Wait, so if drugs are legalized...

[BoberFett]

Darwinism is a bitch.

Republicans don't believe in evolution and Democrats spend trillions fighting it. Either way we're fucked.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

...wouldn't all the money going outside the country now stay within and stimulate the economy? Go agriculture!

If we legalized drugs, it would be an economic boon to us, not just because we would recapture that money by growing our own drugs, but also because our government would no longer be wasting the billions and billions of dollars it spends every year on the drug war, criminal prosecutions, and expensive incarceration.

 

[MotF Bane]

So let me get this right. If we legalize drugs, the criminals associated with the drugs will start singing in my choir? Bullshit!! You're about 13 years old mentally if you believe this. Take your Pokemon and you My Little Pony oloring book and go back to school.

I JUST took an informal poll (of my kids). The question asked is: If we make drugs legal what will drug dealers, like the ones in Mexico do for a living? The youngest (still in grade school by the way) said "They'll kill somebody else for money....Isn't that what they do?" My oldest (High school) added that since drugs are legal they'll be controlled by corporations which will raise prices so drug sales will stay where they are now, and criminals will just become executives and mobsters. Dopers will still be dopers.

It is not the others in the thread who are mentally thirteen years old. I suggest you locate a mirror.

The uninformed opinions of children do not form the basis for valid arguments. It's a common logical fallacy.

 

[xj0hnx]

I'm under the personal belief that drugs should be legal inside your home. Now doing cocaine off a table at Mcdonalds should not be legal.

Just like pounding a bottle of whiskey is not legal at McDonalds.

 

[BoberFett]

Just like pounding a bottle of whiskey is not legal at McDonalds.

It should be, at McDonald's discretion. If McDonald's wants drunks hanging out there why shouldn't they be able to choose to? It might not help their family friendly business model though.

 

[SlitheryDee]

I do think the benefits would outweigh the drawbacks. This is a wildly popular topic on the Internet, yet it gets no traction when put to an actual vote. I really don't understand it.

 

[ShawnD1]

It should be, at McDonald's discretion. If McDonald's wants drunks hanging out there why shouldn't they be able to choose to? It might not help their family friendly business model though.

You can't drink in public for the same reason you can't do cocaine in public. There's always that 1% of people who need to be killed and the other 99% of us are too cowardly to enforce death penalties for things that 1% does. That 1% of people include:
-angry sports dad
-angry minivan driver dad
-angry i just lost my job dad
-angry because the president is black dad
-angry because his wife is now sleeping with a black man dad

If we could stop being retarded and just kill all the undesirables, we could finally have the freedom our founding fathers wanted. Back then, they really did kill people who did dumb shit. You steal some guy's cattle --> death. You break into a house --> death. You get drunk and start a fight with the town sheriff --> death.

I do think the benefits would outweigh the drawbacks. This is a wildly popular topic on the Internet, yet it gets no traction when put to an actual vote. I really don't understand it.

People who vote typically don't use the internet. That's why they're so fucking retarded. Instead of google searching things like "how to treat a burn" they put petroleum jelly on a kid's burn, which makes it worse and causes permanent damage. Again, we need the death penalty for people who don't use the internet.

 

[airdata]

I do think the benefits would outweigh the drawbacks. This is a wildly popular topic on the Internet, yet it gets no traction when put to an actual vote. I really don't understand it.

It's because most people, and most voters are ignorant and have skewed views of important topics like the 'war on drugs'.

You tell the american public that people smoking a joint are supporting terrorism... you're going to get a high percentage buying it.

Tell the same people that the government facilitates the production and import of harder drugs like heroin and cocaine and they think you're full of shit.

 

[bfdd]

shawnd1 I am always in here telling people they put way to high a value on life,

 

[Craig234]

I do think the benefits would outweigh the drawbacks. This is a wildly popular topic on the Internet, yet it gets no traction when put to an actual vote. I really don't understand it.

Change often takes a lot of time even after popular support develops. Part of it is just caution, the idea you get voted against more easily for change than leaving it alone.

 

[Chaosblade02]

It would put the Mexican Cartels out of business. It would be so easy to make money growing marijuana that I would quit my skilled trade position and be a full time marijuana farmer. My cousin knows all about hydroponics, and cloning. He has the know how, and I got the money to get started. I think me and him would go in business. I would be delighted if they legalized marijuana. I got some money saved up, I would setup a couple greenhouses and setup some hydroponics systems. I am also skilled in welding, carpentry, so I could buy the frame for the greenhouse and assemble it myself, or make my own frame. Thermal insulated glass would be very expensive, I might have to start out with something more simple at first, and use some of my profits to upgrade.

Also another idea for a greenhouse would be to take a trailer, buy one that is cheap, and worn out and remodel it into a greenhouse. Completely strip it out, knock all of the interior walls out and put a glass roof in. All of the electric and plumbing that you need would be there. Or you could work off what is already there. And it would be easy enough to setup heating and air inside. You could even leave a room inside intact and make it your office.

Legalize Marijuana and make me an entrepreneur!!! I don't even smoke the stuff anymore, but I would still grow it if I could make money at it.

 

[xj0hnx]

It would put the Mexican Cartels out of business. It would be so easy to make money growing marijuana that I would quit my skilled trade position and be a full time marijuana farmer. My cousin knows all about hydroponics, and cloning. He has the know how, and I got the money to get started. I think me and him would go in business. I would be delighted if they legalized marijuana. I got some money saved up, I would setup a couple greenhouses and setup some hydroponics systems. I am also skilled in welding, carpentry, so I could buy the frame for the greenhouse and assemble it myself, or make my own frame. Thermal insulated glass would be very expensive, I might have to start out with something more simple at first, and use some of my profits to upgrade.

Also another idea for a greenhouse would be to take a trailer, buy one that is cheap, and worn out and remodel it into a greenhouse. Completely strip it out, knock all of the interior walls out and put a glass roof in. All of the electric and plumbing that you need would be there. Or you could work off what is already there. And it would be easy enough to setup heating and air inside. You could even leave a room inside intact and make it your office.

Legalize Marijuana and make me an entrepreneur!!! I don't even smoke the stuff anymore, but I would still grow it if I could make money at it.

You'd be behind the curve, there's already a TON of people legally growing, not too mention the tobacco industry, not to be left out, would almost certainly convert some existing resources to growing weed.

 

[Howard]

It would put the Mexican Cartels out of business. It would be so easy to make money growing marijuana that I would quit my skilled trade position and be a full time marijuana farmer. My cousin knows all about hydroponics, and cloning. He has the know how, and I got the money to get started. I think me and him would go in business. I would be delighted if they legalized marijuana. I got some money saved up, I would setup a couple greenhouses and setup some hydroponics systems. I am also skilled in welding, carpentry, so I could buy the frame for the greenhouse and assemble it myself, or make my own frame. Thermal insulated glass would be very expensive, I might have to start out with something more simple at first, and use some of my profits to upgrade.

Also another idea for a greenhouse would be to take a trailer, buy one that is cheap, and worn out and remodel it into a greenhouse. Completely strip it out, knock all of the interior walls out and put a glass roof in. All of the electric and plumbing that you need would be there. Or you could work off what is already there. And it would be easy enough to setup heating and air inside. You could even leave a room inside intact and make it your office.

Legalize Marijuana and make me an entrepreneur!!! I don't even smoke the stuff anymore, but I would still grow it if I could make money at it.

It would be worth much less once legalized...

 

[xj0hnx]

It would be worth much less once legalized...

This. Half the reason behind the cost is transportation to the end user. A kilo of coke probably starts at around $10, by the time it hits the stateside street dealer that kilo is ranging around $15,000-$20,000, and has been cut five times.

 

[Chaosblade02]

You'd be behind the curve, there's already a TON of people legally growing, not too mention the tobacco industry, not to be left out, would almost certainly convert some existing resources to growing weed.

Not in my state. At least until they change some laws.

 

[xj0hnx]

Not in my state. At least until they change some laws.

Maybe not in your state, but if it's legalized there's a lot of companies with the infrastructure already in place to supply the nation. Though you'd probably do ok anyway, don't forget about the licensing that will accompany being a grower.

I am curious how the legalizing of the harder drugs would work. There would probably be a new market for stores that sell them since I doubt places like Walgreens would want to sell meth, cocaine, or heroin. Also, since a lot of medications, pain killers, are pretty much all derived from the same source as heroin, how would that work with people that are prescribed pain killers? Would insurance no longer cover them if they were legal, and available OTC, or would insurance pick up the tab for people that wanted to use pharmaceutical heroin instead of OxyContin? Hmmmm....

 

[ShawnD1]

Maybe not in your state, but if it's legalized there's a lot of companies with the infrastructure already in place to supply the nation. Though you'd probably do ok anyway, don't forget about the licensing that will accompany being a grower.

You'll probably only need licensing for distribution. Sort of like how I can make my own wine, but I can't sell it without a license. It's also illegal to distill my own wine.

It should be legal to grow cocaine and opium. They're just plants.

 

[xj0hnx]

You'll probably only need licensing for distribution. Sort of like how I can make my own wine, but I can't sell it without a license. It's also illegal to distill my own wine.

Clarify please. You can make your own wine, but it's illegal to distill? How does that work? I was actually thinking more of things like dealing with the FDA, right now growers have to be licensed and inspected to make sure that their product is safe for consumption iirc.

It should be legal to grow cocaine and opium. They're just plants.

Pretty sure it is legal to grow the plants, but as soon as you try to harvest the goodies it becomes a felony (not sure about coca plant). I know you can grow Poppies, but if you score them, or consume them it's a crime. There is a however a process to extract both cocaine, and opium, and then to turn the raw opium into a usable chemical, depending on how you do it, there are a few different processes.

 

[ShawnD1]

Clarify please. You can make your own wine, but it's illegal to distill? How does that work? I was actually thinking more of things like dealing with the FDA, right now growers have to be licensed and inspected to make sure that their product is safe for consumption iirc.

Serious? You didn't know making moonshine was illegal? :awe:
Didn't you wonder why them Duke boys was always on the run?

It should probably be illegal for people to try doing solvent extractions on cocaine plants. I know it's hard to enforce such a law, but it's nice to keep it on the books for those times when some idiot blows a house up because he was trying to extract using ether but he was in a poorly ventilated basement while doing it.

 

[Chaosblade02]

Maybe not in your state, but if it's legalized there's a lot of companies with the infrastructure already in place to supply the nation. Though you'd probably do ok anyway, don't forget about the licensing that will accompany being a grower.

I am curious how the legalizing of the harder drugs would work. There would probably be a new market for stores that sell them since I doubt places like Walgreens would want to sell meth, cocaine, or heroin. Also, since a lot of medications, pain killers, are pretty much all derived from the same source as heroin, how would that work with people that are prescribed pain killers? Would insurance no longer cover them if they were legal, and available OTC, or would insurance pick up the tab for people that wanted to use pharmaceutical heroin instead of OxyContin? Hmmmm....

The harder drugs would have to have a heavy tax burden placed on them so they don't become too popular. You can still make it illegal to produce drugs like Meth without a license. Meaning the trailer park meth lab will still get shut down. And considering there will be over the counter forms of meth, the demand and motivation for people to do that will be much less.

What they could do with the prescriptions is technically have those medications as "prescription only" but there would be over the counter varieties that you could get without one, which would be watered down versions.

 

[xj0hnx]

Serious? You didn't know making moonshine was illegal? :awe:
Didn't you wonder why them Duke boys was always on the run?

No, I know that, it just didn't make sense the way I read it.

It should probably be illegal for people to try doing solvent extractions on cocaine plants. I know it's hard to enforce such a law, but it's nice to keep it on the books for those times when some idiot blows a house up because he was trying to extract using ether but he was in a poorly ventilated basement while doing it.

If it were legal to make, and sell then they could use the real chemicals needed and not have to substitute whatever solvent they had access to, and it could be done in a lab environment, as opposed to some tent in the woods. Much safe to make, and much safer for the end user.

 

[xj0hnx]

The harder drugs would have to have a heavy tax burden placed on them so they don't become too popular. You can still make it illegal to produce drugs like Meth without a license. Meaning the trailer park meth lab will still get shut down. And considering there will be over the counter forms of meth, the demand and motivation for people to do that will be much less.

If you make the tax burden too heavy then there's no point in legalizing it in the first place as there will still be a black market for the underground, cheaper drugs. Thing is, they aren't going to get more popular, the people that try it would try it anyway, and it would be lessened to an extent because it wouldn't be as rebellious. The point is to take the profits away from the cartels, and lower the end user cost to help lower crime, and make them safer. The prices would come down a lot as a lot of the cost is paying to transport them. Even with a decent tax on them they would be cheaper than they are now by a long shot.

What they could do with the prescriptions is technically have those medications as "prescription only" but there would be over the counter varieties that you could get without one, which would be watered down versions.

I don't see prescriptions for recreational drugs working. They use prescriptions now for "dangerous drugs" that someone needs for a medical condition, you don't need a prescription for alcohol, why would you need one for cocaine?

 

[maluckey]

If you make the tax burden too heavy then there's no point in legalizing it in the first place as there will still be a black market for the underground, cheaper drugs. Thing is, they aren't going to get more popular, the people that try it would try it anyway, and it would be lessened to an extent because it wouldn't be as rebellious. The point is to take the profits away from the cartels, and lower the end user cost to help lower crime, and make them safer. The prices would come down a lot as a lot of the cost is paying to transport them. Even with a decent tax on them they would be cheaper than they are now by a long shot.



I don't see prescriptions for recreational drugs working. They use prescriptions now for "dangerous drugs" that someone needs for a medical condition, you don't need a prescription for alcohol, why would you need one for cocaine?

I'll entertain this game...I'm half asleep and just got back from the gym, so bear with me....So now, if a drug is recreational, has no prescription, and costs MORE (because most all things grown or manufactured require CASH, and only coporations have that sort of cash) They will charge what the traffic will bear. And you honestly believe that the govt won't take a larger portion to balance the budget? What about addicts? Where will they get their money to buy the drugs that are more adictive than alcohol?. After all you can quit alcohol without dying. Try cold-turkey crack or Heroin...tell me that a crackhead won't kill for a fix....and that all the bad men will stop being bad because you took their livelyhood.

Have you EVER been to a real prison? I have. I've met people in there who would kill you for less than a meal at Mcdonalds. Do you think that they care that drugs are legal? They will begin another trade, thus making the net gain from this a negative. Addicts aren't addicts because the stuff is illegal, and criminals are criminal because it's their nature. Your wanting to smoke dope or snort coke doesn't change what THEY are. I wish it would...

In a perfect world where everyone is responsible...( big dream there) I'd LOVE to see no laws as far as what you could do to yourself. This is not that world, and everyday we get more people per square inch and everyday what I do affects more people. It's a sad place and I wish it was different, but clicking my heels and wishing for home gets me nothing.

I'm not in Kansas anymore........and Toto is just a character in a book.

 

[Howard]

I'll entertain this game...I'm half asleep and just got back from the gym, so bear with me....So now, if a drug is recreational, has no prescription, and costs MORE (because most all things grown or manufactured require CASH, and only coporations have that sort of cash) They will charge what the traffic will bear. And you honestly believe that the govt won't take a larger portion to balance the budget? What about addicts? Where will they get their money to buy the drugs that are more adictive than alcohol?. After all you can quit alcohol without dying. Try cold-turkey crack or Heroin...tell me that a crackhead won't kill for a fix....and that all the bad men will stop being bad because you took their livelyhood.

Have you EVER been to a real prison? I have. I've met people in there who would kill you for less than a meal at Mcdonalds. Do you think that they care that drugs are legal? They will begin another trade, thus making the net gain from this a negative. Addicts aren't addicts because the stuff is illegal,a and criminals are criminal because it's their nature. Your wanting to smoke dope or snort coke doesn't change what THEY are. I wish it would...

In a perfect world where everyone is responsible...( big dream there) I'd LOVE to see no laws as far as what you caould do to yourself. This is not that world, and everyday we get more people per square inch and everyday what I do affects more people. It's a sad place and I wish it was different, but clicking my heels and wishing for home gets me nothing.

I'm not in Kansas anymore........and Toto is just a character in a book.

I have to say, what you've posted is pretty much irrefutable, but for the wrong reasons. Can you be a little more logical about how you lay out your argument? Perhaps even an abbreviated essay format might work.

Wait, I think this gets my point across better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PL3pyG6rh0

 

[xj0hnx]

I'll entertain this game...I'm half asleep and just got back from the gym, so bear with me....So now, if a drug is recreational, has no prescription, and costs MORE (because most all things grown or manufactured require CASH, and only coporations have that sort of cash) They will charge what the traffic will bear. And you honestly believe that the govt won't take a larger portion to balance the budget?

It doesn't matter if they put a decent size tax on it because if they were made here prices would be much lower, especially considering there would be actual market competition, just like there are with other drugs. In case you didn't know, once patents expire the price of drugs drops dramatically as other companies can make their versions, and offer generics. So say a legally made recreational eight ball of cocaine that normally cost $120 on the black market would be able to be manufactured at pennies on the dollar, and even taxed to the hilt would be able to be sold for a massive profit at $30.

What about addicts? Where will they get their money to buy the drugs that are more adictive than alcohol?. After all you can quit alcohol without dying. Try cold-turkey crack or Heroin...tell me that a crackhead won't kill for a fix....and that all the bad men will stop being bad because you took their livelyhood.

You are obviously pretty ignorant on this subject, alcohol withdrawal can be deadly. It is way more physically addictive than cocaine, and it's derivatives like crack. Doctors have told my step mother that she would most likely die if she stopped drinking cold turkey. Opiate (heroin) withdrawals are pretty hellish, but very rarely are they deadly.

Have you EVER been to a real prison? I have. I've met people in there who would kill you for less than a meal at Mcdonalds. Do you think that they care that drugs are legal? They will begin another trade, thus making the net gain from this a negative. Addicts aren't addicts because the stuff is illegal,a and criminals are criminal because it's their nature. Your wanting to smoke dope or snort coke doesn't change what THEY are. I wish it would...

I know plenty of people like that, too many in fact. The fact that drugs are illegal is in fact what makes many people into "criminals". The fact that they have to get them from illegal source, and deal with a criminal underworld. Yes, there's a lot of criminals that do drugs, and they would be criminals no matter what, whether drugs are legal, or illegal, but there are MANY that aren't criminal other than their affiliation with the channels drugs go through now. And btw, most of the worst people I know don't do anything other than drink alcohol. Meth is about the only drug I have seen that has caused the level of violence and chaos as alcohol.