[vrzone] GTX670Ti in March

[Keysplayr]

Just as I thought, won't even answer a simple question. :hmm: Unbelievable, and comical. Funny how you sure as heck seem to know the price AMD should be at, don't you. How come you can't do the same for Nvidia? Hilarious.

My answer is, NV should price it at $449 to start, if that goes well leave it. If they need a bit of a bump in demand, drop it to $429. $399 would be an amazing value for 7970 performance IMO. Now was that so hard? edit -- if Nvidia is supply constrained then price it at the same level as AMD. Anything else would be dumb.

He did answer. He said "I don't know".
I know that you know, that SirPauly is referring to the AMD price/performance war cry we've been hearing since HD3xxx series. Now he hears different. I can sympathize although I think the 7970 is priced where it should be at the moment. Top end card carries a top end price. It's always been that way with Nv cards. It's a little harder for AMD because they haven't had the top end for a long while short of NV being late with Fermi and AMD launching Tahiti before Kepler.

 

[AnandThenMan]

He did answer. He said "I don't know".

That's not an answer, it's a cop out. He knows, just won't say because it will blow up his entire argument. He certainly knows where AMD should be on the price ladder. It's just bad form, maybe even trolling, to come out so strongly with an opinion on one side of the issue, then chicken out and not even answer a simple question.

If someone asks me a question directly, I'll answer it, what's the big deal?

 

[SirPauly]

Everyone's OPINIONs on forums are irrelevant, mine, yours, the guy next to you.. it needs not relevance, just entertainment.

I hope it will be awesome sauce at $299.

Exactly, they're all irrelevant, and no doubt including mine. I don't know how nVidia will play the pricing game and what they decide goes. Just like AMD decided on their pricing -- it's their company and products. The HD 7970 is priced at a 549 MSRP -- it is what it is -- positives and some cons! No one knows how nVidia will price their sku's.

Not a fan of should of's and would of's!

 

[SirPauly]

That's not an answer, it's a cop out. He knows, just won't say because it will blow up his entire argument. He certainly knows where AMD should be on the price ladder. It's just bad form, maybe even trolling, to come out so strongly with an opinion on one side of the issue, then chicken out and not even answer a simple question.

If someone asks me a question directly, I'll answer it, what's the big deal?

No, I know where AMD is on the price ladder. There are plenty of logical reasons why they're there but there are also cons to consider like the points I raised. Over-all, when considering the positives and negatives, I do believe it is still a win-win for consumer and company, company receives more revenue and margins and consumer receives enthusiast choice and the fastest gaming GPU on the planet. How much fairer can one be? By using the positives and negatives to come to an over-all conclusion? Some just desire to talk the positives and end of story -- good luck with that.

I don't know where nVidia is because they're not on that 28nm ladder yet.

 

[omeds]

I think the whining would be less if the 7970 totally stomped last gen, however it is around 20-25% faster than the 580GTX and priced 20-25% higher than the 580GTX. That means we are playing prices based on last gen performance. I mean, look at the 7950. 460 bucks for a marginal increase over a 580gtx.

Back when single die GPU flagships were priced extremely high, they totally obliterated the competition. I'm not saying the 7970 is a bad card, not at all. I'm also not saying the 7970 isn't priced according to market value, supply/demand, blah blah, however the fire isn't there that the flagships used to ignite. I'm okay with an unobtainable card (for most people) as long as it is totally kick ass.

This gen didn't bring the excitement of previous gens, so the traditionally high pricing of the flagship isn't getting a free pass this time around.

+1, thats about the whole of it.

7970 is over priced, but I can understand why it is priced as such.

We haven't been getting massive increases in performance lately from either side have we? Last time it happened was? G80 maybe?

Most node changes.


Even though this 7970 pricing thread is interesting, anyone know where I can find the 670ti thread? kthnx

 

[railven]

Everyone's OPINIONs on forums are irrelevant, mine, yours, the guy next to you.. it needs not relevance, just entertainment.

I hope it will be awesome sauce at $299.

Agree on both counts! Now pass the chips!

 

[biostud]

Is this 79xx/GF104 launch similar to x1800xt/7800GTX launch, in regards to a new refresh just around the corner (within a couple of months)?

 

[badb0y]

Is this 79xx/GF104 launch similar to x1800xt/7800GTX launch, in regards to a new refresh just around the corner (within a couple of months)?

AMD is running on a roughly 12-15 month cycle so I wouldn't expect new cards out of AMD until Janurary. As for nVidia they dont really have a set pattern.

 

[BlockheadBrown]

Random non-contributing thought: Obsession with the upcoming GPUs have me lurking here more than game sites.

 

[biostud]

Random non-contributing thought: Obsession with the upcoming GPUs have me lurking here more than game sites.

Hardwaretitis is a common phenomenon around here. I'm also more interested in upgrading my PC than game......strange.

 

[SirPauly]

No doubt -- because GPU's and their features enhance the games.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Hardwaretitis is a common phenomenon around here. I'm also more interested in upgrading my PC than game......strange.

I'm more interested in Guild Wars 2 than upgrading my PC. On the other hand I want Guild Wars 2 to be a fresh game, so I don't want to know everything about it before I play it.

I do want to know everything about the available hardware components before I buy them, though.

 

[joseph0042]

I just want to know how much it will be! I wish they would release it for around $300, but that would cause the 580's to be less than that...and I can't see nvidia doing that.

 

[Nintendesert]

Man, reading these threads are better than soap operas.

 

[BlockheadBrown]

Man, reading these threads are better than soap operas.

AMD dumped their CTO!? How could they!? Nvidia said what!? Charlie didn't!

You're right. Appropriate apologies to said CTO, BTW.

 

[IAteYourMother]

No, I know where AMD is on the price ladder. There are plenty of logical reasons why they're there but there are also cons to consider like the points I raised. Over-all, when considering the positives and negatives, I do believe it is still a win-win for consumer and company, company receives more revenue and margins and consumer receives enthusiast choice and the fastest gaming GPU on the planet. How much fairer can one be? By using the positives and negatives to come to an over-all conclusion? Some just desire to talk the positives and end of story -- good luck with that.

I don't know where nVidia is because they're not on that 28nm ladder yet.

I don't get why you keep touting this "win-win" scenario, when clearly it's a bigger win for AMD to keep prices where they are at now. Prices are dynamic, AMD can always lower them at a later timepoint if need be. You treat profits as though it's a binary, all or nothing scenario, when in reality, maximizing profits is the name of the game.

 

[gramboh]

It is crazy how active VC&G has been, compared to the other forums, the past few months with the Tahiti launch and Kepler speculation. I probably spend as much time reading AT and [H] about hardware than I do actually gaming. Odd hobby indeed.

 

[nitromullet]

It is crazy how active VC&G has been, compared to the other forums, the past few months with the Tahiti launch and Kepler speculation. I probably spend as much time reading AT and [H] about hardware than I do actually gaming. Odd hobby indeed.

You should try water cooling... Than you can spend 50% of your time on forums, 25% working on your rig, 20% benchmarking, and 5% playing games!

 

[SirPauly]

I don't get why you keep touting this "win-win" scenario, when clearly it's a bigger win for AMD to keep prices where they are at now. Prices are dynamic, AMD can always lower them at a later timepoint if need be. You treat profits as though it's a binary, all or nothing scenario, when in reality, maximizing profits is the name of the game.

So offering win-win is not giving enough win credit to AMD? Personally apologize! I've mentioned many times the flexibility of pricing in other posts.

 

[thilanliyan]

You should try water cooling... Than you can spend 50% of your time on forums, 25% working on your rig, 20% benchmarking, and 5% playing games!

Lol that used to be me...then I remembered why I actually have a watercooled PC and a decent vid card...to PLAY GAMES!! So I've actually started tackling my Steam games list...which WAS a lot of buy and never play games.

It is a fun hobby though, especially the watercooling bit.

 

[SHAQ]

It looks roughly equivalent to a 950 core 768 shader 580. I don't see why people are complaining. It should be at least 40% faster than a vanilla 580. But I am looking to go to 1 card for my next upgrade so I will wait for the 680 since 1 of these would be a downgrade for me.

 

[Arzachel]

It looks roughly equivalent to a 950 core 768 shader 580. I don't see why people are complaining. It should be at least 40% faster than a vanilla 580. But I am looking to go to 1 card for my next upgrade so I will wait for the 680 since 1 of these would be a downgrade for me.

That's because both price and possible performance are quite suspect. If it is 40% faster they definitely wont undercut AMD. If it costs around 400$ expect around 7950 performance. Not to mention that fitting 1536 Fermi-esque shaders on such a small die would be quite a feat in itself, so don't expect 2 Kepler shaders to equal 1 Fermi shader.

 

[SHAQ]

I never expect Nvidia to undercut AMD. lol They are generally going to cost 10-15% more than a comparable AMD part.

 

[Grooveriding]

You should try water cooling... Than you can spend 50% of your time on forums, 25% working on your rig, 20% benchmarking, and 5% playing games!

Lol yes. I have spent two 7970s in $ playing with water cooling and cutting up my 800D this past month, so now I am waiting to buy two new GPUs after the wife fallout dies down.

It is those bloody compression fittings. They look so nice, but $20 a pop adds up. I am all set up now though. Just need two gpus, two blocks. But I think when I get my new cards I am going to tear my rig down again and line my case with this

 

[thilanliyan]

line my case with this

Aww come on...you better have stickers all over your case to complete the look!! A turbo badge would be the icing.