Walmart Enjoying 6.2 billion in subsidies

[Jhhnn]

Ok Mr. "factually incorrect" he said "no to low skilled" people. Sliding a bar code over a scanner is low skilled. They can train you to do that job in less than an hour. Within one hour of starting that job you are probably doing it 90% as well as someone who has been doing it for 10 years.

It's the "no" part that I objected to. There's a big difference between having no skills & latent skills, skills that haven't been brought out & sharpened up with training, diligence & practice.

It's not like there's any shortage of skilled people, anyway, relative to the number of jobs available. Quite the contrary. Offshoring, automation & accumulation have seen to that. Even highly skilled people have difficulty finding work in today's economy.

Capitalism no longer requires nearly as many workers per capita as it once did to satisfy the desires of the Job Creators. Meanwhile, the People still need & want the same things that Capitalism formerly provided them for their labor.

 

[Zaap]

Walmart isn't the only business that pays people minimum wage or slightly above. Go look at salaries for grocery store, electronics (Best Buy), home improvement, and many other companies that employ no to low skilled people. I guess these companies are receiving a "subsidy" as well.

I think the average that Walmart pays is actually $12 an hour, slightly below the national average. It's the largest employer, so it probably has the largest share of every kind of employee hardship and sob story as any other business as well.

I realized long ago, none of this silly Walmart crap is about anyone on the left really giving a squat about Walmart's lower end employees. They just don't like Walmarts success and as always, are motivated by "stickin' it to da man!" Same ol' lameness.

Meanwhile, I bet most of them shop at Walmart.

 

[fskimospy]

I think the average that Walmart pays is actually $12 an hour, slightly below the national average. It's the largest employer, so it probably has the largest share of every kind of employee hardship and sob story as any other business as well.

I realized long ago, none of this silly Walmart crap is about anyone on the left really giving a squat about Walmart's lower end employees. They just don't like Walmarts success and as always, are motivated by "stickin' it to da man!" Same ol' lameness.

Meanwhile, I bet most of them shop at Walmart.

So can you explain why people don't seem to have a problem with Costco, despite their considerable success? Shouldn't they hate them too?

 

[Zaap]

Costco is no where near the size of Walmart. If Costco were #1, yes, you'd be here slanging shit at them too.

Costco is just the defacto "Let's compare them to Walmart!" that some leftie picked, thinking they could fool people that Costco and Walmart have the same business model. Every time it's pointed out that they're entirely different companies with different models, then the left cries foul and keeps right on with the dumb comparisons.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Costco is no where near the size of Walmart. If Costco were #1, yes, you'd be here slanging shit at them too.

Costco is just the defacto "Let's compare them to Walmart!" that some leftie picked, thinking they could fool people that Costco and Walmart have the same business model. Every time it's pointed out that they're entirely different companies with different models, then the left cries foul and keeps right on with the dumb comparisons.

WalMart (including subsidiary companies like Sam's Club) is the number one retailer in the world. Costco is, I believe, number four. Direct comparisons between WalMart's direct competion to Costco, Sam's Club, which show how much Sam's Club is outperformed by Costco have been posted.

What have you got? A rant.

 

[fskimospy]

Costco is no where near the size of Walmart. If Costco were #1, yes, you'd be here slanging shit at them too.

Costco is just the defacto "Let's compare them to Walmart!" that some leftie picked, thinking they could fool people that Costco and Walmart have the same business model. Every time it's pointed out that they're entirely different companies with different models, then the left cries foul and keeps right on with the dumb comparisons.

Ahh, so liberals only hate the #1 company in each field? Why do they love Apple so much? Why do they hate other companies that aren't #1?

There seem to be a lot of holes in your theory.

 

[Zaap]

People bitching about Walmart aren't comparing Costco to Sam's Club- they're always comparing Walmart to Costco directly.

The day that "Walmart Bitcher" becomes a hot resume item, you dipshits specializing in it might actually be in line for a job.

 

[Zaap]

Ahh, so liberals only hate the #1 company in each field? Why do they love Apple so much?

There you go with your usual spin! LOL! You thought no one would notice, as always.

We're talking about RETAIL and companies that pay minimum wage. You knew that.

Oh, and your ilk loves to bitch about McDonalds too, even when its pointed out that most McDonalds restaurants are small independently owned franchises. Can't even remember the last time I heard a Professional Bitcher whine about any other fast food chain.

 

[fskimospy]

There you go with your usual spin! LOL! You thought no one would notice, as always.

We're talking about RETAIL and companies that pay minimum wage. You knew that.

Oh, and your ilk loves to bitch about McDonalds too, even when its pointed out that most McDonalds restaurants are small independently owned franchises. Can't even remember the last time I heard a Professional Bitcher whine about any other fast food chain.

So wait, liberals only hate the success of retail companies? I'm so confused.

 

[Zaap]

Of course you're confused, you spin so much your brain has probably dislodged itself.

Is there some other company that's the #1 employer, paying people minimum wage? Of course not, so keep spinning that we're talking about something else again, please! It's such a good tactic, I'm sure there's someone it's actually fooling.

Meanwhile, when have you Professional Bitchers ever whined about any other retail chain that has a lot of minimum wage workers? You simply don't give a flying shit about minimum wage workers, you just love bitching about Walmart because they're the #1 employer and you have your marching orders from leftloon central.

Next up: you loons bitching about the Koch brothers and McDonalds and the other Pavlov's bells that send all you leftlemmings into loon mode. As predictable as the sun coming up.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Ahh, so liberals only hate the #1 company in each field? Why do they love Apple so much? Why do they hate other companies that aren't #1?

There seem to be a lot of holes in your theory.

Apple is cool, even though they offshored most, if not all their manufacturing jobs.

Lesson learned, it's okay to offshore jobs if your products are cool. If your products aren't cool you're an evil corporation.

 

[Chiropteran]

People bitching about Walmart aren't comparing Costco to Sam's Club- they're always comparing Walmart to Costco directly.

Actually, that comparison ( Costco vs sams club) has been made in this very thread. Either you blindly ranting without even reading or understanding the argument, or you are being dishonest.

 

[Chiropteran]

Apple is cool, even though they offshored most, if not all their manufacturing jobs.

Lesson learned, it's okay to offshore jobs if your products are cool. If your products aren't cool you're an evil corporation.

I can't speak for others, but I am no fan of apple's business practices either, even if they pay their employees well.

Your straw man argument isn't fooling anyone.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I can't speak for others, but I am no fan of apple's business practices either, even if they pay their employees well.

Your straw man argument isn't fooling anyone.

Not making an argument you hack. I was making a statement based on another user's comment (that was quoted in my post).

 

[Matt1970]

Capitalism no longer requires nearly as many workers per capita as it once did to satisfy the desires of the Job Creators. Meanwhile, the People still need & want the same things that Capitalism formerly provided them for their labor.

Sure it does, just not here. You post this bullshit and yet get offended when people call you Marxist. And I am sure you typed your usual lack of jobs rant that while riding home in your foreign made car from your shopping trip where 90% of that crap you bought was made in China.

 

[Matt1970]

Actually, that comparison ( Costco vs sams club) has been made in this very thread. Either you blindly ranting without even reading or understanding the argument, or you are being dishonest.

I saw those couple posts.......out of over 200. Who is being dishonest?

 

[Jhhnn]

It's the "no" part that I objected to. There's a big difference between having no skills & latent skills, skills that haven't been brought out & sharpened up with training, diligence & practice.

It's not like there's any shortage of skilled people, anyway, relative to the number of jobs available. Quite the contrary. Offshoring, automation & accumulation have seen to that. Even highly skilled people have difficulty finding work in today's economy.

Capitalism no longer requires nearly as many workers per capita as it once did to satisfy the desires of the Job Creators. Meanwhile, the People still need & want the same things that Capitalism formerly provided them for their labor.

Sure it does, just not here. You post this bullshit and yet get offended when people call you Marxist. And I am sure you typed your usual lack of jobs rant that while riding home in your foreign made car from your shopping trip where 90% of that crap you bought was made in China.

Obviously, I referenced the domestic economy where a lack of job opportunity is quite real & wages depressed. You merely confirm what I offered with your usual hateful "Marxist! Marxist! Marxist!" name calling.

Clearly, the need to supplement the incomes of low wage workers is quite real if we're to have a country we want to live in. Walmart leads the way in creating that reality. It's an alternate method of income distribution that benefits capitalism enormously. Not only does it allow the financial elite in general to reap higher profits- they win again in loaning money to the govt to do it.

The answer, of course, is much higher taxes on enormous incomes & vast hoards of inherited wealth to both finance the programs their business practices dictate & to limit their political power to something compatible with egalitarian democracy in a Constitutional Republic.

If you're having comprehension problems with that, it's because you've incorporated entirely too much right wing propaganda into your belief structure.

 

[Matt1970]

Obviously, I referenced the domestic economy where a lack of job opportunity is quite real & wages depressed. You merely confirm what I offered with your usual hateful "Marxist! Marxist! Marxist!" name calling.

Clearly, the need to supplement the incomes of low wage workers is quite real if we're to have a country we want to live in. Walmart leads the way in creating that reality. It's an alternate method of income distribution that benefits capitalism enormously. Not only does it allow the financial elite in general to reap higher profits- they win again in loaning money to the govt to do it.

The answer, of course, is much higher taxes on enormous incomes & vast hoards of inherited wealth to both finance the programs their business practices dictate & to limit their political power to something compatible with egalitarian democracy in a Constitutional Republic.

If you're having comprehension problems with that, it's because you've incorporated entirely too much right wing propaganda into your belief structure.

You heard it here first folks. The reason why the rich have accumulated too much money is their taxes are too low. If we raise taxes on the rich, it will, and I quote "allow the financial elite in general to reap higher profits". And yes, I am having comprehension problems with that.

 

[Veliko]

You heard it here first folks. The reason why the rich have accumulated too much money is their taxes are too low. If we raise taxes on the rich, it will, and I quote "allow the financial elite in general to reap higher profits". And yes, I am having comprehension problems with that.

You seem to have only a very basic understanding of economics and what wealth is.

 

[Jhhnn]

You seem to have only a very basic understanding of economics and what wealth is.

That, and words on the screen only mean what he wants them to mean. It's what happens when one's intellect is ensnared in the loops of right wing propaganda & denial.

His latest post is an exquisitely painful example of that. I'd feel for him, if he weren't such a spiteful jerk. It's the badger backed into his hole syndrome.

 

[Matt1970]

That, and words on the screen only mean what he wants them to mean. It's what happens when one's intellect is ensnared in the loops of right wing propaganda & denial.

His latest post is an exquisitely painful example of that. I'd feel for him, if he weren't such a spiteful jerk. It's the badger backed into his hole syndrome.

I guess it's that right wing propaganda that keeps me from understanding how taxing someone at a higher rate will actually make them more money when in fact you have repeatedly stated the reason why they have so much money to begin with is that their taxes are so low.

 

[Veliko]

I guess it's that right wing propaganda that keeps me from understanding how taxing someone at a higher rate will actually make them more money when in fact you have repeatedly stated the reason why they have so much money to begin with is that their taxes are so low.

It's right wing propaganda that keeps you focussed on looking for phantom contradictions made by people on Internet forums rather than the bigger picture.

Capitalism, if left to its own devices, will merely end up eating itself so you need effective mechanisms to redistribute the wealth. A progressive tax system is one such way and raising the minimum wage is another.

Also, money and wealth are not the same thing.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I saw those couple posts.......out of over 200. Who is being dishonest?

These figures/comparisons were pointed out specifically to you several times and yet you make no effort to address them in any way. You simply continue to hand wave, froth and rave and throw out insults.

In this case I don't think that you are anyone to be using the word dishonest.

 

[Matt1970]

It's right wing propaganda that keeps you focussed on looking for phantom contradictions made by people on Internet forums rather than the bigger picture.

Capitalism, if left to its own devices, will merely end up eating itself so you need effective mechanisms to redistribute the wealth. A progressive tax system is one such way and raising the minimum wage is another.

Also, money and wealth are not the same thing.

Oh, so now they are "phantom contradictions". Weak, really weak.

 

[Matt1970]

These figures/comparisons were pointed out specifically to you several times and yet you make no effort to address them in any way. You simply continue to hand wave, froth and rave and throw out insults.

In this case I don't think that you are anyone to be using the word dishonest.

Costco and Sam's club comparisons were pointed out specifically to me?