W00t Cat 5.6 Out :D

[dug777]

Kewl.

d/ling as we speak

Solved those issues, not sure how but in between cursing and restarting several times they decided to install, d3 is about to run as soon as i post this and restart

EDIT: Results (2nd monitor enabled for all of these)

d3 (1024 High) went from an average of 38.3fps on the 2nd and 3rd runs with the 5.5s, to an average of 38.5fps with the 5.6s. (my ultra score was 37.45 fps average of 2nd and 3rd runs with the 5.6s)

I did see an almost 300 point increase in my 3dmark05 from about 2000 best before with my 5.5's to 2288 which was nice i guess

Most of my games (farcry/hl2 being the most important) feel a bit smoother when i push the AA at 1024 under the new Cats, but i'm in the middle of studying for uni exams so i don't have time to bench them all atm )

Not the magic bullet we were hoping for, but a small improvement is better than none i guess

 

[otispunkmeyer]

shame anand just found out theres negligable performance increase

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
shame anand just found out theres negligable performance increase

I poested a query to Derek on the comments thread. As it looks, he only tried in 1600x1200. There could potential, or not, gains at lower res.

 

[rgreen83]

Other sites saw performance increases, nowhere near what theinq was claiming, but there were increases. Mostly all that changed was the adding of some generic Z-optimizations.

 

[dug777]

I'll do a back to back comparison in d3 at 1024 High on my 9800 pro and get back to ya

 

[Elcs]

Originally posted by: dug777
I'll do a back to back comparison in d3 at 1024 High on my 9800 pro and get back to ya

Now thats a comparison I like. Testing out the older generation cards as well as the new

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
shame anand just found out theres negligable performance increase

No one should be surprised that that's the case.

 

[rgreen83]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
shame anand just found out theres negligable performance increase

No one should be surprised that that's the case.

Wow, you're insatiable arent you? Why dont you just spend the time you spend spewing your fanboism on here doing something constructive, and then take the money to payroll your quest to prove that nvidia is the greatest company in the world! And if you said something as simpleton as this in an nvidia thread, I would be of the same opinion. You own a Mac dont you?

 

[bjc112]

will get them soon..

 

[dug777]

bah, i can't even install them :|

d/l them twice, even reinstalled .NET and it gets most of the way through, then tells me the display driver is not compatible with my display adapter/s wtfbbq?

i'll try d/ling the ones without CCC :|

i've never had this issue before

 

[dug777]

 

[JonnyBlaze]

do the newer drivers even do anything for older cards? ill try them on my 9800pro when i get home. i hope i can still get them to install under win2k3

 

[jeffrey]

As with most Catalyst? releases, performance has increased in various situations. The following performance gains are noticed with Catalyst? Software Suite 5.6.

Doom3: A performance gain of up to 7% is noticed at lower resolutions as a result of more efficient memory use
Chronicles of Riddick: A performance gain of up to 10% is noticed as a result of more efficient storage of vertex data
Halo: A performance gain of up to 20% is noticed as a result of generic driver Z-optimizations
3DMark05: A performance gain of up to 5% is noticed as a result of generic driver Z-optimizations


Link

 

[rgreen83]

They installed fine here dug, so something is wrong. Have you tried driver cleaner? Did you uninstall first or install over the top? What driver were you using before?

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: rgreen83

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
shame anand just found out theres negligable performance increase

No one should be surprised that that's the case.

Wow, you're insatiable arent you? Why dont you just spend the time you spend spewing your fanboism on here doing something constructive, and then take the money to payroll your quest to prove that nvidia is the greatest company in the world! And if you said something as simpleton as this in an nvidia thread, I would be of the same opinion. You own a Mac dont you?

Kneejerk reaction much?

If Nvidia claimed 10-20% performance increase with a new driver, I'd laugh at them too. Performance increases that large simply do not come from a single driver release. About the best you can look for is 10%, and 5% is still considered large.

And no thank you, I do not own a Mac, seeing as they are next to pointless and overpriced. Athlon 64 based PC here.

Wow, if you fly off the handle for someone noting what should be common knowledge to tech-heads, you really won't last long here on the ol' intertron.

Originally posted by: jeffrey
As with most Catalyst? releases, performance has increased in various situations. The following performance gains are noticed with Catalyst? Software Suite 5.6.

Doom3: A performance gain of up to 7% is noticed at lower resolutions as a result of more efficient memory use
Chronicles of Riddick: A performance gain of up to 10% is noticed as a result of more efficient storage of vertex data
Halo: A performance gain of up to 20% is noticed as a result of generic driver Z-optimizations
3DMark05: A performance gain of up to 5% is noticed as a result of generic driver Z-optimizations


Link

Yeah, manufacturers never cuddle the numbers to make their products look better than they really are, do they?

NV30 had 8 pipes.

Notice those release notes say "up to"....well, 0% is "up to" 20%

 

[Research]

I'M QUITE CONFUSED:

These latest drivers say:
The ATI WDM Driver Install Bundle contains both the ATI WDM Driver 5.03 (6312) and 4.07 (6246). The setup program automatically detects the ATI All-in-Wonder® or ATI VIVO? product installed in your system and installs the appropriate ATI WDM components.

The WDM version 5.03 (6312) is installed on:
· All-in-Wonder® 9600 Series
· All-in-Wonder® 9800 Series
· All-in-Wonder® 9700 Series
· All-in-Wonder® X600 Series
· All-in-Wonder® X800 Series

The WDM version 4.07 (6246) is installed on:
· Radeon® 9200 series or earlier All-in-Wonder® products.
· ATI VIVO? products

However, the ATI Multimedia Center 9.08 download says:

For ALL-IN-WONDER Series:
NOTE: Supported on ALL-IN-WONDER 9000 Series and newer. For older ALL-IN-WONDER products, please use MMC 9.02.

Now if I have an older card ATI AIW Radeon 32MB PCI, showuld I get the latest Catalyst and DAO / MDAC, Remote Wonder ... but the older MMC? I tried the Older MMC and it does not even install ...

Any suggestion?

 

[dug777]

Updated with some results for ya

 

[rgreen83]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: rgreen83

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
shame anand just found out theres negligable performance increase

No one should be surprised that that's the case.

Wow, you're insatiable arent you? Why dont you just spend the time you spend spewing your fanboism on here doing something constructive, and then take the money to payroll your quest to prove that nvidia is the greatest company in the world! And if you said something as simpleton as this in an nvidia thread, I would be of the same opinion. You own a Mac dont you?

Kneejerk reaction much?

If Nvidia claimed 10-20% performance increase with a new driver, I'd laugh at them too. Performance increases that large simply do not come from a single driver release. About the best you can look for is 10%, and 5% is still considered large.

And no thank you, I do not own a Mac, seeing as they are next to pointless and overpriced. Athlon 64 based PC here.

Wow, if you fly off the handle for someone noting what should be common knowledge to tech-heads, you really won't last long here on the ol' intertron.

Actually not a kneejerk reaction, Ive read plenty of your other posts. Its nothing personal against you, I just cant stand closed mindedness in general. And actually I have seen 20% increases from drivers from nvidia and ATI both (yes I have and do own both), in certain games. And just because theinq claimed 20 increases across the board doesnt mean that ATI claimed that, they only claimed it in certain games, and even claimed 50% in lock-on.

 

[rgreen83]

Originally posted by: Research
I'M QUITE CONFUSED:

These latest drivers say:
The ATI WDM Driver Install Bundle contains both the ATI WDM Driver 5.03 (6312) and 4.07 (6246). The setup program automatically detects the ATI All-in-Wonder® or ATI VIVO? product installed in your system and installs the appropriate ATI WDM components.

The WDM version 5.03 (6312) is installed on:
· All-in-Wonder® 9600 Series
· All-in-Wonder® 9800 Series
· All-in-Wonder® 9700 Series
· All-in-Wonder® X600 Series
· All-in-Wonder® X800 Series

The WDM version 4.07 (6246) is installed on:
· Radeon® 9200 series or earlier All-in-Wonder® products.
· ATI VIVO? products

However, the ATI Multimedia Center 9.08 download says:

For ALL-IN-WONDER Series:
NOTE: Supported on ALL-IN-WONDER 9000 Series and newer. For older ALL-IN-WONDER products, please use MMC 9.02.

Now if I have an older card ATI AIW Radeon 32MB PCI, showuld I get the latest Catalyst and DAO / MDAC, Remote Wonder ... but the older MMC? I tried the Older MMC and it does not even install ...

Any suggestion?

what version are you using now?

 

[rgreen83]

dug can you try ultra?

 

[Noid]

Sounds like the 4.12's still rule.

I'm not going to bother testing these either.

Cuz, a 200 point increase in 3dM05 doesnt make up for the 400+ lost on all the releases after 4.12.

 

[ZimZum]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: rgreen83

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
shame anand just found out theres negligable performance increase

No one should be surprised that that's the case.

Wow, you're insatiable arent you? Why dont you just spend the time you spend spewing your fanboism on here doing something constructive, and then take the money to payroll your quest to prove that nvidia is the greatest company in the world! And if you said something as simpleton as this in an nvidia thread, I would be of the same opinion. You own a Mac dont you?

Kneejerk reaction much?

If Nvidia claimed 10-20% performance increase with a new driver, I'd laugh at them too. Performance increases that large simply do not come from a single driver release. About the best you can look for is 10%, and 5% is still considered large.

Those claims werent maid by ATI, they were made by the INQ.

 

[Research]

Catalyst 5.5 with MMC 9.08 .. + Lots of problems like occasional blue and black screens ..

Originally posted by: rgreen83
what version are you using now?

 

[ddogg]

well i knew that article was a load of BS.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ZimZum

Originally posted by: Insomniak


Kneejerk reaction much?

If Nvidia claimed 10-20% performance increase with a new driver, I'd laugh at them too. Performance increases that large simply do not come from a single driver release. About the best you can look for is 10%, and 5% is still considered large.

Those claims werent maid by ATI, they were made by the INQ.

Actually those claims weren't made by the Inq either
:roll:

from my "prediction post":

Originally posted by: apoppin

What did the article say?:

you should see around ten per cent plus performance increase in 3Dmark05, Aquamark 3 and Halo and Tomb Raider: AOD games and benchmarks. ATI did this by using some Z optimisations, removing unseen pixels before running through the pixel shaders. I guess that this is an allowed method and Halo might be running even fifteen per cent faster.

~10-[maybe]15% is NOT unreasonable . . . i already saw +10 from the 4x Cats to the 5x Cats in 3DMark05 . . . another 10% just means ATI learned how to optimize better.

TR:AoD is buggy crap anyway . . . looks like some 'room to improve' with Aquamark and probably Halo also.

The Chronicles of Riddick will work up to fifteen per cent faster than with the old Catalyst 5.5 drivers and ATI did more efficient storage of vertex data and gained some performance that way too.

UP to +15% . . .i think there is a LOT of room for improvement with the Starbreeze Engine - for nVidia especially with the 2.0++ SM.

Doom 3 will work almost twenty per cent faster than with Catalyst 5.5 as ATI made more efficient use of memory.

Who knows? , , , ATI promised some OGl improvement - their current drivers ARE crap.

Even games such as Call of Duty will benefit from this new driver as the driver team managed to increase the game efficiency resulting in close to ten per cent faster performance

Wasn't CoD considered buggy? And we're LESS than +10%

The game that will benefit the most is Lock on: Modern Air combat where you will be able to see an incredible fifty per cent performance increase just by installing a new 5.6 Catalyst driver.

Not so incredible IF the current drivers are buggy or "ATI catalyst AI enables texture compression of the clouds resulting with no visual impact and massive performance impact at the same time."

Generally ~10% EXCEPT with Doom3's OGl [+20% add ati has definitely been LACKING here compared to nVidia - about time!]

So what's the BIG deal about the article? ATI always exaggerates 10% is minor but nice if true . . . . i'd be glad for +5% across the board.
:roll:

it wasn't that far off either in the date or the prediction . . . it got EXAGGERATED right here
:roll: