Waiter added tip on credit card bill

[IEC]

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: dainthomas
How much of your time is $5 worth? Between posting this thread and spending god knows how long on the phone with credit card/corporate office/some restaurant manager, then apparently quite a bit. For peanuts like that I'd chalk it up to lesson learned and write "cash" next time.

It has nothing to do with the money.

If a waiter added a tip when they weren't supposed to, they just stole from him. Personally, I would do whatever I needed to do to make sure that waiter was fired. If that didn't work, I might wait outside the restaurant to see which car was his, then put a brick through his window. Or his face.

:thumbsup:

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: JS80
I hate waiters and tipping. I'm currently in the process of creating a startup that will hopefully make waiters obsolete in 10-20 years.

never move out of your parent's place?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: dainthomas
How much of your time is $5 worth? Between posting this thread and spending god knows how long on the phone with credit card/corporate office/some restaurant manager, then apparently quite a bit. For peanuts like that I'd chalk it up to lesson learned and write "cash" next time.

It has nothing to do with the money.

If a waiter added a tip when they weren't supposed to, they just stole from him. Personally, I would do whatever I needed to do to make sure that waiter was fired. If that didn't work, I might wait outside the restaurant to see which car was his, then put a brick through his window. Or his face.

:thumbsup:

yeah let's assault or damage property.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: dainthomas
How much of your time is $5 worth? Between posting this thread and spending god knows how long on the phone with credit card/corporate office/some restaurant manager, then apparently quite a bit. For peanuts like that I'd chalk it up to lesson learned and write "cash" next time.

It has nothing to do with the money.

If a waiter added a tip when they weren't supposed to, they just stole from him. Personally, I would do whatever I needed to do to make sure that waiter was fired. If that didn't work, I might wait outside the restaurant to see which car was his, then put a brick through his window. Or his face.

Dis.

Thuggin fo' lyfe

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: dullard
Sabot, I'd first wait to see if that is the final charge on the CC. When restaurants swipe the card, they frequently add a tip to make certain that you have enough credit limit to pay a typical tip. Then, when you actually tip the manager later corrects the billing to match your tip. This process can take several days. Thus, it is frequent that there is an incorrect amount on your CC online statement before this correction comes through.

If that correction never comes through, then follow the instructions (exactly) on your CC bill. They tell you step by step what to do to get your money back. First you try to settle the issue with the mananger. If that fails, you are required to mail a complaint letter (the text is specified by federal laws).

Originally posted by: cronos
Is there a reason why people like to leave their tip in cash?

I've never done it.

Basically, it is a tactic (usually used by former waiters) to help other waiters scam the system.

Some restaurants subtract the CC fees from the waiter's tip. So, if you are in a restaurant like that, you pay $5 and the waiter gets $5*97% = $4.85 and the CC company gets $5*3% = $0.15. Of course, not all restaurants do that to their staff.

Also, some waiters perfer to not pay income tax (illegal). If you put the tip in cash, the government will never have any record of the tip. If you tip on a CC, the government has the chance to find out about the tip.

The drawback is that you have to carry a CC and cash with you. Also, you don't get your 1%-5% CC cash rewards. So, you are losing money in hopes that the waiter may get a bit more tip. And finally, it leads to more risk in cases like the OP in this thread.

This ignore the fact that a tip is a gift and the amount is so far below IRS limits as to be laughable.
If you're tipping above that, you've got plenty of money.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: dullard
Sabot, I'd first wait to see if that is the final charge on the CC. When restaurants swipe the card, they frequently add a tip to make certain that you have enough credit limit to pay a typical tip. Then, when you actually tip the manager later corrects the billing to match your tip. This process can take several days. Thus, it is frequent that there is an incorrect amount on your CC online statement before this correction comes through.

If that correction never comes through, then follow the instructions (exactly) on your CC bill. They tell you step by step what to do to get your money back. First you try to settle the issue with the mananger. If that fails, you are required to mail a complaint letter (the text is specified by federal laws).

Originally posted by: cronos
Is there a reason why people like to leave their tip in cash?

I've never done it.

Basically, it is a tactic (usually used by former waiters) to help other waiters scam the system.

Some restaurants subtract the CC fees from the waiter's tip. So, if you are in a restaurant like that, you pay $5 and the waiter gets $5*97% = $4.85 and the CC company gets $5*3% = $0.15. Of course, not all restaurants do that to their staff.

Also, some waiters perfer to not pay income tax (illegal). If you put the tip in cash, the government will never have any record of the tip. If you tip on a CC, the government has the chance to find out about the tip.

The drawback is that you have to carry a CC and cash with you. Also, you don't get your 1%-5% CC cash rewards. So, you are losing money in hopes that the waiter may get a bit more tip. And finally, it leads to more risk in cases like the OP in this thread.

This ignore the fact that a tip is a gift and the amount is so far below IRS limits as to be laughable.
If you're tipping above that, you've got plenty of money.

wrong. you must tell your employer how much in tips you make. anything above $20 a month is taxible and needs to be listed ont axes (and it staxed at a decent rate)

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: rbV5
Why do you have to carry a credit card + cash or think it must be some sort of scam? Some people like me, prefer to use cash to pay for meals at restaurants, simple as that.

Context, man, context. This entire thread is about paying the restaurant bill with the CC and the tip with cash. So, my response was regarding paying the bill with the CC and the tip with cash. My response does not apply to your situation.

Except, paying in cash prevents the same sort of issue from happening in the first place.

3 places I never use my CC; Restaurant, grocery store, gas station....especially on vacation.

LOL and those are the places you get your best cashback. Up to 5% with many cards.

Yeah really. Hell I use my CC for a cup of coffee at 7-11. In terms of convenience, it's much more convenient than running to the bank every 3-4 days, or worrying about finding my bank's ATM in an unknown area to avoid extra fees, or worry about carrying around large sums of cash with me all the time. I can understand worrying about restaurants for reasons such as the topic of this thread, but grocery stores? Gas stations? What exactly is the reason for caution at those places?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: dullard
This ignore the fact that a tip is a gift and the amount is so far below IRS limits as to be laughable.
If you're tipping above that, you've got plenty of money.

Most waitstaff rely on the tips to provide their income...I don't get that statement.

There is some talk out on tax forums that a tip is a 'gift' so not taxable. It may work if you COULD track who gave you each tip and what other gifts they gave during that year/lifetime.

Waiters can't so that's where the burden falls then.

What gets reported and by who depends on the restaurant. Some GM's want totals nightly, some don't care and leave it up to the server to report. I am sure that somewhere they put something down in their books...a good GM will know about what an average staffer pulls in in a night.

I think the problem with tip discussions on ATOT is that 1) many aren't quite real adults yet and don't understand life and 2) they didn't really work in a restaurant ever.

I usually tip generously when someone serves me well...to many of today's waiters act like the customer is a PITA.