Waiting for ...... wikileaks

[JS80]

maybe a hold-over from the days of like telegrams and morse code?

That's the conclusion i came to.

 

[hal2kilo]

That's the conclusion i came to.

teletype

 

[irishScott]

BTW, the site is back up, but you can't get at the data.

Wikileaks addresses this on their twitter page.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Stop reading this thread. You might see something classified.

I didn't say I don't find these leaks interesting, informative and somewhat amusing. It's just that this information should not be in the public domain. Now that it is, though... :biggrin:

 

[hal2kilo]

That's the conclusion i came to.

teletype

Holy double post delayed, Batman!

 

[PrinceofWands]

I'm sure the regular Iran apologists will be here shortly.

And everyone working for wikileaks should be shot. No judge. No jury.

Anyone sharing that view should be shot immediately as a traitor to country, and mankind. I'd be HAPPY to pull the trigger myself. Near-absolute transparency is the first requirement of sustainable government. Until we have truth, we have nothing.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Me thinks that some government...not necessarily ours...will soon make that WikiLeaks guy have an accident of sorts...

 

[Craig234]

Me thinks that some government...not necessarily ours...will soon make that WikiLeaks guy have an accident of sorts...

We have a lot of murderers on our forum (people who support it). George Orwell wouldn't have had the balls to write about a state where the people demand killing dissenters.

 

[yllus]

I've been keeping up with the leaks all day and haven't seen anything yet that's actually harmful to the U.S. or any other country. Is Berlusconi going to be surprised that he's considered vain or Medvedev upset that he's considered second fiddle to Putin? They aren't dumb enough to not know what people think of them.

I thought WikiLeaks' characterization of that gunship footage of the "journalists" as murder was totally wrong, but these dumps I'm okay with. Governments are in love with classifying information for little to no reason.

Wired Magazine - ‘Chipped’ Detainees, Iran Mega-Missiles And More in Latest WikiLeaks

King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia told a senior White House official to consider surgically implanting homing devices under Guantanamo Bay detainees’ skin. That’s one of the many potentially embarrassing comments from diplomatic back rooms now being made public by WikiLeaks.

During a March 2009 meeting with John Brennan, President Obama’s closest counterterrorism adviser, Abdullah proposed shooting electronic chips into the residual Guantanamo population, “allowing their movements to be tracked with Bluetooth.” Abdullah appears to have come up with the idea on the fly during their meeting — “I’ve just thought of something,” the cable quotes him saying — and considered forced subcutaneous chip implantation uncontroversial, since it’s already “done with horses and falcons.”

Brennan appears to have gingerly waved him off: “[H]orses don’t have good lawyers,” he replied, “but agreed that keeping track of detainees was an extremely important issue that he would review with appropriate officials when he returned to the United States.”

That’s a particularly bizarre proposal revealed inside the third large trove of U.S. secrets the radical anti-secrecy organization WikiLeaks has published in the last six months. This current one — reported on Sunday by the New York Times, Der Spiegel, and the Guardian — centers around more than 250,000 U.S. diplomatic communications, earning the dump a furious condemnation from the State Department and the White House. Our sister blog Threat Level first reported in June that WikiLeaks got ahold of the cables, and reports today on the U.S. information-sharing initiative that made the leak possible.

Perhaps the most worrisome news to come out the diplo doc dump is that North Korea secretly gave Iran 19 powerful missiles with a range of 2,000 miles. The missiles, known as the BM-25, are modified from Russian R-27s, which were submarine-based missiles carrying nuclear weapons. “If fired from Iran,” the New York Times notes, a missile with that range could “let its warheads reach targets as far away as Western Europe, including Berlin.” The BM-25, unveiled in a North Korean military parade last month, may be North Korea’s longest-range missile yet. Ares’ David A. Fulgham observed that its design “is showing second-stage and nose-cone design characteristics associated with Iran’s Shahab 3 missile,” indicating growing missile ties between the two rogue states.

No wonder why European leaders are suddenly so keen on missile defense. And no wonder why so many of the leaders of the Arab Middle East are increasingly freaked out by Iran’s growing conventional arsenal — and nuclear program.

Bahrain’s King Hamad argued last November “for taking action to terminate [Iran's] nuclear program, by whatever means necessary,” one cable reads. Sounding like George W. Bush, Hamad told General David Petraeus, “The danger of letting it go on is greater than the danger of stopping it.” In the same meeting with Brennan, Abdullah said he declined an invitation to visit Iran from its foreign minister, saying instead, “All I want is for you to spare us your evil.”

A crown prince of the United Arab Emirates is said to be “somewhat incredulous” of U.S. claims that Iran may not be aiding Yemeni rebels, and laments that “our focus on Al Qaeda has caused us to lose sight of the bigger picture of Iranian adventurism.” Pakistani journalist Mosharraf Zaidi tweets, “Arab leaders are like high school bitches.”

Obama ordered diplomats to spy on Canada

OTTAWA - The Obama administration ordered diplomats to spy on foreign governments and dignitaries – including here in Canada – as a way to provide key biographical data to the Central Intelligence Agency.

The July 2009 directive to embassies around the world, including the one in Ottawa, asked diplomats to go beyond collecting the usual information of name, title and phone number. Diplomats were also asked to pass along “Internet and intranet ‘handles,’ Internet e-mail addresses, web site identification-URLs, credit card account numbers, frequent flyer account numbers, work schedules and other relevant biographical information.”

 

[GTaudiophile]

We have a lot of murderers on our forum (people who support it). George Orwell wouldn't have had the balls to write about a state where the people demand killing dissenters.

See, you mistake my comment for tacit approval. I am neither approving nor condemning such action. I am just saying, this guy is throwing rocks at several bee hives...and it won't be long before he gets stung by a US bee, Chinese bee, German bee, Israeli bee, or Iranian bee, etc...if said governments can cooperate to create STUXNET, this guy is nothing by comparison.

 

[Modelworks]

Me thinks that some government...not necessarily ours...will soon make that WikiLeaks guy have an accident of sorts...

He has insurance against that. He released a set of files a few days ago that are password protected to the public as torrents. Thousands of copies are now thought to exist. Should he be killed he has set it up that the password is to be released. The information in the insurance file is said to the most damaging of anything released so far.

 

[Modelworks]

I've been keeping up with the leaks all day and haven't seen anything yet that's actually harmful to the U.S. or any other country.

This is pretty harmful

Saleh did not have any objection, however,
to General Petraeus' proposal to move away from the use of
cruise missiles and instead have U.S. fixed-wing bombers
circle outside Yemeni territory, "out of sight," and engage
AQAP targets when actionable intelligence became available.
Saleh lamented the use of cruise missiles that are "not very
accurate" and welcomed the use of aircraft-deployed
precision-guided bombs instead. "We'll continue saying the
bombs are ours, not yours," Saleh said, prompting Deputy
Prime Minister Alimi to joke that he had just "lied" by
telling Parliament that the bombs in Arhab, Abyan, and Shebwa
were American-made but deployed by the ROYG.

 

[misle]

Me thinks that some government...not necessarily ours...will soon make that WikiLeaks guy have an accident of sorts...

They already tried to accuse him of rape...

 

[Drift3r]

These current round of leaks are more damning to those who are mentioned in the diplomatic cables. They leak information on heads of states and their middle-men who would have no problem sending a hit squad to take out the Wikileaks founder and their staff.

In the end these diplomatic cable leaks just validates the the rough and dangerous nature of world politics and the scum that rule most of these 3rd world nations. Along with the back stabbing and double dealing against the US and its interest as we attempt to deal with other nations to rid the world of Islamic terrorism. Nothing in these leaks have changed my view that if we were removed as the top dog in the world that those who would replace us (China primarily) would do any better and if I would hazard to guess our replacement would do a whole lot worse then we have as a world leader among nations and they would not be ashamed to crush those who got in the way. So continue on with the "I hate America" mantra and the wikileaks founder can got rot in hell for all the damage he is doing to the US and our intelligence and diplomatic efforts.

 

[NoStateofMind]

These current round of leaks are more damning to those who are mentioned in the diplomatic cables. They leak information on heads of states and their middle-men who would have no problem sending a hit squad to take out the Wikileaks founder and their staff.

In the end these diplomatic cable leaks just validates the the rough and dangerous nature of world politics and the scum that rule most of these 3rd world nations. Along with the back stabbing and double dealing against the US and its interest as we attempt to deal with other nations to rid the world of Islamic terrorism. Nothing in these leaks have changed my view that if we were removed as the top dog in the world that those who would replace us (China primarily) would do any better and if I would hazard to guess our replacement would do a whole lot worse then we have as a world leader among nations and they would not be ashamed to crush those who got in the way. So continue on with the "I hate America" mantra and the wikileaks founder can got rot in hell for all the damage he is doing to the US and our intelligence and diplomatic efforts.

Anyone who supports transparency hates America. Got it.

 

[yllus]

This is pretty harmful

You and I may agree with the purpose and targets of the bombings, but if we're considering this neutrally, it's hard to argue that the Yemeni people don't have a right to know who's up there causing death to their fellow countrymen. And it's still really no big surprise.

I agree with The Guardian:

US embassy cables: The job of the media is not to protect the powerful from embarrassment

Insofar as they are sensational, it is in showing the corruption and mendacity of those in power, and the mismatch between what they claim and what they do.

...

The job of the media is not to protect power from embarrassment. If American spies are breaking United Nations rules by seeking the DNA biometrics of the UN director general, he is entitled to hear of it. British voters should know what Afghan leaders thought of British troops. American (and British) taxpayers might question, too, how most of the billions of dollars going in aid to Afghanistan simply exits the country at Kabul airport.

...

The money‑wasting is staggering. Aid payments are never followed, never audited, never evaluated. The impression is of the world's superpower roaming helpless in a world in which nobody behaves as bidden. Iran, Russia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, the United Nations, are all perpetually off script. Washington reacts like a wounded bear, its instincts imperial but its power projection unproductive.

America's foreign policy is revealed as a slave to rightwing drift, terrified of a bomb exploding abroad or of a pro-Israeli congressman at home. If the cables tell of the progress to war over Iran or Pakistan or Gaza or Yemen, their revelation might help debate the inanity of policies which, as Patterson says, seem to be leading in just that direction. Perhaps we can now see how catastrophe unfolds when there is time to avert it, rather than having to await a Chilcot report after the event. If that is not in the public's interest, I fail to see what is.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Anyone sharing that view should be shot immediately as a traitor to country, and mankind. I'd be HAPPY to pull the trigger myself. Near-absolute transparency is the first requirement of sustainable government. Until we have truth, we have nothing.

Stupid, deranged or just naive, whatever of these you are I wish you good luck with your endeavors in life.

Now for the fun part:

1. Turkish government portrays as a ring of insane Muslims with very limited understanding of global policies;
2. Iran used Red Cross ambulances to smuggle weapons into Lebanon;
3. Iran has way more advanced missiles than previously thought, provided by North Korea, and capable of precision targeting of EU capitals as well as carrying a nuclear warhead;
4. Arab leaders urged US to take out Iran; Some even went as far as to suggest Israel should do it (imagine that!)
5. Russia offered Israel to fuck up Iran on the S-300 batteries deal in exchange for getting Israeli UAV technologies

This, my friends, is gold. And that fool Lemon Law thinks Israel is going to the war with the West over the Palestinians, eh.
This material just shows what undercurrents are operating in our world, and how very little do we really know.

 

[Drift3r]

Anyone who supports transparency hates America. Got it.

Undermining our diplomatic efforts is undermining America.

How wonderful are these releases when we are dealing with North Korea and asking them stop their shenanigans but then they can now point to illegally released classified documents in which South Korea and US diplomats are discussing what to do when their regime falls? This idiot is throwing gas onto smoldering logs all over the world.

 

[LegendKiller]

Anyone who supports transparency hates America. Got it.

This simplistic world view is symptomatic of Paul and his followers. Those who think we live on an island or in a simple world are also those who have the least ability to deal with bigger issues and the complexity of life.

This type of shit is akin to forcing every company in the US to not only record board of director meetings but also release them into the public for investors to disseminate.

Obviously you and your ilk fail to grasp the implications of this.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Anyone who supports transparency hates America. Got it.

What about transparency in military operations? Where does it end? Why should the US play from a disadvantaged position because some idiots with a small penis syndrome want to know everything?

 

[PrinceofWands]

Undermining our diplomatic efforts is undermining America.

How wonderful are these releases when we are dealing with North Korea and asking them stop their shenanigans but then they can now point to the documents in which South Korea and US diplomats are discussing what to do when their regime falls? This idiot is throwing gas onto smoldering logs all over the world.

The patriot is exposing the idiocy of those elected to serve as our representation. The stupidity is in the acts themselves, not the revealing of them so that change can be petitioned for.

 

[PrinceofWands]

This simplistic world view is symptomatic of Paul and his followers. Those who think we live on an island or in a simple world are also those who have the least ability to deal with bigger issues and the complexity of life.

This type of shit is akin to forcing every company in the US to not only record board of director meetings but also release them into the public for investors to disseminate.

Obviously you and your ilk fail to grasp the implications of this.

mmmmm I cannot imagine the beauty of such a thing. Talk about a one-shot to rainbows and unicorns.

 

[yllus]

Stupid, deranged or just naive, whatever of these you are I wish you good luck with your endeavors in life.

Now for the fun part:

1. Turkish government portrays as a ring of insane Muslims with very limited understanding of global policies;
2. Iran used Red Cross ambulances to smuggle weapons into Lebanon;
3. Iran has way more advanced missiles than previously thought, provided by North Korea, and capable of precision targeting of EU capitals as well as carrying a nuclear warhead;
4. Arab leaders urged US to take out Iran; Some even went as far as to suggest Israel should do it (imagine that!)
5. Russia offered Israel to fuck up Iran on the S-300 batteries deal in exchange for getting Israeli UAV technologies

This, my friends, is gold. And that fool Lemon Law thinks Israel is going to the war with the West over the Palestinians, eh.

This material just shows what undercurrents are operating in our world, and how very little do we really know.

And the world is improved by us (the people) not knowing the five points you listed?

 

[LegendKiller]

The patriot is exposing the idiocy of those elected to serve as our representation. The stupidity is in the acts themselves, not the revealing of them so that change can be petitioned for.

What change? Do you really think that the world will get any different? Do you really think that the US will be able to do anything but the same thing in light of the issues?

You are utterly naive.

I have a hard time thinking that any of the founding fathers would agree that diplomatic dispatches to/from France or any other country that aided us to become independent, should be allowed to be released to the public in the name of "transparency" and "change".

Get a fucking grip.

 

[PrinceofWands]

What about transparency in military operations? Where does it end? Why should the US play from a disadvantaged position because some idiots with a small penis syndrome want to know everything?

It's not a game, or a contest. Everyone has a right to exist within their own borders free from harassment and/or interference. We're not trying to rule the world, and anyone who is should be executed immediately.

In America we don't elect rulers, we elect representatives. That means we need to know what's going on to properly steer them to the course we desire. It all begins with truth. Until we have it, we have NOTHING.