And once again, that is where you're mistaken. These three studios will not miss out on billions of dollars in revenue if HD-DVD hits the mainstream and Blu-Ray doesn't; they'll go neutral. Just the same way, if Blu-Ray hits the mainstream and HD DVD doesn't, Universal will go format neutral.
And once again, that is where you're mistaken. These three studios will not miss out on billions of dollars in revenue if HD-DVD hits the mainstream and Blu-Ray doesn't; they'll go neutral. Just the same way, if Blu-Ray hits the mainstream and HD DVD doesn't, Universal will go format neutral.
spacejamz
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Even if they mean nothing now, I would rather have the blu ray numbers, studio support, player base than whatever HD DVD has going for it.
Enjoy the head to head comparisons on Amazon...
Blu Ray is winning every category....
Wonder why Amazon stocks about 56k blu ray movies and only 14.3k HD DVD movies? I wonder if it is because they don't think they will sell as well as blu ray
ethebubbeth
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There's going to be a lot of big releases in both camps soon... The Matrix trilogy is coming out in a couple of weeks on HD-DVD and if I recall correctly, The Lord of the Rings trilogy is going to be HD-DVD as well (not sure on that).
Why the hell do you keep trying to convince me that Blu-Ray is going to win? I personally couldn't care less who wins out in the end as long as the HD wars get settled sooner rather than later.
FWIW: I have a 360 HD-DVD player (just to tide me over until the war is done) and have no intention of buying movies since I netflix the content I want.
spacejamz
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and how do you know that you are not mistaken????
Disney, Fox and Sony are not going to be making any HD DVD disks any time soon...If you really think this, you are only fooling yourself.
All three of them want to see an end to the format war and would prefer to only have one format...
How many pissed off consumers do you think there will be when the big titles that are coming out this summer won't play on HD DVD? We are society that craves instant gratification, so they won't want to wait until next year.
HD DVD is already ticking off some consumers because some of them get confused because they think they have HD DVD because they have watch regular DVD's on their HIGH DEF tv, so they go buy an HD DVD disk and then learn it doesn't play intheir DVD player. I am sure that does wonders for customer relations...
where did you get the $50 from? the whole deal is worth $300000000 USD, so each player cost $150, and sells for $299.
Holy crap. Some people are claiming that the proper translation of the article states that $50 is the manufacturing cast for the entire player, not just the bare drive. Can anyone confirm this?
They also say the $299 is just the list price that would be the target now. Things will change come Xmas.
$199 players, here we come (for 2007).
There are probably 300000-400000 HD DVD players out there right now.
There are probably close to 3 MILLION Blu-ray players out there, almost ten times as many players as HD DVD players, yet movie software sales are close. Why is that? Cuz the vast majority of Blu-ray players out there were bought by gamers, and most of them aren't buying movies.
Indeed, a Paramount guy estimates that it takes approximately 5 PS3s to equal one HD DVD player in terms of movie disc sales. I think that's fair assessment. In fact, given the numbers I've quoted above, it may even be a bit generous for the PS3.
2007 will be an interesting year. Console sales for the PS3 will not accelerate quickly, but standalone HD DVD player sales will, especially if the $199 price target is achieved by Wal-Mart.
As I've said before, given all the various variables, we're continuing to head towards a stalemate, and I look forward to that $299 combo Blu-ray/HD DVD player come 2008.
They also say the $299 is just the list price that would be the target now. Things will change come Xmas.
$199 players, here we come (for 2007).
It's interesting to note that the top 10 has Blu-ray just barely ahead of HD DVD at the moment, even with Blu-ray's so-called large player base.
There are probably 300000-400000 HD DVD players out there right now.
There are probably close to 3 MILLION Blu-ray players out there, almost ten times as many players as HD DVD players, yet movie software sales are close. Why is that? Cuz the vast majority of Blu-ray players out there were bought by gamers, and most of them aren't buying movies.
Indeed, a Paramount guy estimates that it takes approximately 5 PS3s to equal one HD DVD player in terms of movie disc sales. I think that's fair assessment. In fact, given the numbers I've quoted above, it may even be a bit generous for the PS3.
2007 will be an interesting year. Console sales for the PS3 will not accelerate quickly, but standalone HD DVD player sales will, especially if the $199 price target is achieved by Wal-Mart.
As I've said before, given all the various variables, we're continuing to head towards a stalemate, and I look forward to that $299 combo Blu-ray/HD DVD player come 2008.
It's going to be a crazy-long time before Sony would even begins to go format neutral, though, so hd-dvd will *always* be missing out on a decent number of movies. So what's there to do besides just wait out the low cost combo players?
As for the topic of this thread, I like the idea of players dropping in price, though I really would rather not want the format war decided by who can put out the cheapest, lowest quality players first.
I think this is the company website: http://www.fuhyuan.com/
the thing I am most interested from the article is that they are going public 2nd qr of next yr.
the thing I am most interested from the article is that they are going public 2nd qr of next yr.
spacejamz
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Last Sunday was the one year aniversary of the release of HD DVD, so alot of HD DVD supporters planned a group buy thing for the 15th (on avsforums in the high def software section ...there was a spike in which HD DVD went ahead of blu ray in the amazon rankings which lasted for a few days...the ratings are going back to where they were before the weekend. It will be interesting to see the Nielsen ratings tomorrow to see what effect this sale had.
It's simple economics, studios are there to make money, not to cheerlead their preferred format into oblivion. Either format can scream at the top of their lungs about their supposed advantages; in the end, what matters is where customers go with their dollars. You may be right that Blu-Ray ends up being the dominant format, but to do that, IMHO they had better keep up with HD-DVD on the price front or they will lose, content or not.
There was an interesting comment on AVSforum today from a poster that was of the opinion that if HD DVD (or Blu-Ray) prices fall fast enough, it'll eventually become a "feature" on regular DVD players. For an extra $50 you'll be able to buy a DVD player that plays these fancy new discs as a bonus.
I'll post this here but this comment goes for both you and spacejamz
Isn't that how the VHS/Betamax war ended? Didn't Sony go format neutral (and even VHS only) in that one as well?
Those numbers are a slanted at the moment. AVS forums got a group of people together and buy maybe 200 hd-dvds on one day, and with current sales numbers, that small number of purchases makes a huge temporary swing. But you look at the Amazon sales figures that were skewed, almost all of the purchases were *pre-orders*, so these are sales that (1) will not occur for months, (2) will reduce sales numbers later in the year, and (3) can still be canceled at any time. The PS3 forums are planning retaliation this Saturday placing a lot of pre-orders of blu-ray movies among many PS3 owners.
It just shows how easily those Amazon sales numbers are manipulated to show false trends. The format war will not be won by a small blip in the charts, but it gives backers reason to celebrate for a week I guess.
DivideBYZero
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I am pretty sure it is about 2 million blu-ray hd-dvd player. they used "blu-ray" in chinese for that article.
"??" HD-DVD??? = "blu-ray" hd-dvd player
now, you guys can reverse the argument. lol
Where'd you get that number from...your butt cheeks? You're forgetting the allocations for overhead, advertising, etc. It might wash out at about 20% of that figure, when all is said and done. The investment value on that, would tell a much brighter story.
DivideBYZero
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You may be right about the $150.
However, that still suggests to me that Xmas 2007 will see Wal-Mart stocking HD DVD players for $199-249.
No it doesn't. It says "blue light" HD DVD players. ie. Blue-laser HD DVD. If you weren't aware, both HD DVD and Blu-ray use blue-laser.
lol, great job at extrapolating a short-run trend into something more than it is. Considering that the HD-DVD library released in the last couple months was rather thin and very fat in the next couple months, I'd say that you are wrong.
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Where'd you get that number from...your butt cheeks? You're forgetting the allocations for overhead, advertising, etc. It might wash out at about 20% of that figure, when all is said and done. The investment value on that, would tell a much brighter story.
I got it directly out of the article, if you can not read chinese, then STFU.
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