AstroManLuca
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Oh wow, I didn't even know what you were getting at until DixyCrat explained.
However, I'd say George W. Bush was most definitely the best politician for the Democrats since Nixon at least, if not of all time.
Originally posted by: DixyCrat
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
Are you really self identifying as a dixiecrat??
Why not just come out and say you don't want one of dem uppity negra's in office?
Thank you for noticing, and no.
If you look at my sig:
No.. not a dixI crat, a dixY crat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixy_Lee_Ray
you will see I am more interested in the surprisingly conservative first female governor of Washington.
Ah I see. Well, carry on then
Actually, when I said ....
I meant it literally, not figuratively - though I see your points.
The issue revolves around the practical nature of their presidencies - not 'labels' of Con or Lib.
Clinton certainly functioned as the most fiscally conservative president in 2 generations - even if you disagree with his singular tax increase. It amounted to 0.5% of GDP. It took 7 years but brought the Federal budget into effective balance using the tax increase and PayGo offsets.
He signed NAFTA and welfare reform and shut down the gov't (making Newt look like the dumb arse he was). He gets partial credit for the RIF of the military which actually started under Bush41.
Aside from being a paranoid freak-scum and graduate from the Dook School of Law, Nixon ended the Vietnam War (he took his sweet-ass time about it). He sign SALT1 and the ABM treaties with the Rooskies and played ping pong diplomacy with those Red Commies in China.
His domestic policy was was nothing short of liberal. The SCOTUS forced his hand into completing school desegregation. He signed the EPA into law and established OSHA. Federal offices that are the bane to Cons today were established under Tricky Dickard. He provided direct cash to local gov't with GRS. He even instituted wage and price controls (which was a really stoopid thing to do) and took the US off the Gold Standard.
I kinda laff when people claim Obama as some type of wild-arse liberal. His policies are far more revenue/spending neutral than McCain's pandering tax cuts and voodoo economics. Obama is smart and pragmatic enough to understand his place in history and his policies will reflect that - and the suck-ass current condition of the country will demand it thanks to the 'conservative' turds of the last 8 years.
I meant it literally, not figuratively - though I see your points.
The issue revolves around the practical nature of their presidencies - not 'labels' of Con or Lib.
Clinton certainly functioned as the most fiscally conservative president in 2 generations - even if you disagree with his singular tax increase. It amounted to 0.5% of GDP. It took 7 years but brought the Federal budget into effective balance using the tax increase and PayGo offsets.
He signed NAFTA and welfare reform and shut down the gov't (making Newt look like the dumb arse he was). He gets partial credit for the RIF of the military which actually started under Bush41.
Aside from being a paranoid freak-scum and graduate from the Dook School of Law, Nixon ended the Vietnam War (he took his sweet-ass time about it). He sign SALT1 and the ABM treaties with the Rooskies and played ping pong diplomacy with those Red Commies in China.
His domestic policy was was nothing short of liberal. The SCOTUS forced his hand into completing school desegregation. He signed the EPA into law and established OSHA. Federal offices that are the bane to Cons today were established under Tricky Dickard. He provided direct cash to local gov't with GRS. He even instituted wage and price controls (which was a really stoopid thing to do) and took the US off the Gold Standard.
I kinda laff when people claim Obama as some type of wild-arse liberal. His policies are far more revenue/spending neutral than McCain's pandering tax cuts and voodoo economics. Obama is smart and pragmatic enough to understand his place in history and his policies will reflect that - and the suck-ass current condition of the country will demand it thanks to the 'conservative' turds of the last 8 years.
AstroManLuca
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I see your points, heyheybooboo, but I think the message suffers when you apply the "Republican" and "Democrat" labels to various presidents based on modern stereotypes of the parties. These parties have changed a lot as our country has changed. It would be better to use terms like "liberal" and "conservative," or better yet to break those past presidents down to the specific areas in which they were conservative or liberal.
What you are saying, I think, is that Clinton was more fiscally conservative than many Republican presidents, while Nixon was more socially (or perhaps I should say diplomatically) liberal than many Democratic presidents.
What you are saying, I think, is that Clinton was more fiscally conservative than many Republican presidents, while Nixon was more socially (or perhaps I should say diplomatically) liberal than many Democratic presidents.
BoomerD
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ROFL!! Dixy Lee Ray...I haven't heard that name in quite a while.
I lived in Washington when she was Governor. In 1980, (her last year as Governor) she had the "misfortune" of being Governor when Mt. St. Helens went off...which killed the Washington economy for a couple of years. Coupled with the economic crisis that defined much of the Carter years, times weren't so good for us back then.
The construction industry in Western Washington did pretty well with the clean-up and rebuilding of the damage caused by the volcanic eruption, but those of us in Eastern Washington nearly starved out as she diverted all state funds to the western side of the state.
Even so, I hold no disrespect for her. She did what she had to do under difficult times. :thumbsup:
I lived in Washington when she was Governor. In 1980, (her last year as Governor) she had the "misfortune" of being Governor when Mt. St. Helens went off...which killed the Washington economy for a couple of years. Coupled with the economic crisis that defined much of the Carter years, times weren't so good for us back then.
The construction industry in Western Washington did pretty well with the clean-up and rebuilding of the damage caused by the volcanic eruption, but those of us in Eastern Washington nearly starved out as she diverted all state funds to the western side of the state.
Even so, I hold no disrespect for her. She did what she had to do under difficult times. :thumbsup:
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