How can anyonewith an inkling of recent EU history not know the Prussian Death's Head? That said, it's not particularly more offensive than any other military insignia.
Indeed, as far as skull 'n' crossbones in general, they have gone from being feared to being a laugh thanks to fanciful stories and the more recent pirate fad, despite the fact that real pirates have never been relegated to the history books and are no joke.
As far as the Nazi association, that was fleeting, EU-centric and just not worth getting one's knickers in a twist about. Likewise the swastika schtick. Sadly enough ignorance and hate prevails and is as current as the day's headlines, to wit: on CNN a naval barracks in San Diego (?) as seen from above (Gooogle Earth, &c.) is in the pattern of a swastika (presumably offers windows to most rooms and at the same time semi-secluded but not closed-in courtyards) but since the predictable hue and cry it has been announced that $600 000 will be pissed away on renovations to "change the shape". Oh, bravo.
Indeed, as far as skull 'n' crossbones in general, they have gone from being feared to being a laugh thanks to fanciful stories and the more recent pirate fad, despite the fact that real pirates have never been relegated to the history books and are no joke.
As far as the Nazi association, that was fleeting, EU-centric and just not worth getting one's knickers in a twist about. Likewise the swastika schtick. Sadly enough ignorance and hate prevails and is as current as the day's headlines, to wit: on CNN a naval barracks in San Diego (?) as seen from above (Gooogle Earth, &c.) is in the pattern of a swastika (presumably offers windows to most rooms and at the same time semi-secluded but not closed-in courtyards) but since the predictable hue and cry it has been announced that $600 000 will be pissed away on renovations to "change the shape". Oh, bravo.
"The piratical use of black flags, with skull and crossbones or other motifs upon them, predates the appearance of the term "Jolly Roger" by at least twenty years. The first known pirate use of the black flag with skull and crossbones is by Emanuel Wynne about 1700. Henry Every is frequently shown in secondary sources using the skull and crossbones on black in 1695 or 1696, but contemporary evidence for this is lacking. A piratical black flag is also attributed to Thomas Tew, who plundered Mughal shipping in 1693, but this design did not feature skull or crossbones, and its authenticity is dubious."
sorry, it was originally used in the early 1700's, far before the use of it in the early 1800's by Germany.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolly_Roger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_England
0roo0roo
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well i know about the skull on the uniforms, but its more a general idea... not as closely associated as with other symbols say the swastikas which really does represent the nazi's. and well lots of things have skulls... like pirates
anyways, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsNLbK8_rBY
ktehmok
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There is going to come a time when every symbol ever created offends someone. When that time comes, should we all just wear burlap bags (Oh wait, that probably already offends someone, maybe the Irish in reference to the Potato Famine), or just not wear anything (oh wait, that offends the religious), stay in our houses (Oh wait, that offends the homeless), or live outside (Oh wait, that offends the homebuilders).....
Walmart is not going to pull the shirts from the shelves for a simple reason: They paid for them, they are inventory, and they want to sell them.
The ignorance in this thread is in the thinking that Walmart has any vested interest in anything that you care about or value.
And yes, I do shop there. Because money talks & bullshit walks.
Walmart is not going to pull the shirts from the shelves for a simple reason: They paid for them, they are inventory, and they want to sell them.
The ignorance in this thread is in the thinking that Walmart has any vested interest in anything that you care about or value.
And yes, I do shop there. Because money talks & bullshit walks.
I bet the patrons of that bar would have done better if you had asked them who were the cast members of the Broadway Musical "Cats"
hanoverphist
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true that! my dad collects the stuff (hes an old skool biker). most of his collection is plain awesome from a collectors standpoint. that skull may resemble it, but unless they can prove the artist made it specifically to model the waffen-ss design i doubt they can really do much about it. that same design was used on the NSKK rings given to the nazi motorcycle corps too. they were gold rings with a plain skull and crossbones on the front. awesome rings, my dad has an original. im not a neo nazi or anything, but the history behind these things has relevance to both sides of the war. get your panties unwound and relax.
zinfamous
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whether or not they intentionally did it, the point here is that they were made aware of this issue--4 months ago--and have clearly done nothing about it.
I'm willing to believe that this was a snafu by some idiotic logo ad man or some chinese factory owner--but the problem is that Walmart has acknowledged the blunder, yet has done nothing about it.
THAT is the problem.
OutHouse
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this from the other nazi thrad. kinda funny... http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09...e042831bd36&ei=5087%0A
Holy crap - I was in Wal Mart last night and you know what they have the audacity to sell? Rope - yep, the same stuff that was used to commit an untold number of lynchings in the south, and they are selling it like it is a...oh, I dunno....tool or something.</sarcasm>
Throckmorton
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I disagree that they should pull them. They should keep selling them to neonazis so we can know who they are.
JulesMaximus
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That's about as bad as selling a shirt with a nice big swastika on it.
It's pretty disgusting. I'm not going to over-react here, but I honestly believe that Nazis, and their respective symbols are good for only one thing... Burning in a fire.
Stores shouldn't be selling Nazi symbolism, it represents hate, murder, mindless nationalism, genocide and intolerant bigotry.
It's pretty disgusting. I'm not going to over-react here, but I honestly believe that Nazis, and their respective symbols are good for only one thing... Burning in a fire.
Stores shouldn't be selling Nazi symbolism, it represents hate, murder, mindless nationalism, genocide and intolerant bigotry.
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