Originally posted by: xtknight
Actually, it's dug777 and me, in proper English. I believe. Regardless:Q :beer:
and I fool, I!!!!!
yeah everyone seems blind on these forums....first thing the fanboys see is a SM2s vs SM3 fire fight, or more appropraitely a NV vs ATI fire fight
McArra hasnt forgetten anything. and can be let off for any grammatical errors on the basis that english isnt his native tongue. (its spanish right?)
Will it still look the same while simulated in 2D? Will you be able to tell a difference if you say them in both versions? And is this the technology that will be used in Unreal 3?
dug777, Since when do i rant about nvidia all the time, sure i reply in the threads, im entitled to, i state IMO what i think is correct, i dont need you giving me sh1t, or others agreeing to your sh1t about the topic.
I was glad to go and look at that demo and so were others, anyone doesnt like dont read or reply, ignore it and dont download demo most of all.
I seriously doubt a PLAT member was bored so wanted to start a fight as it was put, in word to that affect, your the TROLL/FLAMMER in this thread.
Next time you do this im going to stick my COCK in your mouth till you choke.
I was glad to go and look at that demo and so were others, anyone doesnt like dont read or reply, ignore it and dont download demo most of all.
I seriously doubt a PLAT member was bored so wanted to start a fight as it was put, in word to that affect, your the TROLL/FLAMMER in this thread.
Next time you do this im going to stick my COCK in your mouth till you choke.
*ON TOPIC*
As the title says, this is about VS3.0, not PS3.0. Anything that can be done in PS3.0 can be done in PS2.0, albeit sometimes with another pass or two. However, there are a few things that VS3.0 adds that cannot be exactly replicated in PS2.0, like the demo posted here. Also, in SPC:CT, the parallax mapping is just a form of normal mapping, and could be very closely replicated using a PS2.0 part. So, in summary, if the developers added full functionality for both codepaths, then the image quality/features would be the same. Obviously I cannot prove this, but developers have said time and time again that anything that can be done (image quality wise) in PS/VS3.0 can be done in PS/VS2.0. I don't have a preference for ATi nor Nvidia, but rather; I buy the card with the best price/performance in a given generation. It's also quite evident that the OP did not intend to start a flamewar. He was merely providing some information that showed some of the cool things that VS3.0 can do. BTW, I own a 9800Pro.
I hope this quells some of the incredibly misguided flamewars that have been going on lately.
As the title says, this is about VS3.0, not PS3.0. Anything that can be done in PS3.0 can be done in PS2.0, albeit sometimes with another pass or two. However, there are a few things that VS3.0 adds that cannot be exactly replicated in PS2.0, like the demo posted here. Also, in SPC:CT, the parallax mapping is just a form of normal mapping, and could be very closely replicated using a PS2.0 part. So, in summary, if the developers added full functionality for both codepaths, then the image quality/features would be the same. Obviously I cannot prove this, but developers have said time and time again that anything that can be done (image quality wise) in PS/VS3.0 can be done in PS/VS2.0. I don't have a preference for ATi nor Nvidia, but rather; I buy the card with the best price/performance in a given generation. It's also quite evident that the OP did not intend to start a flamewar. He was merely providing some information that showed some of the cool things that VS3.0 can do. BTW, I own a 9800Pro.
I hope this quells some of the incredibly misguided flamewars that have been going on lately.
Rock Hydra
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Originally posted by: dug777
i smell a troll
or perhaps;
P&N called, they want their troll back
He isn't trolling and it isn't a SM3.0 vs SM2.0 thread. He said ATI doesn't have 3.0. Plain and simple. He didn't say one or the other was better. He only offered a video.
People take things waaay out of context.I checked out that thread. The demo looks decent on my 9800P, but the pics of it on a GF6 look great.
So if you were to zoom at at horizontal eye level with the demo, would you see the actual bumps in the waves in SM 3.0?
Thats a nice demo, Best of luck in your thread! I dont recommend using the word fool or things might turn for the worst.
Originally posted by: apoppin
it DOES look nice in simulation.
Q:What the hell is wrong with this?
A: NOTHING!
And you guys missed the thread [yesterday] where lavaheadache called everyone that disagreed with him on SM3.0 being 'useful' - "idiots" - right in the topic's title.
:roll:
Video is to GH what P&N is to OT
:thumbsdown:
get a life, fanboys
me - i'm off to work - OUTside! Beautiful day.
Hey dipsh!t, I said anyone who recommends a geforce 6 series over an X series card for the reasons of sm 3.0 and hdr are idiots because the features appear to make game play undesireable. Im not intending to start a fight in this thread, I just want to clarify things.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: lavaheadache
Originally posted by: apoppin
it DOES look nice in simulation.
Q:What the hell is wrong with this?
A: NOTHING!
And you guys missed the thread [yesterday] where lavaheadache called everyone that disagreed with him on SM3.0 being 'useful' - "idiots" - right in the topic's title.
:roll:
Video is to GH what P&N is to OT
:thumbsdown:
get a life, fanboys
me - i'm off to work - OUTside! Beautiful day.
Hey dipsh!t, I said anyone who recommends a geforce 6 series over an X series card for the reasons of sm 3.0 and hdr are idiots because the features appear to make game play undesireable. Im not intending to start a fight in this thread, I just want to clarify things.
Clarify?!? . . . That you are a moron?
We already know.
:roll:
:thumbsdown:
EDIT: i am DONE talking to you.
If ANYone ELSE is interested in his flamebait "excuse" of a thread:
HDR, SM 3.0 and the other new gimmicks **Poll**/To all those idiots who recommend 6xxx series over X800 because of these features
This is the original UNedited title he later changed to:
and then changed again . . .
:thumbsdown:
He doesn't like being called exactly what he calls those who disagree with him.
:roll:
Yeah you should. The actual geometry of the scene is being modified so if you were swimming in the water you should actually see the waves.
So really SM 3.0 does improve IQ over SM 2.0? Wouldn't the objects (via Unreal 3) look more bumpy with the use or Parallax, Diplacement, and Normal Mapping in SM3.0, rather then just Normal Mapping in SM 2.0b?
One more point, You think my thread is flamebait? Read what I have to say closely. At no point do I say that sm 3.0 and HDR are bad just not ready to be used by a gamer looking forward to experience those things at top notch rate. If I were to tell you that getting I was getting a 30 fps average in a game, would you think that it was running smoothly? At those kind of rates game play is very C-H-O-P-P-Y. And the reason why nobody should use hdr and sm 3.0 as a basis to get cards in this generation of hardware. Get the card cause you like ati/nvidia or maybe you want a glimpse of those new features. I say glimpse because most people would probably not want to be stuck with hdr and the likes on.
apoppin
Lifer
Please take this OUT of the topic. Send me a PM if you wish to really rectify things.
Calling someone a 'donkey', 'a raging school girl' is not a good way to start . . . . but anyway - even if we don't fix this, i won't continue to "confront" you - i just won't answer any of your posts anymore . . . . otherwise it just disrupts forum harmony.
EDIT: Resolved! . . . thanks, lavaheadache
:thumbsup:
Gamingphreek
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Ok this is out of control here.
No where in the title does it have any Nvidia or ATI bias. It simply states a fact. In reality if you twist it to make it appear to have a bias or take offense by it, then you seem to be the one with a bias.
As for the on topic discussion:
Many of you are getting confused here. This is NOT a SM3 v SM2 thread. VS3.0 is merely a component of SM3. PS3.0 has absolutely nothing to do with this other than it also is part of the SM3.0 spec. Im running a 5900XT so it probably wont do too hot here. Would someone with VS3 mind taking a screen of it. I would like to see it.
-Kevin
No where in the title does it have any Nvidia or ATI bias. It simply states a fact. In reality if you twist it to make it appear to have a bias or take offense by it, then you seem to be the one with a bias.
As for the on topic discussion:
Many of you are getting confused here. This is NOT a SM3 v SM2 thread. VS3.0 is merely a component of SM3. PS3.0 has absolutely nothing to do with this other than it also is part of the SM3.0 spec. Im running a 5900XT so it probably wont do too hot here. Would someone with VS3 mind taking a screen of it. I would like to see it.
-Kevin
30fps is not choppy for every game. For example, Chaos Theory is a very slow paced game and gets >50fps in SM3.0 mode with HDR/Tone Mapping and Parallax Mapping enabled at 1024x768 on a 6800GT. Now you can argue that HDR disables AA or that you can't stand jaggies etc etc. But that is all subjective. For those willing to sacrifice AA for HDR and Parallax Mapping at least the choice is there. Chaos Theory, like Doom3 is also a dark game so there is less contrast and aliasing is not as pronounced. How you can argue that SM3.0 is useless when there is a shipping A-list title that makes great use of the features is beyond me - notwithstanding that HDR is not part of the SM3.0 standard but you get my drift
There are a couple screenshots around the web that show the difference between Normal Mapping in PS1.1 and displacement mapping in SM3.0 in Chaos Theory. Surfaces pretty much just look more 'bumpy' and realistic like you said. They really have more detail instead of just the illusion of detail given by normal maps.
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