W00t Cat 5.6 Out :D

[Ackmed]

While I didnt believe it would be the percentage that was said, across the board. I do think under the right circumstances, it can be. Which is where you have to look thru the PR. They show the drivers under the perfect light, and take those numbers. I dont agree with this process, but sadly thats the way buisness is run.

Most of the time, these speed increases come to lower end (older) cards, and with only 64&128 ram. The slides from ATi show the X700 getting the big boost. Nothing I have seen yet backs up that claim though.

A "review" of these drivers needs to be done, with multiple cards, multiple games, and multiple resolutions and settings. Like what Firingsquad used to do. They did use 4 cards in their review with them, but all with AA/AF. Their results show next to nothing gained except in HL2 and Doom3. Even then it wasnt a large FPS gain, but a half-way decent percentage gain. And I havent seen anyone use Riddick, the game that was supposed to get the biggest boost.

I am glad to hear about the new features in the drivers though. Especiall with the 5.8's, and the HDTV options. Looking forward to trying those out, unless I have a G70 by then.

 

[BFG10K]

It's a shame the claimed performance gain never made it.

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: rgreen83

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: rgreen83

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
shame anand just found out theres negligable performance increase

No one should be surprised that that's the case.

Wow, you're insatiable arent you? Why dont you just spend the time you spend spewing your fanboism on here doing something constructive, and then take the money to payroll your quest to prove that nvidia is the greatest company in the world! And if you said something as simpleton as this in an nvidia thread, I would be of the same opinion. You own a Mac dont you?

Kneejerk reaction much?

If Nvidia claimed 10-20% performance increase with a new driver, I'd laugh at them too. Performance increases that large simply do not come from a single driver release. About the best you can look for is 10%, and 5% is still considered large.

And no thank you, I do not own a Mac, seeing as they are next to pointless and overpriced. Athlon 64 based PC here.

Wow, if you fly off the handle for someone noting what should be common knowledge to tech-heads, you really won't last long here on the ol' intertron.

Actually not a kneejerk reaction, Ive read plenty of your other posts. Its nothing personal against you, I just cant stand closed mindedness in general. And actually I have seen 20% increases from drivers from nvidia and ATI both (yes I have and do own both), in certain games. And just because theinq claimed 20 increases across the board doesnt mean that ATI claimed that, they only claimed it in certain games, and even claimed 50% in lock-on.

Jesus Christ what babbling.

Firstly, I didn't make any comments about ATi's claims except to make note to poke them in the eye on what was in their driver release notes. Secondly, what's close minded about thinking a given claim from either company is ludicrous? Thirdly, I don't care about "certain games". If a driver release delivers a performance increase across the board, then it's good optimization. If it delivers performance only in certain games, it's debugging.


And you're against close mindedness, yet you make it a point to imply that Macs are owned only by so-called "fanboys" and "simpletons"?

Hypocrite much?

Originally posted by: ZimZum

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: rgreen83

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
shame anand just found out theres negligable performance increase

No one should be surprised that that's the case.

Wow, you're insatiable arent you? Why dont you just spend the time you spend spewing your fanboism on here doing something constructive, and then take the money to payroll your quest to prove that nvidia is the greatest company in the world! And if you said something as simpleton as this in an nvidia thread, I would be of the same opinion. You own a Mac dont you?

Kneejerk reaction much?

If Nvidia claimed 10-20% performance increase with a new driver, I'd laugh at them too. Performance increases that large simply do not come from a single driver release. About the best you can look for is 10%, and 5% is still considered large.

Those claims werent maid by ATI, they were made by the INQ.

And what exactly is outlandish about the fact that no one should be surprised that those claims are not true?

Claims of "10-20%", regardless of source, are just laughable. The Inq made some, ATi made some for the infamous "certain games" in their driver release notes. It doesn't matter who said what. It was a BS claim to begin with, and I'm surprised anyone out there was gullible enough to get their hopes up.

 

[apoppin]

the ONLY claim of ~20% was in reference to Doom3
and as it turns out, it's right - for LOW resolutions

the Claims of "10-20%" are from THIS forum.
:roll:

their BIG claim: "Lock on: Modern Air combat where you will be able to see an incredible fifty per cent performance increase" - was evidently right
:Q

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: apoppin
the Claims of "10-20%" are from THIS forum.
:roll:

Originally posted by: ATi
Chronicles of Riddick: A performance gain of up to 10% is noticed as a result of more efficient storage of vertex data
Halo: A performance gain of up to 20% is noticed as a result of generic driver Z-optimizations

Originally posted by: The Inq
Once you install this new driver you should see around ten per cent plus performance increase in 3Dmark05, Aquamark 3 and Halo and Tomb Raider: AOD games and benchmarks. ATI did this by using some Z optimisations, removing unseen pixels before running through the pixel shaders. I guess that this is an allowed method and Halo might be running even fifteen per cent faster.

The Chronicles of Riddick will work up to fifteen per cent faster than with the old Catalyst 5.5 drivers and ATI did more efficient storage of vertex data and gained some performance that way too.

Doom 3 will work almost twenty per cent faster than with Catalyst 5.5 as ATI made more efficient use of memory.

Even games such as Call of Duty will benefit from this new driver as the driver team managed to increase the game efficiency resulting in close to ten per cent faster performance.

?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: apoppin
the Claims of "10-20%" are from THIS forum.
:roll:

?

Originally posted by: jeffrey
As with most Catalyst? releases, performance has increased in various situations. The following performance gains are noticed with Catalyst? Software Suite 5.6.

Doom3: A performance gain of up to 7% is noticed at lower resolutions as a result of more efficient memory use
Chronicles of Riddick: A performance gain of up to 10% is noticed as a result of more efficient storage of vertex data
Halo: A performance gain of up to 20% is noticed as a result of generic driver Z-optimizations
3DMark05: A performance gain of up to 5% is noticed as a result of generic driver Z-optimizations


Link

edited

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: apoppin
the Claims of "10-20%" are from THIS forum.
:roll:

Originally post by: ATi
Chronicles of Riddick: A performance gain of up to 10% is noticed as a result of more efficient storage of vertex data
Halo: A performance gain of up to 20% is noticed as a result of generic driver Z-optimizations

Originally posted by: jeffrey
As with most Catalyst? releases, performance has increased in various situations. The following performance gains are noticed with Catalyst? Software Suite 5.6.

Doom3: A performance gain of up to 7% is noticed at lower resolutions as a result of more efficient memory use
Chronicles of Riddick: A performance gain of up to 10% is noticed as a result of more efficient storage of vertex data
Halo: A performance gain of up to 20% is noticed as a result of generic driver Z-optimizations
3DMark05: A performance gain of up to 5% is noticed as a result of generic driver Z-optimizations


Link

SO?



?

Please clarify how claims of 10-20% are from "this forum" when ATi and the Inq both clearly did it?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: apoppin
the Claims of "10-20%" are from THIS forum.
:roll:

Originally post by: ATi
Chronicles of Riddick: A performance gain of up to 10% is noticed as a result of more efficient storage of vertex data
Halo: A performance gain of up to 20% is noticed as a result of generic driver Z-optimizations

Originally posted by: jeffrey
As with most Catalyst? releases, performance has increased in various situations. The following performance gains are noticed with Catalyst? Software Suite 5.6.

Doom3: A performance gain of up to 7% is noticed at lower resolutions as a result of more efficient memory use
Chronicles of Riddick: A performance gain of up to 10% is noticed as a result of more efficient storage of vertex data
Halo: A performance gain of up to 20% is noticed as a result of generic driver Z-optimizations
3DMark05: A performance gain of up to 5% is noticed as a result of generic driver Z-optimizations


Link

SO?



?

Please clarify how claims of 10-20% are from "this forum" when ATi and the Inq both clearly did it?

please clarify that they did NOT meet their target?

As with most Catalyst? releases, performance has increased in various situations. The following performance gains are noticed with Catalyst? Software Suite 5.6.

Doom3: A performance gain of up to 7% is noticed at lower resolutions as a result of more efficient memory use
Chronicles of Riddick: A performance gain of up to 10% is noticed as a result of more efficient storage of vertex data
Halo: A performance gain of up to 20% is noticed as a result of generic driver Z-optimizations
3DMark05: A performance gain of up to 5% is noticed as a result of generic driver Z-optimizations


Link

only d3 missed it

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: apoppin
the Claims of "10-20%" are from THIS forum.
:roll:

Originally post by: ATi
Chronicles of Riddick: A performance gain of up to 10% is noticed as a result of more efficient storage of vertex data
Halo: A performance gain of up to 20% is noticed as a result of generic driver Z-optimizations

Originally posted by: jeffrey
As with most Catalyst? releases, performance has increased in various situations. The following performance gains are noticed with Catalyst? Software Suite 5.6.

Doom3: A performance gain of up to 7% is noticed at lower resolutions as a result of more efficient memory use
Chronicles of Riddick: A performance gain of up to 10% is noticed as a result of more efficient storage of vertex data
Halo: A performance gain of up to 20% is noticed as a result of generic driver Z-optimizations
3DMark05: A performance gain of up to 5% is noticed as a result of generic driver Z-optimizations


Link

SO?



?

Please clarify how claims of 10-20% are from "this forum" when ATi and the Inq both clearly did it?

please clarify that they did NOT meet their target?

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2441&p=2


Anandtech found almost no change.

Granted, Doom 3 is the only game ATi talked about a performance increase in, but they obviously didn't hit that. If I were picky, I could call that missing their target.

Since I am not so picky, I will say that it's possible they made their goals in the other games, but no one has independently verified them yet.

If I were picky, I would note that it's IMPOSSIBLE to miss a target of "up to 20%" because 0% is included in that category.

Originally posted by: apoppin
As with most Catalyst? releases, performance has increased in various situations. The following performance gains are noticed with Catalyst? Software Suite 5.6.

Doom3: A performance gain of up to 7% is noticed at lower resolutions as a result of more efficient memory use
Chronicles of Riddick: A performance gain of up to 10% is noticed as a result of more efficient storage of vertex data
Halo: A performance gain of up to 20% is noticed as a result of generic driver Z-optimizations
3DMark05: A performance gain of up to 5% is noticed as a result of generic driver Z-optimizations


Link
only d3 missed it

I don't care what ATi says, I'm not buying it, just like I don't care what Nvidia says. If Anandtech/HardOCP/Xbit/FiringSquad/etc verify it, then we're talking. Until then, numbers are as good as speculation when they come from the marketing department.

 

[apoppin]

then you won't care for my reply either . . . please ignore it . . . i'm posting it for others.

ATI made some claims (thru the Inq) . . . . as usual they were under "ideal" situations and at very specific resolutions.

They DID meet these somewhat non-realworld claims - except for D3 - and i suspect they are 'holding back' for the G70 release.

that's all, folks

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: apoppin
then you won't care for my reply either . . . please ignore it . . . i'm posting it for others.

ATI made some claims (thru the Inq) . . . . as usual they were under "ideal" situations and at very specific resolutions.

They DID meet these somewhat non-realworld claims - except for D3 - and i suspect they are 'holding back' for the G70 release.

that's all, folks

I'll just say that this is arguable, and we can leave it at that.

 

[dug777]

bump with a few more comments/any one else got some benchies?
the only significant improvement i saw was 3dmark05, where i gained about 300 marks.

 

[apoppin]

Was that ~ the 'promised' [up to] +5%?

From what to what?

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Was that ~ the 'promised' [up to] +5%?

From what to what?

from 2000 tops (on a good day, when i stopped msn, antivir etc) to 2300 with all those running

 

[apoppin]

that's waay better than +10%

damn . . . now i gotta try it
[i HATE d/l'ing over dialup but i just wanna beat 3K with my 9800xt . . . WHY? . . . . no idea]
:roll:

maybe then i can sell it


it should . . . it's like 2950 now :Q

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: apoppin
that's waay better than +10%

damn . . . now i gotta try it
[i HATE d/l'ing over dialup but i just wanna beat 3K with my 9800xt . . . WHY? . . . . no idea]
:roll:

maybe then i can sell it


it should . . . it's like 2950 now :Q

:thumbsup: good luck!

thats a very nice my generation rig you have there

Mine is a budget machine in comparison, 2000+tbred-b o'c to 2.1ghz, 1 gb hynix cheapo RAM and a nasty A7V8X Via KT400 based mobo, all running of a 380w noname psu with 8A of the 12v rail My 9800 pro is my only quality component :heart:

But it plays everything i want as well as i could wish being limited by my dual 17' CRTs 1280 top res so until i get new monitors there's no point in upgrading.

 

[apoppin]

thank-you!

but that what i say about mine - no point in upgrading . . . even though i am starting to feel "left behind" at only 3.31Ghz compared to the 3.8Ghz P4s and especially the A64s.

However, since i am 'stuck' at 11x8 Max @ 85hz for my 19" CRT - really there is NO point in upgrading except for my last AGP card - a 6800u if the prices drop this Fall - to play Unreal 3 games.

After that, it's a Next Gen console till PC gaming 'catches up' [probably in '07/'08]
:thumbsup:

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: apoppin
thank-you!

but that what i say about mine - no point in upgrading . . . even though i am starting to feel "left behind" at only 3.31Ghz compared to the 3.8Ghz P4s and especially the A64s.

However, since i am 'stuck' at 11x8 Max @ 85hz for my 19" CRT - really there is NO point in upgrading except for my last AGP card - a 6800u if the prices drop this Fall - to play Unreal 3 games.

After that, it's a Next Gen console till PC gaming 'catches up' [probably in '07/'08]
:thumbsup:

did u get over 3000?

 

[AdamMT1618]

ATI AIW x800 XT

Catylist 5.5 drivers:

3DMark05 Score 5665 3DMarks
CPU Score 4528 CPUMarks

Catylist 5.6 drivers:

3DMark05 Score 5807 3DMarks
CPU Score 4263 CPUMarks

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: AdamMT1618
ATI AIW x800 XT

Catylist 5.5 drivers:

3DMark05 Score 5665 3DMarks
CPU Score 4528 CPUMarks

Catylist 5.6 drivers:

3DMark05 Score 5807 3DMarks
CPU Score 4263 CPUMarks

:beer: glad to see someone else getting a boost in 05 with the new Cats, can u try d3/farcry/hl2?

 

[Ackmed]

Pretty good review here; http://www.rage3d.com/previews/software/aticcc2/?p=4


Riddick got a good boost, especially at 1024x768. Doom3 got only a 1-2fps boost. DoD about the same. Halo got a rather large boost as well.

 

[Elcs]

Star Wars Republic Commando seems to have slightly better IQ with the 5.6's over 5.5's and previous. Very slight maybe ~1-2 fps improvement I feel.

Buggy though. Shadows are really messed up. I dont particularly mind on my 4th run through but it isnt great.

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Pretty good review here; http://www.rage3d.com/previews/software/aticcc2/?p=4


Riddick got a good boost, especially at 1024x768. Doom3 got only a 1-2fps boost. DoD about the same. Halo got a rather large boost as well.

Certainly makes things look better for ATi, esp. regarding Riddick and Halo.

The only problem is, it's Rage3d....

 

[yodster101]

Hi everyone. Here's some benchs I ran. Everything higher than standard 1024x768 rez.
Doom3(1600x1200-high quality) - 60.9 fps
Doom3(1600x1200-high quality-2xAA-8xAF) - 52.2 fps

UT2004(1600x1200-max detail-4xAA-8xAF)- FLYBY-201 fps, BOT-109 fps

Farcry(1600x1200-Ultra quality-4xAA-8xAF)- 52.2 fps

My 3DMark05 also went up, from 6062 to 6211. Finally some drivers that do something.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: yodster101
Hi everyone. Here's some benchs I ran. Everything higher than standard 1024x768 rez.
Doom3(1600x1200-high quality) - 60.9 fps
Doom3(1600x1200-high quality-2xAA-8xAF) - 52.2 fps

UT2004(1600x1200-max detail-4xAA-8xAF)- FLYBY-201 fps, BOT-109 fps

Farcry(1600x1200-Ultra quality-4xAA-8xAF)- 52.2 fps

My 3DMark05 also went up, from 6062 to 6211. Finally some drivers that do something.

What were they before....?