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rudeguy

rudeguy

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He is treating them the way he wants to be treated. Not complaining about Clinton *coughObamacough* or complaining about Obama *coughClintoncough*

He also passes on commenting on President Obama, saying he wants to treat his successor the way, "I'd like to have been treated."

"I don't think it's good for a former president to be out there opining on every darned issue," Bush told Winfrey. "He's got a plenty tough job. Trust me. And there's gonna be plenty of critics and he doesn't need me criticizing him."
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Say what you want about him but he is being much more mature than either of the Democrats that came before or after him.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/05/bush.book/index.html?hpt=T2
 
JEDIYoda

JEDIYoda

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rudeguy said:
He is treating them the way he wants to be treated. Not complaining about Clinton *coughObamacough* or complaining about Obama *coughClintoncough*


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He also passes on commenting on President Obama, saying he wants to treat his successor the way, "I'd like to have been treated."

"I don't think it's good for a former president to be out there opining on every darned issue," Bush told Winfrey. "He's got a plenty tough job. Trust me. And there's gonna be plenty of critics and he doesn't need me criticizing him."


Say what you want about him but he is being much more mature than either of the Democrats that came before or after him.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/...ex.html?hpt=T2
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rolf@rudeguy.....
Of course he is being mature......after all the adults took his sandbox and play ground away!!
He knows better than to screw up his parties agenda......

So what exactly is your point??
 
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nageov3t

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I don't remember GHWB talking shit about Reagan or Clinton talking shit about GHWB.
 
hal2kilo

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nageov3t

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seriously, the only exception to the "stfu once you're out of office" unspoken policy seems to be Dick Cheney.
 
Throckmorton

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rudeguy said:
He is treating them the way he wants to be treated. Not complaining about Clinton *coughObamacough* or complaining about Obama *coughClintoncough*



Say what you want about him but he is being much more mature than either of the Democrats that came before or after him.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/05/bush.book/index.html?hpt=T2
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He doesn't have to defend himself because people aren't blaming HIM for things Obama did.

Funny how Republicans seem to now be in favor of taking blame and letting someone else off the hook. So much for personal responsibility.
 
Lemon law

Lemon law

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Any members of the GWB administration would be well advised to shut up about the miserable record they have.

But in some ways Clinton and Obama have inherited opposite economies. In Clinton term one Clinton inherited an economy starting to recover from the massive debt Reagan piled up, when some of that economic progress was due to GHB. And then Clinton lost the mid-term elections of 1994 as the R's got control of the house for the first time in 62 years.

Obama came inheriting the totally crashed economy of GWB, and at best, stopped the bleeding rather than try the same GOP policies of Hoover, who won 25% unemployment instead. Obama and the dems still lost the house big in the mid-term election of 2010, but the dems still control the Senate and Presidency. With the new found GOP habit of filibustering everything in the Senate, it could be more accurately stated no one controls the Senate.

But now we are about the find out what the last half of the Obama presidency will look like. If the GOP insists on Hoover style economic policies, we may well see that 25% unemployment.

The other joker in the deck is that the rest of the world does not the GOP and their political and economic policies. And they are already warning the USA that GOP implied changes will not make them happy. And if some of the big loaner nations quit loaning the USA money, we could see 40% unemployment.
 
manimal

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hes also teaching us that verbally admitting to breaking the law in interviews and even expanding on that in his book does not get you arrested....

Guess laws are optional for presidents...
 
sandorski

sandorski

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Bush has no leg to stand on to criticize anyone. If this is Bush's Legacy, treating others as he would like to be treated, well he's thousands of years late to having any Value whatsoever.
 
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cubby1223

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Lemon law said:
The other joker in the deck is that the rest of the world does not the GOP and their political and economic policies. And they are already warning the USA that GOP implied changes will not make them happy. And if some of the big loaner nations quit loaning the USA money, we could see 40% unemployment.
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Ummm, one of the goals of the GOP is to not be indebted to China...

My personal opinion based on just my opinion, says that our government is quickly approaching insolvency, I don't think loaner nations will want to be loaning us much more regardless of what letter controls one-half of one branch of our federal government.
 
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bfdd

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Lemon law said:
Any members of the GWB administration would be well advised to shut up about the miserable record they have.

But in some ways Clinton and Obama have inherited opposite economies. In Clinton term one Clinton inherited an economy starting to recover from the massive debt Reagan piled up, when some of that economic progress was due to GHB. And then Clinton lost the mid-term elections of 1994 as the R's got control of the house for the first time in 62 years.

Obama came inheriting the totally crashed economy of GWB, and at best, stopped the bleeding rather than try the same GOP policies of Hoover, who won 25% unemployment instead. Obama and the dems still lost the house big in the mid-term election of 2010, but the dems still control the Senate and Presidency. With the new found GOP habit of filibustering everything in the Senate, it could be more accurately stated no one controls the Senate.

But now we are about the find out what the last half of the Obama presidency will look like. If the GOP insists on Hoover style economic policies, we may well see that 25% unemployment.

The other joker in the deck is that the rest of the world does not the GOP and their political and economic policies. And they are already warning the USA that GOP implied changes will not make them happy. And if some of the big loaner nations quit loaning the USA money, we could see 40% unemployment.
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HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH nice one
 
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Craig234

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loki8481 said:
I don't remember GHWB talking shit about Reagan or Clinton talking shit about GHWB.
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Why the heck would GHWB talk badly about Reagan, who was his ally and who was responsible for his becomg president - after the campaign, with "Voodoo economics"?

(And isn't it funny the last time a Republican who hasn't gone off the reservation told the truth to the American people was that comment by GHWB?)

What a great comment, when you look at how indeed the country has done far worse on ecoomic policy beginning with Reagan. The roots of our 'debt' approach, and for the rich.

Clinton's whole campaign was based on attacking GHWB on the economy. Obama has far more reason to point out the problems he inherited than msot Presidents.

You probably have to go back to FDR to find as strong a case for doing that.

Funny enough, George Bush had one of the least reasons - Clinton handed him peace and a surplus along with the recession, but Bush repeatedly used Clinton as an excuse.
 
Thump553

Thump553

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PottedMeat said:
I can't remember any presidents talking shit about one another. Even Nixon.
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Carter has not been exactly circumspect-and I feel at times his speaking out has detracted from an exemplary post-presidential life.

I applaud GWB on this stance and totally agree with his reasoning. Cheney doesn't, off course, as he was one of the greatest offenders.

Nixon would be a good role model for GWB to follow in his post-presidency period.
 
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Craig234

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PottedMeat said:
I can't remember any presidents talking shit about one another. Even Nixon.
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I think it was usually done less in the past than it is today, in a different political culture.

Of course, in the past there wasn't the same hyper-prpaganda industry, year-round political campaigns, politicians spending most of their time on fund raising, 24 hour news...

LBJ almost helped Nixon get elected - for some odd reason, he didn't like his own VP, Humprey, much. But Nixon had plenty to say about 'the liberals'.

Remember his attack dog (and later disgraced) VP, 'Nattering Nabobs of Negativism'...
 
rudeguy

rudeguy

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Craig234 said:
Funny enough, George Bush had one of the least reasons - Clinton handed him peace and a surplus along with the recession, but Bush repeatedly used Clinton as an excuse.
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Clinton also handed him 9/11 which started the economic collapse.
 
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Craig234

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rudeguy said:
Clinton also handed him 9/11 which started the economic collapse.
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There's some truth to that, but Bush's poor handling of the Al Queda threat - basically being advised by Clinton's team how big it was and doing the opposite - is his fault.

And no, 9/11 did not 'start the economic collapse'. Something happening at the same time doesn't mean it caused the other thing.

What caused the collapse was the self-interested choices of the financial elites, with a lack of regulation by the government who had a 'do not regulate' mentality.

And we really can't ignore the voters who elected the wrong people, and rewarded the 'debt policies', for a good part of blame. Nor the right-wing machine manipulating them.
 
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nageov3t

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Craig234 said:
Why the heck would GHWB talk badly about Reagan, who was his ally and who was responsible for his becomg president - after the campaign, with "Voodoo economics"?
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what about Reagan and Carter? or Carter and Ford?

I think it's a pretty admirable policy for the ex-presidents to STFU about the guy currently holding the office. they're the only ones in the world who can truly understand what he's going through and the kind of pressure he's under.
 
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Craig234

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loki8481 said:
what about Reagan and Carter? or Carter and Ford?

I think it's a pretty admirable policy for the ex-presidents to STFU about the guy currently holding the office. they're the only ones in the world who can truly understand what he's going through and the kind of pressure he's under.
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What about them? Those are opposing parties, I was addressing the fact that GHWB and Reagan are not like that, they were President and VP together.

And how about the others? One thing I'll say - awfully convenient for the 'worst president ever' to champion the noble principle of his successor not talking about him.

I don't disagree entirely, but Carter didn't face a massive right-wing propaganda machine lying about things he had to correct, either, the way Obama does.

You may not have noticed that unlike any time in history, the American people are under assault by a propaganda machine not known before at least outside closed societies.

That can require the President to say more than he otherwise would in defense.
 
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Martin

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loki8481 said:
what about Reagan and Carter? or Carter and Ford?

I think it's a pretty admirable policy for the ex-presidents to STFU about the guy currently holding the office. they're the only ones in the world who can truly understand what he's going through and the kind of pressure he's under.
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Well, another way to look at it is that politicians look after their own first and foremost and the people second. There was some wishful thinking around Obama's election of investigating the Bush admin, but why would Obama do that? Looking after Bush ensures that he'll get looked after he's gone (should he do anything questionable). Ford pardoning Nixon is probably the best example of that.
 
PJABBER

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Bush is a class act. The Democrat attack machine that was unrelenting for almost the entirety of his years in office and continues unabated even now, not so much.
 
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