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Eug Wanker

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Do not underestimate the power of Walmart.
MSNBC: How Wal-Mart's TV prices crushed rivals

Last "Black Friday," for its annual post-Thanksgiving sales blitz, Wal-Mart Stores decided to slash the price of one of the hottest electronics items for the holidays?the 42-inch flat-panel TV?to $988. The world's largest retailer had staked similarly audacious positions before, in numerous product categories, as part of its quest to remain U.S. retailing's "low-price leader." In turn, Wal-Mart's move caused a freefall in prices of flat-panel televisions at hundreds of retailers ? to the glee of many people who were then able to afford their first big-screen plasma or liquid-crystal-display model.

Now, it is becoming apparent that Wal-Mart's calculated decision to break the $1,000 barrier for flat-panel TVs triggered a disastrous financial meltdown among some consumer-electronics retailers over the past four months.

The carnage has one phrase written all over it ? the "Wal-Mart effect." For many electronics competitors, the experience with flat panels has been a replay of what happened in other businesses over the past two decades as Wal-Mart's business stature grew dramatically. The Bentonville, Ark. juggernaut's entry into the grocery business in the late 1980s and its ability to offer deep discounts led to the bankrupting of dozens of regional supermarkets over the next 15 years, including Florida-based Winn-Dixie Stores, Eagle Foods from Illinois, and Penn Traffic in Pennsylvania.



Originally posted by: zinfamous
yeah, you pretty much owned yourself with that wiki article, DaWhim. Your Chinese may be pretty good, but your English comprehension leaves something to be desired....
LOL :D


Originally posted by: Chris
At the rate Blu-Ray is selling, if these things ship in 2008, it will be too late. Especially with all the studio support behind BD.
You're right that timing is everything. I believe these will ship in the fall/winter of 2007 though.
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: Eug Wanker
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Do not underestimate the power of Walmart.
MSNBC: How Wal-Mart's TV prices crushed rivals

Last "Black Friday," for its annual post-Thanksgiving sales blitz, Wal-Mart Stores decided to slash the price of one of the hottest electronics items for the holidays?the 42-inch flat-panel TV?to $988. The world's largest retailer had staked similarly audacious positions before, in numerous product categories, as part of its quest to remain U.S. retailing's "low-price leader." In turn, Wal-Mart's move caused a freefall in prices of flat-panel televisions at hundreds of retailers ? to the glee of many people who were then able to afford their first big-screen plasma or liquid-crystal-display model.

Now, it is becoming apparent that Wal-Mart's calculated decision to break the $1,000 barrier for flat-panel TVs triggered a disastrous financial meltdown among some consumer-electronics retailers over the past four months.

The carnage has one phrase written all over it ? the "Wal-Mart effect." For many electronics competitors, the experience with flat panels has been a replay of what happened in other businesses over the past two decades as Wal-Mart's business stature grew dramatically. The Bentonville, Ark. juggernaut's entry into the grocery business in the late 1980s and its ability to offer deep discounts led to the bankrupting of dozens of regional supermarkets over the next 15 years, including Florida-based Winn-Dixie Stores, Eagle Foods from Illinois, and Penn Traffic in Pennsylvania.
That's insane. We've certainly seen CompUSA and Tweeter close countless stores, and did Circuit City close stores or just reduce the number of employees? My town just got our first Super Wal-Mart this past January, I don't see how our Jewel grocery store stands a chance of surviving. And I mean, the Jewel store is unionized, pays their employees well, guaranteed yearly raises, health insurance, 401k plans. But a box of cereal at Wal-Mart is a dollar cheaper and people are flocking to it. It's sad.
 

Eug Wanker

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Yeah, I'm not a big fan of Wal-Mart either. It's like shopping at the bus depot, and they pay their employees cr@p.

That said, if they sell electronics for 30% less than the cheapest competition, it's hard to argue with that as a consumer.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: Eug Wanker
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Do not underestimate the power of Walmart.
MSNBC: How Wal-Mart's TV prices crushed rivals

Last "Black Friday," for its annual post-Thanksgiving sales blitz, Wal-Mart Stores decided to slash the price of one of the hottest electronics items for the holidays?the 42-inch flat-panel TV?to $988. The world's largest retailer had staked similarly audacious positions before, in numerous product categories, as part of its quest to remain U.S. retailing's "low-price leader." In turn, Wal-Mart's move caused a freefall in prices of flat-panel televisions at hundreds of retailers ? to the glee of many people who were then able to afford their first big-screen plasma or liquid-crystal-display model.

Now, it is becoming apparent that Wal-Mart's calculated decision to break the $1,000 barrier for flat-panel TVs triggered a disastrous financial meltdown among some consumer-electronics retailers over the past four months.

The carnage has one phrase written all over it ? the "Wal-Mart effect." For many electronics competitors, the experience with flat panels has been a replay of what happened in other businesses over the past two decades as Wal-Mart's business stature grew dramatically. The Bentonville, Ark. juggernaut's entry into the grocery business in the late 1980s and its ability to offer deep discounts led to the bankrupting of dozens of regional supermarkets over the next 15 years, including Florida-based Winn-Dixie Stores, Eagle Foods from Illinois, and Penn Traffic in Pennsylvania.
That's insane. We've certainly seen CompUSA and Tweeter close countless stores, and did Circuit City close stores or just reduce the number of employees? My town just got our first Super Wal-Mart this past January, I don't see how our Jewel grocery store stands a chance of surviving. And I mean, the Jewel store is unionized, pays their employees well, guaranteed yearly raises, health insurance, 401k plans. But a box of cereal at Wal-Mart is a dollar cheaper and people are flocking to it. It's sad.


Hell...I took advantage and got my 42" plasma from BB on Black Friday :D

Don't forget what Wal-mart did to the poor pickle farmers :(
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: DaWhim
Originally posted by: Shawn
Originally posted by: Eug Wanker
Originally posted by: richardycc
where did you get the $50 from? the whole deal is worth $300000000 USD, so each player cost $150, and sells for $299.
You may be right about the $150.

However, that still suggests to me that Xmas 2007 will see Wal-Mart stocking HD DVD players for $199-249.


Originally posted by: DaWhim
i can read the article. walmart ordered 2 millions Blue-Ray HD-DVD players
No it doesn't. It says "blue light" HD DVD players. ie. Blue-laser HD DVD. If you weren't aware, both HD DVD and Blu-ray use blue-laser.

pwned

how so?


yeah, you pretty much owned yourself with that wiki article, DaWhim. Your Chinese may be pretty good, but your English comprehension leaves something to be desired....

Actually, I don't think his Chinese is all that good. It looks like he used an english-chinese dictionary and looked up blue ray :)


To be fair, it seems that the majority of the confusion comes from the Chinese use of the terms. As the press seems to be confused about it, it seems like an overall translation issue. You would think that as both are blue light technoligies, that the Chinese, in an effort to reduce redundancy (not that I should assume they would), would only use "blue light" when referring to Blue Ray; and perhaps that is simply their adoption of the term

But...since it appears to have been confirmed as HD...the person leaking this info was probably a bit clueless..

PLUS: DaWhim has the asian avatar..shouldn't he speak chinese by default? :D
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Don't forget what Wal-mart did to the poor pickle farmers :(
And I work right next-door to the only Claussen Pickle factory in existence, I know my pickles. ;)

If Wal-Mart wants to, hell, with Wal-Mart and Microsoft combining forces, they easily could throw the money into this el-cheapo player deal and practically give them away on black friday for $100, with 5 free movies. And in the aftermath, Wal-Mart decimates more competitors like it did this past holiday season, and what's left as the only remaining quality hd-dvd player? Why, none other than the xbox 360 elite with hd-dvd add-on! It's win-win for Sam & Bill, for risking mere pocket change. And if it fails? Wal-Mart gets to return stock to the manufacturer (because Wal-Mart can) and Microsoft just continues selling all other products for amazing profits. Basically, no risk at all to either company.

And the best of the best parts? No one else gets to sell these players, only Wal-Mart.

I got too much time on my hands to think these things out...



Of course, FOX could *easily* shift the tides over to blu-ray in a heartbeat by getting Lucas to release Star Wars. That would be game over, no el-cheapo player could ever compete with that. It basically shows that Wal-Mart, and really, a lot of other companies too have the power to "win" this war if they so choose. It's a matter of who's willing to take charge. Wal-Mart seems to be making its move, I'd be hard-pressed to think Sony doesn't have a backup plan, as a large portion of their company is resting on blu-ray and the PS3's success. This "bombshell" was not dropped on Sony when we all read about it, they likely knew this was coming a year ago. To believe Sony learned nothing from Betamax would be ignorance.


As a joke analogy, it's all like a presidential election. No matter how well the Republicans seem to be doing in the votes, there's always California sitting on the west coast ready to drop victory for the Democrats. ;)
 

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<---------------Waits for all the suckers to drop $200 + and find out 2 months later they are crap....:p


Have you not learned yet...you get what you pay for....;)
 

Eug Wanker

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
To be fair, it seems that the majority of the confusion comes from the Chinese use of the terms. As the press seems to be confused about it, it seems like an overall translation issue. You would think that as both are blue light technoligies, that the Chinese, in an effort to reduce redundancy (not that I should assume they would), would only use "blue light" when referring to Blue Ray; and perhaps that is simply their adoption of the term

But...since it appears to have been confirmed as HD...the person leaking this info was probably a bit clueless..
Apparently the use of the term "blue light HD DVD" is done on purpose, because are there are red-laser hi-def formats in China competing for acceptance.


Originally posted by: bababooey
<---------------Waits for all the suckers to drop $200 + and find out 2 months later they are crap....:p

Have you not learned yet...you get what you pay for....;)
I suspect they are based on the Broadcom Microsoft HD DVD reference design.

"One of the critical steps in bringing HD DVD to the mass market is driving down the price of the units while maintaining flawless quality," said Peter Besen, vice president, Consumer Electronics, Broadband Communications Group, from Broadcom. "Our BCM7440 chipset brings multiple processors, dual decoders and dedicated graphics engines to the table. Combined with the power of Windows CE 6.0, we're able to offer a complete reference design that dramatically reduces development time for our manufacturing partners." The Microsoft and Broadcom platform also ensures a high level of compliance with the HD DVD specification and compatibility with other HD DVD platforms, including the Xbox 360? platform. With fully functional HDi? interactivity and navigation software, and support for all mandatory HD DVD codecs including the industry-leading VC-1 codec, the hardware and software platform meets the requirements for the playback of advanced HD DVD interactive content already in production by leading Hollywood studios. Through the support of Lite-On, HD DVD will benefit from one of the most experienced systems integrators backing high volume consumer electronics manufacturers that offer customized OEM solutions. Combined with Jiangkui's experience as one of the largest high volume Chinese DVD manufacturers, the Microsoft and Broadcom platform is already poised to significantly impact the HD DVD landscape in 2007.

"We've seen strong sales of HD DVD players and movies so far, but using this new platform, companies can produce HD DVD players in record time, resulting in more choices for consumers," said Amir Majidimehr, corporate vice president of the Consumer Media Technology Group at Microsoft. "The power and high integration of BCM7440, combined with the Windows CE 6.0 HD DVD platform, results in even lower cost players for consumers than the high value products already in the market."



Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Don't forget what Wal-mart did to the poor pickle farmers :(
And I work right next-door to the only Claussen Pickle factory in existence, I know my pickles. ;)

If Wal-Mart wants to, hell, with Wal-Mart and Microsoft combining forces, they easily could throw the money into this el-cheapo player deal and practically give them away on black friday for $100, with 5 free movies. And in the aftermath, Wal-Mart decimates more competitors like it did this past holiday season, and what's left as the only remaining quality hd-dvd player? Why, none other than the xbox 360 elite with hd-dvd add-on! It's win-win for Sam & Bill, for risking mere pocket change. And if it fails? Wal-Mart gets to return stock to the manufacturer (because Wal-Mart can) and Microsoft just continues selling all other products for amazing profits. Basically, no risk at all to either company.
I don't think Wal-Mart is interested per se in shifting the war. They just want to sell something that will make them money, but undercutting the competition. They can do that with HD DVD. Currently the Chinese manufacturers don't have much access to Blu-ray, so any available Blu-ray players would be comparatively expensive.

Hell, not even the 20 GB PS3 is available anymore.
 

sdifox

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
To be fair, it seems that the majority of the confusion comes from the Chinese use of the terms. As the press seems to be confused about it, it seems like an overall translation issue. You would think that as both are blue light technoligies, that the Chinese, in an effort to reduce redundancy (not that I should assume they would), would only use "blue light" when referring to Blue Ray; and perhaps that is simply their adoption of the term

But...since it appears to have been confirmed as HD...the person leaking this info was probably a bit clueless..

PLUS: DaWhim has the asian avatar..shouldn't he speak chinese by default? :D

I disagree, in the press (maybe even in the industry), ?? is a short form for Blue Spectrum Laser (4 words). The trademarks Blue-Ray Discs and HD-DVD are always in English, since that is the trademark.

P.S. Not all Asians speak Chinese. Hell, not all Chinese speak Mandarin :)
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: zinfamous
To be fair, it seems that the majority of the confusion comes from the Chinese use of the terms. As the press seems to be confused about it, it seems like an overall translation issue. You would think that as both are blue light technoligies, that the Chinese, in an effort to reduce redundancy (not that I should assume they would), would only use "blue light" when referring to Blue Ray; and perhaps that is simply their adoption of the term

But...since it appears to have been confirmed as HD...the person leaking this info was probably a bit clueless..

PLUS: DaWhim has the asian avatar..shouldn't he speak chinese by default? :D

I disagree, in the press (maybe even in the industry), ?? is a short form for Blue Spectrum Laser (4 words). The trademarks Blue-Ray Discs and HD-DVD are always in English, since that is the trademark.

P.S. Not all Asians speak Chinese. Hell, not all Chinese speak Mandarin :)


I was being facetious. Expressing blatant, and intentional ignorance ;)
 

sdifox

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: zinfamous
To be fair, it seems that the majority of the confusion comes from the Chinese use of the terms. As the press seems to be confused about it, it seems like an overall translation issue. You would think that as both are blue light technoligies, that the Chinese, in an effort to reduce redundancy (not that I should assume they would), would only use "blue light" when referring to Blue Ray; and perhaps that is simply their adoption of the term

But...since it appears to have been confirmed as HD...the person leaking this info was probably a bit clueless..

PLUS: DaWhim has the asian avatar..shouldn't he speak chinese by default? :D

I disagree, in the press (maybe even in the industry), ?? is a short form for Blue Spectrum Laser (4 words). The trademarks Blue-Ray Discs and HD-DVD are always in English, since that is the trademark.

P.S. Not all Asians speak Chinese. Hell, not all Chinese speak Mandarin :)


I was being facetious. Expressing blatant, and intentional ignorance ;)

And I am being a pain in the butt, what's your point? :)
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: zinfamous
To be fair, it seems that the majority of the confusion comes from the Chinese use of the terms. As the press seems to be confused about it, it seems like an overall translation issue. You would think that as both are blue light technoligies, that the Chinese, in an effort to reduce redundancy (not that I should assume they would), would only use "blue light" when referring to Blue Ray; and perhaps that is simply their adoption of the term

But...since it appears to have been confirmed as HD...the person leaking this info was probably a bit clueless..

PLUS: DaWhim has the asian avatar..shouldn't he speak chinese by default? :D

I disagree, in the press (maybe even in the industry), ?? is a short form for Blue Spectrum Laser (4 words). The trademarks Blue-Ray Discs and HD-DVD are always in English, since that is the trademark.

P.S. Not all Asians speak Chinese. Hell, not all Chinese speak Mandarin :)


I was being facetious. Expressing blatant, and intentional ignorance ;)

And I am being a pain in the butt, what's your point? :)


grrr :|
 

Eug Wanker

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Panasonic is pissed about hybrid players.

Last week's CED Industry Newsletter:

Blu-ray stalwart Panasonic brutalized LG for its combo at the latest DVD Forum Steering Committee meeting, we're told. From transcripts we've seen, Panasonic accused LG of breach of contract for offering a combo player, and said it should be censured for doing so. LG blithely thanked Panasonic for bringing publicity to its combo -- and said its lawyers would respond. In what seemed an exchange of spite, LG split ranks with its Blu-ray compatriots by voting in favor of all HD DVD measures before the SC -- rather than abstaining, as the pragmatic Korean companies usually had.
 

lupi

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Just heard a story about this from the WSJ. Seems Wal-Mart actually does intend to help steer the market to maintain a dominant prescience in the DVD business (apparently one of their hi customer in the door items when they offer subsidized-cost DVD sales).
 
As for what they could do to market share, remember this is the company where Mrs. Sammy W's 8% stock ownership would have generated a $7 billion tax hit if those stocks were not given to charity.
 
Never underestimate the power of China-Mart   ;)
 

Eug Wanker

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Do you have a link the WSJ article? In the meantime:

Correction Statement

We are sorry to correct the statement that we have two million HD-DVD players order from Wal-Mart and manufactured by China Great Wall Group. The actuality is that we had not received yet. We are asked to provide the schedule to Wal-Mart and cost to determine the quantity even more than two million, if the cost is good enough and timing is correct. So the capacity is under consideration. Any qualified manufactured base group will be welcome.


http://www.fuhyuan.com/ev/action/main.asp?news_id1=34123&Action=Show
 

Eug Wanker

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Originally posted by: Eug Wanker
Do you have a link the WSJ article? In the meantime:

Correction Statement

We are sorry to correct the statement that we have two million HD-DVD players order from Wal-Mart and manufactured by China Great Wall Group. The actuality is that we had not received yet. We are asked to provide the schedule to Wal-Mart and cost to determine the quantity even more than two million, if the cost is good enough and timing is correct. So the capacity is under consideration. Any qualified manufactured base group will be welcome.


http://www.fuhyuan.com/ev/action/main.asp?news_id1=34123&Action=Show
BTW, I read this as:

"We are negotiating with Wal-Mart on selling them HD DVD players, but have not yet signed anything. If we do sign something, it could be for more than 2 million players."

Thus, it seems Fuh Yuan might just have pissed Wal-Mart off royally. It's clear that Wal-Mart is very interested in a huge HD DVD player order, but I could see Wal-Mart negotiating with multiple low cost Chinese manufacturing companies, signing with someone else, and then just leaving Fuh Yuan in the dust. (Two other Chinese companies already had announced they were making HD DVD players for 2007.)

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
While the U.S. seems to be concentrated on the BR - HD-DVD battle, the rest of the world is starting to pay attention to a third competing format.

Most people don't realize, but licensing rights and replication/manufacturing arrangements can make or break a product, and this is exactly the Achilles heel for BR and HD-DVD formats, once you start looking beyond hardware (players).

Futuristic and affordable!
HD VMD was dead before it even started. Well, that may be a little harsh. It could stay around as a small niche format, in the already small HD niche.
 

sdifox

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Originally posted by: Eug Wanker
Do you have a link the WSJ article? In the meantime:

Correction Statement

We are sorry to correct the statement that we have two million HD-DVD players order from Wal-Mart and manufactured by China Great Wall Group. The actuality is that we had not received yet. We are asked to provide the schedule to Wal-Mart and cost to determine the quantity even more than two million, if the cost is good enough and timing is correct. So the capacity is under consideration. Any qualified manufactured base group will be welcome.


http://www.fuhyuan.com/ev/action/main.asp?news_id1=34123&Action=Show

I guess they are suicidal after all :)... Way to go, piss off Walmart...
 

Eug Wanker

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Well, at least this confirms once and for all that they were talking specifically about HD DVD and not Blu-ray. :p

In the meantime, those with inside info are claiming that this is actually a signed deal:

This is my best understanding of the situation. If you don't like it or are looking for concrete absolute confirmation, its not here, as no one I talked or messaged with can publicly confirm anything, and Wal-Mart probably won't say anything until these things are in stores. Some things are in progress and will have adjustments as time goes on.

This is based on information from several trusted sources. The mods have information on some of them. No one will go on the record, but the information is consistent from many sources.

If you think I am full of it, this won't change your mind. If you generally trust me as providing the best information I can to AVS, then realize I'm putting some credibility on the line here. Its possible I am being feed innacurate information, but unlikely as several unrelated people all basically agree. That being said, obviously situations can change in the future.

Ok, disclaimers being done, here's how I understand it from people who know about it.

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The Fuh Yuan base deal is done. They will be producing HD DVD players for Wal-Mart.

No one says the deal hasn't been done yet or that the initial order will not be completed. The posting on their web site is a bit confusing, and may be an attempt to stop people form contacting them directly.

I don't know about the significance of the recent post on their site, but it does not affect the base deal. That is in progress and sub-contracts have been made and finalized.

They are looking for the best price and availability they can give to Wal-mart for deliveries above the base amount.

Initial confirmed order quantities are over 1 Million units, its probable the 2 Million units initially mentioned in the first Fuh Yuan press release is the base number. Fuh Yuan has been asked to give quotes and estimates on how quickly numbers above the base quantity can be delivered next year.

Early estimates of full scale mass production in August were evaluated and found to be somewhat aggressive and possibly over optimistic. Physical assembly or staffing or the physical facility is not the issue, a short delay is SoC software related. Plant will be producing at that time but full scale production may slip until October, with initial batch quantities of 5-10 thousand units required to be available in the first week or so of October.

Recent meetings between Fuh Yuan and Broadcom engineers revised the schedule and engineering considerations have lead to the late August to early October production schedule slippage.

Fuh Yuan is making the chassis and loader and doing assembly.

Decoder chip and other silicon being supplied by Broadcom, probably the reference design announced at CES, or a derivative.

The optical unit is based on a Toshiba HD DVD unit design and is being manufactured by the TDK hardware unit under contract.

Wal-Mart has certified the China Great Wall manufacturing facility for Wal-Mart (probably for compliance with stuff like personnel management and environmental considerations) .

Probable limited production runs available in mid-late Oct in some selected Wal-Mart stores. Wal-Mart under control obviously of when they first start to sell the players, but some limited production available to them in October.

I have conflicting information on when the initial 2 million orders is scheduled to be delivered by. One source says all by end of 2007. Several others say, some in October, a lot (around 1 million or so ) by EOY 2007, with the rest in early 2008. The quantity produced by the end of the year may be dependent on the production throughput of the plant which is not known yet.

Its possible that under 50% of the initial 2 M units may be available by the end of the year. Big volume is expected in 2008 and as of now more than 50% of the 2M order is expected after the EOY.

Last Friday Fuh Yuan had a major meeting with Broadcom, perhaps feedback from Broadcom was the reason for the August to October full scale production delay. Broadcom may have to spin the chip or may have a delay in the completion of the embedded software or perhaps Broadcom wanted a bit of room in the overall software schedule.



Several other SoC player deals for HD DVD are now in the works. This isn't the only deal being worked on, though it is one of the largest and obviously significant because it involves Wal-Mart.

All major SoC guys like Broadcom and Sigma are working now on HD DVD solutions. Sigma's Blu-ray SoC solution is available but any units using it will not be in production before this Fuh Yuan device hits the shelves.

My sources for this include several prominent hardware guys in the industry that have been known as being creditable before and are both involved and non-involved in some aspect of the deal. The mods here know some names, but I cannot reveal the sources.
 

Eug Wanker

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Wal-Mart Shoots Down Cheap HD DVD Rumor

A spokesperson for the company said Thursday that reported leak concerning Taiwan-based consumer electronics manufacturer, Fuh Yuan, partnering with TDK in China to manufacture the $250-299 players, had no merit. The report first appeared in AVS Forums, and was picked up by other Web sites.

"The article? was full of inaccuracies and we had no participation in it," the spokesman said in an e-mail to PC Magazine. "Most of the facts, including the purchase, were untrue," she added. "Not sure how it originated."

When asked to comment specifically on a statement appearing on Fuh Yuan's site http://www.fuhyuan.com/ev/action/, which implies the retailer is at least interested in ordering the players, the spokesperson said she could not comment on or disclose Wal-Mart's internal business with suppliers and our orders. However, the supplier said that no deal was imminent.
 

cubby1223

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And this article here:
http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/070420/8/d6ex.html

uses keywords as "blue dvd", "50gb", and "American manufacturers ordering 2 million units".

What does it all mean? It means we're in for a bumpy ride. This format war is not being decided this Christmas. Hopefully this crap will be over before both formats are obsolete (they're already on a sales decline from Netflix & increased HD movie channels on cable & satellite).