Wal-Mart, the evil moves closer to me.

[Zebo]

Seek legal advice. This is a legit complaint lowering prop value. I encourage you to talk to a RE attoney and find out your options, consultation is free usually, and they'll shoot straight. My brother (and about 30 others) sued the city of tulsa successfully when they built a freeway behind his house which crashed their Home values.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Babbles
f Wal-Mart.

I hate them. Usually dirty stores, very poor customer service - seems like they hire only the most incompetent cashiers, awful grocery services - deli, the lack of a meat market, the produce usually blows, lack of selection - they have a lot of stuff but it is just a truckload of a few different things. I really do not think their prices are mind blowingly low compare to other places.

I could care less if you Wal-Mart fans shop there, but I would rather pay a few cents more on each item and shop at a clean store with competent employees that has a decent selection of goods - chiefly Super Target, but I do my shopping at Costco and some other local grocery store chains.

I prefer Costco over Wally World but I don't mind Wally World, especially the Super Center in Southern New Hampshire (Cheap prices and no sales tax) That store is clean and their grocery dept is well stocked and very reasonably priced.

Of course I'd never even consider working for Wally World but would consider working for Costco (Better wages and Union)

Again, Costco is not comparable to Walmart. Costco is a membership driven warehousing business, Sams Club is what competes with them.

Yeah so what, I still prefer Costco over Wally World.:roll:

And i prefer a grocery store over a gas station. :roll:

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: jumpr
So you moved 36 MILES away from your work just to afford more home, and now you're COMPLAINING ABOUT WAL-MART? You are the epitome of suburban sprawl, and now you're complaining about the benefits of sprawl. Just stop.

Agreed. Stop bitching. Wal-Mart is not evil and they are only successful because people like you are hypocrites who whine about the evils of wal mart and then proceed to keep them in business.

In summary, STFU.

They should be broken up if our anti-trust laws mean anything. (which they don't) Simply by thier size and market position they can force manufactures to sell signifigantly cheaper to them, "pass the savings" off to you elminating all competitiors. Great right? Until you want to open a store. Until you want to manufacture some socks. Walmart virtually elminates all businesses but boutquie shops.

 

[Ornery]

But hey, if you want to spew out clueless rhetoric then don't let me stop you.

Uh yeah, your Walmart is filthy, so every other Walmart in the country must be, too. And, I'm the one spewing out clueless rhetoric... :roll:

I've got a couple Walmarts at my disposal, that are clean as a whistle. You can make of that what you like!

 

[Zanix]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: jumpr
So you moved 36 MILES away from your work just to afford more home, and now you're COMPLAINING ABOUT WAL-MART? You are the epitome of suburban sprawl, and now you're complaining about the benefits of sprawl. Just stop.

Agreed. Stop bitching. Wal-Mart is not evil and they are only successful because people like you are hypocrites who whine about the evils of wal mart and then proceed to keep them in business.

In summary, STFU.

They should be broken up if our anti-trust laws mean anything. (which they don't) Simply by thier size and market position they can force manufactures to sell signifigantly cheaper to them, "pass the savings" off to you elminating all competitiors. Great right? Until you want to open a store. Until you want to manufacture some socks. Walmart virtually elminates all businesses but boutquie shops.

I don't understand macro economics.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: waggy
Do you really think that every place has to pay a living wage? do you know how much anything would cost if they did that? not to mention what is a living wage?

Well.. what happens to the economy, when people are employed, and they still cannot make a living wage? That seems to imply that they are also dependent on some sort of aid/welfare/etc. Doesn't that bother you at all, the possibility that because these stores don't pay a living wage, in order for their prices to be lower, that you will have to make up for that, via a portition of your taxes? If you're employed, and still can't "make a living" at it, then isn't that nearly a form of wage-slavery? Isn't that indeed the picture of the "company store"?

Originally posted by: waggy
Nobody owes you a damn thing. IF you can't make a living on what you are making then either get a 2nd job or get a education and get a better one.

Perhaps Wal-Mart should strike an exclusive deal with the federal dept of prisons, and use cut-rate prison labor instead. They could then afford to pay their workers even less (since their housing and food would of course be provided by the state), and in turn pass the (retail) savings on to you! All the while, claiming to be doing such a grand social work, providing "valuable work experience for prisoners". In fact for greater efficiency, and perhaps even a development cost subsidy, they could open up combination low/med-security prisons, right alongside their Wal-Mart super-center stores! The ultimate in both neighborhood shopping convenience, and local criminal "reform".

 

[Ornery]

What happens to the economy, when people are employed, and they still cannot make a living wage? :roll:

 

[alent1234]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: jumpr
So you moved 36 MILES away from your work just to afford more home, and now you're COMPLAINING ABOUT WAL-MART? You are the epitome of suburban sprawl, and now you're complaining about the benefits of sprawl. Just stop.

Agreed. Stop bitching. Wal-Mart is not evil and they are only successful because people like you are hypocrites who whine about the evils of wal mart and then proceed to keep them in business.

In summary, STFU.

They should be broken up if our anti-trust laws mean anything. (which they don't) Simply by thier size and market position they can force manufactures to sell signifigantly cheaper to them, "pass the savings" off to you elminating all competitiors. Great right? Until you want to open a store. Until you want to manufacture some socks. Walmart virtually elminates all businesses but boutquie shops.

you are wrong

Best Buy, Target and a lot of other stores are still around since only a minority is willing to shop at wal mart. There have been real studies done and wal mart never captures more than 30% of any regional market. The other 70% is won by the retailers with efficient business models and the rest go out of business.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Zanix

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: jumpr
So you moved 36 MILES away from your work just to afford more home, and now you're COMPLAINING ABOUT WAL-MART? You are the epitome of suburban sprawl, and now you're complaining about the benefits of sprawl. Just stop.

Agreed. Stop bitching. Wal-Mart is not evil and they are only successful because people like you are hypocrites who whine about the evils of wal mart and then proceed to keep them in business.

In summary, STFU.

They should be broken up if our anti-trust laws mean anything. (which they don't) Simply by thier size and market position they can force manufactures to sell signifigantly cheaper to them, "pass the savings" off to you elminating all competitiors. Great right? Until you want to open a store. Until you want to manufacture some socks. Walmart virtually elminates all businesses but boutquie shops.

I don't understand macro economics.

Maybe this will help. Say you have 10million dollars which is plenty of money to open your own wal-mart type store, lets call it jumpr-mart. Why should you be presented from day one with ZERO chance of success simply based on Wal-marts huge wholesale buy atvantages. They can buy champion tube socks 6 pack for $1.25 and then go on to sell them for $4.00 , it costs you $4.25 wholesale for the same damn socks. How can you compete with that? Stuff like this is happening.

 

[Ornery]

We've got a mom & pop TV shop, that's been here for 40 years. Did they dry up and blow away, when Sun Television, Best Buy, Circuit City and Walmart came to town? NOPE!

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: waggy
Do you really think that every place has to pay a living wage? do you know how much anything would cost if they did that? not to mention what is a living wage?

Well.. what happens to the economy, when people are employed, and they still cannot make a living wage? That seems to imply that they are also dependent on some sort of aid/welfare/etc. Doesn't that bother you at all, the possibility that because these stores don't pay a living wage, in order for their prices to be lower, that you will have to make up for that, via a portition of your taxes? If you're employed, and still can't "make a living" at it, then isn't that nearly a form of wage-slavery? Isn't that indeed the picture of the "company store"?

No i want them go to get a 40 hour a week job. IF that is NOT cutting it then they should get a part time job also. IF needed cut back on stuff. Stop buying crap that they do not need.

I want poeple to do what others do. GO get a education or get another job. Live within what you make. IF that is not enough get another job.

Wal-mart is paying what people will take. IF they were not then wal-mart could not find people. The local super center here pays MORE then Target, K-mart (closed now), the other grocer stores. They always have more then enough people working.

People need to start takeing care of themselves. IF they do something stupid younger it is NOT my job or wal-marts to support them.

 

[Zanix]

http://www.walmartwatch.com/

Found this.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: alent1234

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: jumpr
So you moved 36 MILES away from your work just to afford more home, and now you're COMPLAINING ABOUT WAL-MART? You are the epitome of suburban sprawl, and now you're complaining about the benefits of sprawl. Just stop.

Agreed. Stop bitching. Wal-Mart is not evil and they are only successful because people like you are hypocrites who whine about the evils of wal mart and then proceed to keep them in business.

In summary, STFU.

They should be broken up if our anti-trust laws mean anything. (which they don't) Simply by thier size and market position they can force manufactures to sell signifigantly cheaper to them, "pass the savings" off to you elminating all competitiors. Great right? Until you want to open a store. Until you want to manufacture some socks. Walmart virtually elminates all businesses but boutquie shops.

you are wrong

Best Buy, Target and a lot of other stores are still around since only a minority is willing to shop at wal mart. There have been real studies done and wal mart never captures more than 30% of any regional market. The other 70% is won by the retailers with efficient business models and the rest go out of business.

You're just comparing one monopoly for another nothing healthful about any of the companies you mentioned. If "efficient" means a small businessman like Sam Walden once was never has a chance again agianst huge wall-street box stores that's a trust.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Zanix
http://www.walmartwatch.com/

Found this.

This is what I was talking bout:

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/mostadmired/articles/0,15114,590782,00.html

Much better words.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Ornery
We've got a mom & pop TV shop, that's been here for 40 years. Did they dry up and blow away, when Sun Television, Best Buy, Circuit City and Walmart came to town? NOPE!

Service and big ticket items walmarts/circut city are not really good at. The level of technical expertise by the secretary at Mentor TV is probably better than Circut citys sales manager let alone installing thousands of dollars of home entertianment. We talking about nik-nacks, meds, hardware, the basics, sub-$200 items where people don't have to be wooed to buy, which all have but elminated mom and pop biz.

 

[alent1234]

if the mom and pop charges more why should people shop there? They don't even provide the same level of benefits as the big box stores

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Ornery
We've got a mom & pop TV shop, that's been here for 40 years. Did they dry up and blow away, when Sun Television, Best Buy, Circuit City and Walmart came to town? NOPE!

Well, the town that I live in, had several stores that had been operating as a family-owned business, for several generations (100 years old!), go out of business when Wal-Mart moved into town. It was kind of sad, that store was virtually a landmark.

 

[Ornery]

We talking about nik-nacks, meds, hardware, the basics, sub-$200 items where people don't have to be wooed to buy, which all have but elminated mom and pop biz.

So, the mom & pops shift to something the big stores can't do. That's exactly what Mentor TV did, and they're still in business... against all odds, according to Mr. Teplitsky!

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Ornery
We talking about nik-nacks, meds, hardware, the basics, sub-$200 items where people don't have to be wooed to buy, which all have but elminated mom and pop biz.

So, the mom & pops shift to something the big stores can't do. That's exactly what Mentor TV did, and they're still in business... against all odds, according to Mr. Teplitsky!

Ya and they have, but it's small segment of products and services you are limited to compete with. Almost all retail sales are from the cheap stuff, what places like CC, BB, walmart, Kmart, Home Depot, etc sell. Which is why we see almost excluvsily huge box stores selling these types of items and crushing lots of dreams in a huge market out of the gate due to impossible conditions. Not the money you got, but the market position of trusts like Walmart who sell goods below cost than those available to budding retailers wholesale.

 

[JACKHAMMER]

Originally posted by: alent1234
if the mom and pop charges more why should people shop there? They don't even provide the same level of benefits as the big box stores

I am sure they provide MORE in terms of customer service, warranty work, etc.

 

[Ornery]

Where are you going to draw the line with this theory? Should Dell and HP be cut off at the knees, because they can buy HUGE quantities of parts at cut rate prices?

At this point, consumers come out ahead buying Walmart or Dell products. At what point do you think these behemoths are going to crush the competition to the point they can raise prices beyond the current level?

 

[Zebo]

It's not my thoery. It's law found in Robinson-Patman Act which supposed to prevent price discrimmnation which wal-mart engage in big time
http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/other/patman.htm

And in anti-trust laws whos whole idea was so that organization of small units can effectively compete against each other, aka "American dream"

Why they did these things is many. Issues of fairness and opportunity on one hand, and protecting consumers on the other, when full monopolies take shape like Standard Oil or Alcoa.


I don't really have an answer for you, if it's a pure numbers game walmart wins, but I think huge box stores are generally bad for America, driving wages down, eliminating benefits, elminating competition, concentrating wealth (to the waltons mainly from the low paid and sometimes illegal employees), basically like many I question if low prices come at a social cost outweighing their benefits?

 

[Ornery]

OK, I've heard enough. Consumers benefit from Walmart BIG TIME, and not one single employee is forced to work there, so WTF is the problem?

I'm sick to death of being raped by mom & pop shops who are the only game in town. You see it in dangerous parts of big cities, where these grocers charge ludicrous prices for crap, because the locals have nowhere else to go. Fvck them. Walmart in their face! :|

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Ornery
What happens to the economy, when people are employed, and they still cannot make a living wage? :roll:

Forget it folks, it's pretty obvious this guy has a personal interest in the health and expansion of the Wally World Empire.

 

[Ornery]

Ornery the consumer says, "You got that right, CHUMP!"