said, this part of your post seems to me to miss a point of WE article, which is that Wal-Mart has traditionally been maligned for providing really crappy care and benefits to its employees. I get your point, that it is disingenuous for the WE to say "ACA compliant coverage costs more than Wal-Mart's offering so it follows that it is worse" since premium cost is not the only measure of "quality" or "value". On the flip side, by summarily dismissing the WE's claim, you've also overlooked the fact that the Wal-Mart plan does have an employer contribution and that employer contribution does have value (Actually, you didn't overlook it, you mentioned it then discounted it). If the contention is that an ACA compliant individual plan can't be compared to an employer-subsidized group plan because the employer subsidy has value, then Wal-Mart's offering is necessarily more valuable than it's given credit for.

In fact, this point is so often overlooked that now employer contributions must be reported on employees' form W2, to better apprise them of the value they're receiving. (A provision enacted by the ACA, no less!)



Actually, the bolded part is not true. The ACA is specifically designed to "compete" with employer plans. The administration realized that group plans offered better coverage at lower prices than individual plans and designed the ACA so that almost every single individual market reform moved it closer to the group market:
Guaranteed issue
Guaranteed renewability
Limited underwriting factors
Expansion of mental health parity
Tax credits to mimic employer contributions
Incentive to move to community rating
Etc.

In fact, the group market was even encouraged to move a bit closer to the individual market as well with the provision allowing employee choice on the SHOP exchanges. The end goal is an overall insurance marketplace with as little variance as possible among the various sub-markets, which is intended to increase competition and improve consumer experience.

The ACA not only competes with employer plans, it gives itself a huge advantage by killing those employer plans. You don't have to beat them if you can simply stop them from competing.

 

[Capt Caveman]

So you're resorting to personal attacks because I dare disagree with you? Not surprised at all.

It's not a personal but the truth. What don't you and the OP understand how one health plan is available to everyone in this country while the other is only available to a certain percentage of employees of a private company?

When Walmart makes the plan available to all of it's employees and to every American in the US, let us know if it's cheaper and bettter.

 

[Incorruptible]

It's not a personal but the truth. What don't you and the OP understand how one health plan is available to everyone in this country while the other is only available to a certain percentage of employees of a private company?

When Walmart makes the plan available to all of it's employees and to every American in the US, let us know if it's cheaper and bettter.

No it's not you moron. You got angry as the typical liberal does when someone dared disagree with you and you resort to insults.

My point is that obamacare is crap and a free market system is what's needed.

 

[Capt Caveman]

No it's not you moron. You got angry as the typical liberal does when someone dared disagree with you and you resort to insults.

My point is that obamacare is crap and a free market system is what's needed.

And that only shows your lack of intelligence and ignorance. Please tell us an insurance company in a free market system that is going to offer health insurance to an individual with a pre-existing condition?

Free market system? :biggrin: Again, high school or college b/c you can't be an adult. B/c yes a free market system would provide health insurance to everyone. :biggrin:

 

[Incorruptible]

And that only shows your lack of intelligence and ignorance. Please tell us an insurance company in a free market system that is going to offer health insurance to an individual with a pre-existing condition?

Free market system? :biggrin: Again, high school or college b/c you can't be an adult. B/c yes a free market system would provide health insurance to everyone. :biggrin:

That kind of defeats the purpose you retard. You don't get it after you need it and plans could be available but cost more.

 

[Capt Caveman]

That kind of defeats the purpose you retard. You don't get it after you need it and plans could be available but cost more.

Yes, that great free market system would make it impossible for those with pre-existing conditions to afford it. And since you believe in a true free market systems, what mechanisms are there to stop health insurance companies from dropping members that are absorbing highly costly medical expenses? None. Sounds like a great system.

Oh, more great news about Walmart - Most Walmart Store Workers Didn't Earn $25,000 Last Year

Those part-time workers that don't make shit, don't even get health insurance.

 

[pcgeek11]

It is good to see ( as I expected ) that a very high percentage of the posters in the thread completely missed the point. sactoking is I think the only one that really got it.

The rest don't have a clue.

 

[Victorian Gray]

But what if you unexpectedly found yourself pregnant? What would you do then?

Marry a toaster?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Not surprised at all. obamacare is crap and needs to be replaced with a free market healthcare system. When government gets involved they do a good job of screwing everything up.

Toasters are wonderful appliances.

 

[Victorian Gray]

The ACA not only competes with employer plans, it gives itself a huge advantage by killing those employer plans. You don't have to beat them if you can simply stop them from competing.

Wait, what? How does a law compete with a plan? And why would it if it could? What you're saying isn't much different than saying an apple competes with painting a house.

The ACA is not a plan, it's a law.

[edit: spelling]

 

[Victorian Gray]

That kind of defeats the purpose you retard. You don't get it after you need it and plans could be available but cost more.

Oranges have a slightly pebbly texture.

 

[werepossum]

Wait, what? How does a law compete with a plan? And why would it if it could? What you're saying isn't much different than saying an apple competes with painting a house.

The ACA is not a plan, it's a law.

[edit: spelling]

Okay, the Obamacare plans are competing with existing employer-provided plans by driving them out of the market. The first way is by adopting an absurdly strict definition of change, so that if premiums go up $5 Obamacare comes to the rescue by cancelling your insurance and raising your premiums $200. The second is by introducing enough extra paperwork, uncertainly, and risk that employers drop health insurance, paying the penalties (if large enough) and forcing their employees on the Obamacare exchanges for individual policies.

 

[OverVolt]

It is good to see ( as I expected ) that a very high percentage of the posters in the thread completely missed the point. sactoking is I think the only one that really got it.

The rest don't have a clue.

Seems common these days. Then arguing with the clueless ensues and its hard to tell in the midst of the chaos which one is skewing some post made a couple pages ago.

 

[Bowfinger]

It is good to see ( as I expected ) that a very high percentage of the posters in the thread completely missed the point. sactoking is I think the only one that really got it.

The rest don't have a clue.

If virtually nobody understands the point you're trying to make, you can find the problem in your mirror. Or, you were duped by a blatantly dishonest story, and are now trying to backpedal.

 

[fskimospy]

Actually that first one was me. Well, me and the people who write dictionaries. But you and the elite group who write wikipedia articles sure owned us.

Interesting that when confronted with a large number of facts and one opinion, you chose to lie.

Oh I remember, I just figured you had slunk off in shame after realizing you didn't know how to use a dictionary. I did enjoy how you thought that the liberal conspiracy extended far enough that liberals had preemptively edited Wikipedia in order to further their agenda though. That was impressively insane.

The people who wrote dictionaries are fine. The people who don't understand that words have more than one meaning are the guys I worry about. If you want to jump back into the "to regulate is to nationalize" camp that's fine, but you're just inviting mockery of yourself.

I for one am never surprised when you decide to lie, as it seems to be the basis of your character when addressing certain issues. You prize preserving your world view over all else so the truth is a small price to pay to you.

 

[Phokus]

It is good to see ( as I expected ) that a very high percentage of the posters in the thread completely missed the point. sactoking is I think the only one that really got it.

The rest don't have a clue.

Actually, like a typical idiot fuck conservative that you are, you fell for a bullshit story that omitted serious facts that would make your walmartcare > obamacare narrative completely false. Talk about a self ownage backfire. You guys live in a bubble.