Wait for the r520 or buy a 7800gtx?

[Killrose]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: munky
Unless Ati has been sleeping on the job for the last few years, it damn better match the gf7 to say the least. Assuming they didnt hire a bunch of lazy a$$es that designed the FX cards, chances are if a card comes out a few months later, it would be better than the one that came out earlier.

You haven't been paying attention:

ATI has NEVER matched nVidia. They bought a company and product that was poised to match nVidia (ArtX/R300) and rode on that for two year. Those are the only two years since the Riva 128 was launched way back in 1997 that ATI has surpassed nVidia in both features and performance. They were second or third all the other years.

So it's no "given" that they will come up with a competitive product.

The only time nvidia surpassed ati in BOTH features and performance was in the gf4 and earlier days. After that came the 9700/9800, which was a win for ati, and during the x800/x850 days, nvidia had more features (aka sm3 and HDR), but it did not have the same level of performance in a single card. Only with SLI did nvidia get the performance crown, but for twice as much money.

Munky, that's exactly what I said? My point was that you can't necessarily expect ATI to put out a competitive product when they lost the Riva 128, TNT 1, TNT2, GF1, GF2, GF3, G4 gen and were outclassed on the 6800 gen. They only really won the 9700P/9800P gen with a product they bought from an American company. To presume they will have a better part than the 7800GTX because it's coming out later is a guess at best, I haven't heard of them buying another chip to sell, so they may be headed back to second place to stay. 3dfx and Rendition were kicking them around before nVidia.
You guys give ATI WAY too much credit when all they've really done that is first tier is buy ArtX?

Rollo, you are forgeting the 32mb and 64mb Radeons. Though they had a tough time at first because Ati was still struggling thru the pre-Cat driver era, they were very competitive to the GF1 and the GF2. And if you were into IQ, they were far better then either of their nVidia counterparts.

I had several GF1's and pitted against a 32mb Radeon1 I had, they could not deliver the same eye-candy, and though they may have beat the Radeon by a few frames in benches, the Radeon could keep a higher avreage framerate.

 

[BFG10K]

Yeah, the original Radeon was a nice piece of hardware. Among other things it offered free 16xAF which is something nVidia didn't get until the NV4x series. Also it was the first card with bandwidth saving techniques and it also had very simple shader capabilities.

Unfortunately it was held back by 2 pixel pipelines and bad drivers, and at that time nVidia's drivers were absolutely superb.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Killrose
Rollo, you are forgeting the 32mb and 64mb Radeons. Though they had a tough time at first because Ati was still struggling thru the pre-Cat driver era, they were very competitive to the GF1 and the GF2. And if you were into IQ, they were far better then either of their nVidia counterparts.

I had several GF1's and pitted against a 32mb Radeon1 I had, they could not deliver the same eye-candy, and though they may have beat the Radeon by a few frames in benches, the Radeon could keep a higher avreage framerate.

Haven't forgotten, I had both of those cards. The two pipeline architecture couldn't keep up with the GF2s four pipelines. (The Radeons came out after the GF2 BTW- not the GF1. The sequence of product launches that year was GF2>VIVO>V5 I believe)
Nonetheless, I liked the VIVO pretty much.

IQ on GF1s and GF2s was variable from manufacturer to manufacturer because nVidia had looser standards for OEMS back then and some used cheap RF filters IIRC. So if you had a Leadtek you could have better than ATI quality, if you had a PNY you would have worse. Had nothing to do with the GPU.

 

[XPG Greg]

I believe the question was what should he get, not what cards did better than the others previous generations. I remember when Nisan trucks were crap. Right now the Nissan Titan is the worlds #1 demanded truck. A few years ago Chrysler couldn't make a car that held its value at all. Now they are the highest rated company for resale value on new vehicles.

ATI and Nvidia have always been competitive in some nature, otherwise one would have failed. They're each competing for a fanbase at the very least. Targeted toward the same people. That's competition, so to say that ATI hasn't been competitive is 'ignorarrogance' as I like to call it. It's obvious Rollo is an Nvidia fanboy, so you're not going to get a subjective opinion from him. He's obviously not in the industry either because he keeps referencing ATI purchasing the chip that held them "up top", but he failed to mention there cooperation on the design of said chip.

You can get X850XT-PE's on ebay right now for dirt cheap. I say get one unless you don't plan on upgrading for another 12 months. If that's the case, hold off for the chips to fall in September/November. Gotta love pre-holiday price wars.

 

[gvayl]

I suggest buying 2 7800 make SLI...then get 2 R520s to make crosfire and play games on them at the same time.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: XPG Greg
I believe the question was what should he get, not what cards did better than the others previous generations. I remember when Nisan trucks were crap. Right now the Nissan Titan is the worlds #1 demanded truck. A few years ago Chrysler couldn't make a car that held its value at all. Now they are the highest rated company for resale value on new vehicles.

ATI and Nvidia have always been competitive in some nature, otherwise one would have failed. They're each competing for a fanbase at the very least. Targeted toward the same people. That's competition, so to say that ATI hasn't been competitive is 'ignorarrogance' as I like to call it. It's obvious Rollo is an Nvidia fanboy, so you're not going to get a subjective opinion from him. He's obviously not in the industry either because he keeps referencing ATI purchasing the chip that held them "up top", but he failed to mention there cooperation on the design of said chip.

You can get X850XT-PE's on ebay right now for dirt cheap. I say get one unless you don't plan on upgrading for another 12 months. If that's the case, hold off for the chips to fall in September/November. Gotta love pre-holiday price wars.

So, why did you get banned?

 

[Drayvn]

From what ive heard from Gibbo at OcUK is that they will be having the R520s in for preorder 'soonish' and availability of them a few weeks after.

So it looks like from what he said that it might be a paper launch but we dont have to wait 4 months, instead itll be a few weeks.

 

[Steelski]

not long to go now

 

[XPG Greg]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: XPG Greg
I believe the question was what should he get, not what cards did better than the others previous generations. I remember when Nisan trucks were crap. Right now the Nissan Titan is the worlds #1 demanded truck. A few years ago Chrysler couldn't make a car that held its value at all. Now they are the highest rated company for resale value on new vehicles.

ATI and Nvidia have always been competitive in some nature, otherwise one would have failed. They're each competing for a fanbase at the very least. Targeted toward the same people. That's competition, so to say that ATI hasn't been competitive is 'ignorarrogance' as I like to call it. It's obvious Rollo is an Nvidia fanboy, so you're not going to get a subjective opinion from him. He's obviously not in the industry either because he keeps referencing ATI purchasing the chip that held them "up top", but he failed to mention there cooperation on the design of said chip.

You can get X850XT-PE's on ebay right now for dirt cheap. I say get one unless you don't plan on upgrading for another 12 months. If that's the case, hold off for the chips to fall in September/November. Gotta love pre-holiday price wars.

So, why did you get banned?

I'm not banned.... If you're presuming I'm an old member who's created a new account, you presume wrong. The simple (and embarrasing) truth is that I didn't even know anandtech had forums until a couple days ago.